List Mgmt. 2024 Young Talent Time (Drafting)

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[go_the_dockers]

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Something to watch the next week.
Will be interesting to see where everyone goes.

 

[rgauci]

Why will it get worse next year? Are there going to be more academy players? Hopefully with the reduced points values, clubs will need to hang onto better picks to match bids with.

Because all the NGA’s are now allowed to be picked anywhere in the draft as opposed to just the northern academies.

 

[Joao]

Because all the NGA’s are now allowed to be picked anywhere in the draft as opposed to just the northern academies.

It will be worse for availability but should be much better for the value of picks.

Haven't crunched any numbers, but it could be a situation where a pick in the 20s doesn't move much even with 3-4 bids before it because of how many points are required to match. This is especially the case if top 5 players are bid on I suspect. In a draft with two top 5 bids and nothing else inside 20 could see picks in the late first and early second round come in.

 

[Ysaye]

So, thinking about our greatest list need (after small forward) in the context of our recent delistings, surely we are in the market for another tall forward at pick 30? But not just any tall forward, I’m thinking a hulking, stay-at-home, clunk everything type. Probably 198/199cm who is 90% forward 10% ruck.

There should be some really good options around pick 30 (Gerreyn from West Perth comes to mind that meets all of your requirements at around that pick) but it seems clear that we are sticking with Odin Jones who is also that kind of player, whilst also doing some balancing of the list.

 

[Vimal Anand]

So, thinking about our greatest list need (after small forward) in the context of our recent delistings, surely we are in the market for another tall forward at pick 30? But not just any tall forward, I’m thinking a hulking, stay-at-home, clunk everything type. Probably 198/199cm who is 90% forward 10% ruck.

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[rgauci]

It will be worse for availability but should be much better for the value of picks.

Haven't crunched any numbers, but it could be a situation where a pick in the 20s doesn't move much even with 3-4 bids before it because of how many points are required to match. This is especially the case if top 5 players are bid on I suspect. In a draft with two top 5 bids and nothing else inside 20 could see picks in the late first and early second round come in.

I agree with you, but a future 1st from Brisbane might end up pick 30. Future 1st from next year are less valuable.

 

[Dockeroo]

I don’t see the point in bringing in Gerryn if you are looking at list needs, at all.
Clearly they think Jones is worth another year so where would he even play the next couple of years? Peel reserves?

We need a decent half back flanker and a good quality small forward. Would be thrilled with that with the first 2 picks. A winger or outside mid would be fine too.

It will be worse for availability but should be much better for the value of picks.

Haven't crunched any numbers, but it could be a situation where a pick in the 20s doesn't move much even with 3-4 bids before it because of how many points are required to match. This is especially the case if top 5 players are bid on I suspect. In a draft with two top 5 bids and nothing else inside 20 could see picks in the late first and early second round come in.

I’ll wait till next years draft when we see this in action before passing full judgement but I’m not convinced these changes go anywhere close to far enough.

Inexplicably there is still a 10% points discount (why goddamn it, AFL, just why??). Also the points value scale ends at pick 54 instead of pick 70 from next year

I would have preferred no discount at all (especially for FS players) and pick 40 being the last pick with a points value attached.

You will know it’s working properly if

• teams are passing on matching bids because of the cost of the player available and the fact that he may not fill a list need.
• teams like Brisbane with pick 18 this year are giving up a meaningful assets to get a player like Levi Ashcroft in the door. For example, a scenario where they are forced to trade away the likes of Jarrod Berry or Starcevich for a mid first rounder to generate the trade capital to help match the bid on Ashcroft.

When we see examples such as the above happening, I’ll accept this bidding process is somewhat fair and equitable to all clubs.

 

[Spirit Level]

I've always been a Sturt fan as I'm sure you all know, but he actually surprised me by his contested marking last year.

Not something I thought he would offer, I thought he was mostly a lead-up type forward who can also crumb/kick goals on the run.

He's the true hybrid that can play both tall and small

 

[Superkoops]

I've always been a Sturt fan as I'm sure you all know, but he actually surprised me by his contested marking last year.

Not something I thought he would offer, I thought he was mostly a lead-up type forward who can also crumb/kick goals on the run.

He's the true hybrid that can play both tall and small

He had a nasty knee injury and underwent surgery in Dec. It didn’t surprise me he was a bit slow to get going. The same surgery I had took me a good 6months to be close to 100%.

A full pre-season for Sturt and I’d expect he can go to another level.

 

[Dockeroo]

I've always been a Sturt fan as I'm sure you all know, but he actually surprised me by his contested marking last year.

Not something I thought he would offer, I thought he was mostly a lead-up type forward who can also crumb/kick goals on the run.

He's the true hybrid that can play both tall and small

Might be a tad optimistic but I really think Sturts ceiling is the AA40 squad if he gets a decent run at it.

I thought his general play really came on in leaps and bounds this year.

He should kick over 40 goals if he plays 23 games in the regular season.

Its all about whether he can stay injury free and avoid any niggles

 

[Spirit Level]

So halfway between Breust and Gunston confirmed for Sturt

 

[go_the_dockers]

So halfway between Breust and Gunston confirmed for Sturt

If our midfield was dominant, and we had accurate kickers he can kick 40

 

[Dockernut]

Which one of Treacy, Amiss or Jackson would he be replacing in the team though?

Then we also have Sturt at 190cm as a 4th tall/hybrid


Voss is just about as good as you can get for a backup tall, not quite good enough to be best 22 elsewhere but good enough to fill a role with injury


Just reckon we are pretty well stocked in that area

When does a new draftee coming in from a second round pick ever replace an established key forward? Not what I was proposing. We’ve delisted at least three tall forwards I can think of. I think 30 could be a free swing at a KPF.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Id be happy with Gerryn at 30. Hes got some pretty exciting traits, its a lower pick and being from WA, he's easier to keep if stuck at Peel for 5+ years. Additionally, as a forward/ruck rather than pure KPF, there is an easier path into the side.

I think it's a big difference to picking one of the eastern states pure KPFs at 14

 

[Superkoops]

When does a new draftee coming in from a second round pick ever replace an established key forward? Not what I was proposing. We’ve delisted at least three tall forwards I can think of. I think 30 could be a free swing at a KPF.

There is also Odin Jones who projects more as a developing KPF.

With each of Tabs, Kuek and Corbett out the door then makes sense to add a medium to tall forward at the draft. We did add both Voss and Jones at the last draft so not a priority but an area of need for us. We are definitely well stacked for KPD after drafting each of Draper, Davies and Murphy over the past few years.

I would say priority 1 and 2 is quality small forward and speed on the outside (Wing/HBF). Then medium to tall forward and small to medium half back/pocket type.

For example Tom Berry at 17 and Harry Oliver at 28-32 (we may trade to try and move forward a little) ticks off two needs.

Alternatively Bo Allan (I see him starting as utility/backman) at 17 and Oliver Hannaford around pick 32 ticks off on two needs.

Our first two picks where ever they land will have some good options.

 

[theGav56]

I don’t see the point in bringing in Gerryn if you are looking at list needs, at all.
Clearly they think Jones is worth another year so where would he even play the next couple of years? Peel reserves?

We need a decent half back flanker and a good quality small forward. Would be thrilled with that with the first 2 picks. A winger or outside mid would be fine too.

I don't think our list situation is ideal for the position Gerreyn would address:

Taberner, Kuek both gone.

Reidy on a 1 year deal

Knobel delisted hoping to put him on the Rookie List, and now a career long FA. Not currently ready for WAFL let alone AFL.

Odin barely played a game so far.

Darcy with ongoing injury issues.

Meanwhile regarding HBF:

Wagner, Worner and Aish are currently mature depth at HBF.

If we grab the Irish guy my understanding is that is where he plays.

Three options in the draft that could fill that position seems potential prospects at our first pick: Lyndsay, Travaglia and Allan.

We seem to be struggling with Simpson's development, and I think he should be exposed to HBF as a development strategy.

 

[freo_leo29]

When does a new draftee coming in from a second round pick ever replace an established key forward? Not what I was proposing. We’ve delisted at least three tall forwards I can think of. I think 30 could be a free swing at a KPF.

Well why draft him if he isn't going to eventually replace one of them?

all 3 of those players are signed up long term

 

[freo_leo29]

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We should bid on Marshall at 17 to get some good luck with pick 18

Only one I don't rate on there is Angwin and he has time to prove me wrong still

 

[Purpletown]

So halfway between Breust and Gunston confirmed for Sturt

If Sturt can end up a player halfway between Breust and Gunston that would be a great result for FFC. Both of those two have been very handy forwards over many years.

 

[Dockernut]

Well why draft him if he isn't going to eventually replace one of them?

all 3 of those players are signed up long term

Yep, I mean eventually the project KPF could replace one of them or even be useful / available as a temporary cover for injury, which is kinda the premise of my original post.

Aaaaaannyway, Gerreyn looks a good prospect. Bit of upsized Rayner about him.

 

[theGav56]

Well why draft him if he isn't going to eventually replace one of them?

all 3 of those players are signed up long term

As long term as Bolton was?

 

[Taylor]

Well odds are we will pick a young man to move away from home for three to four years and if he is stuck behind incumbent players either he rises to the challenge, pushing our existing players to higher levels too or he loses his focus and goes home.

 

[freo_leo29]

Yep, I mean eventually the project KPF could replace one of them or even be useful / available as a temporary cover for injury, which is kinda the premise of my original post.

Aaaaaannyway, Gerreyn looks a good prospect. Bit of upsized Rayner about him.

It's more likely we develop someone to leave, I see little point in doing that

Voss is the perfect injury replacement KPF

 

[freo_leo29]

As long term as Bolton was?

As long term as Petracca and Oliver are?


Richmond only let Bolton go because they win out of the deal

We aren't going to let Jackson, Amiss, Treacy walk out on long term contracts unless its in our best interests