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I’ve still got Fyfe ahead of Erasmus for round 1 assuming both are fully fit.

I like Neil but the cold hard fact is he’s done nothing at AFL level to suggest he’s deserving of a starting AFL place in his first 3 years at the club. I get the fact that he’s young and still developing, and I also think he’s been developed in a rather questionable manner by the club, with little continuity until very recently when he finally got a decent WAFL stint uninterrupted by sub appearances at AFL level.

However we have to judge players at AFL level ultimately and he’s done practically nothing at that level, YET.
There was one decent game in 2023 v Collingwood in Melbourne (a demoralising defeat - Daicos and Pendlebury having a big laugh on the bench 5 min into the 3rd quarter that day after they’d kicked 10 goals straight or something like that still rankles) but Neil was actually decent that day when most of his teammates were shite.

I thought he was ok v Essendon this year at the G (a 7/10 performance I’d call it before he was subbed out rather harshly, but the momentum sapping clanger that led to Essendon starting their comeback when he ran too far was a ugly blight on an otherwise reasonable performance).

Other than that He’s been pretty non relevant at the highest level. His biggest flaw is he thinks too slowly. With the ball in his hands, he does some nice things but he’s mostly a millisecond too slow in execution. At WAFL you get away with that. It’s no surprise he looks a gun at WAFL level, but for me that doesn’t mean much until we see it at the highest level.
He would also benefit significantly from having a secondary position, possibly as a HFF or something.

A lot are keen to write Fyfe off but despite an underwhelming season he did play some great footy v bulldogs (37 touches and 3 votes) plus he put Heeney in his pocket did a number on him at the SCG helping us to a big victory. Not a chance we win that match without Fyfe.

No doubt Neil will get a chance early next year at the top level and in his 4th season - there are no more excuses or hiding places. He’s got to grab that chance with both hands. Being the 19th or 20th best player on the field in a freo guernsey won’t cut it for him even if we win the games he plays.
 
I’ve still got Fyfe ahead of Erasmus for round 1 assuming both are fully fit.

I like Neil but the cold hard fact is he’s done nothing at AFL level to suggest he’s deserving of a starting AFL place in his first 3 years at the club. I get the fact that he’s young and still developing, and I also think he’s been developed in a rather questionable manner by the club, with little continuity until very recently when he finally got a decent WAFL stint uninterrupted by sub appearances at AFL level.

However we have to judge players at AFL level ultimately and he’s done practically nothing at that level, YET.
There was one decent game in 2023 v Collingwood in Melbourne (a demoralising defeat - Daicos and Pendlebury having a big laugh on the bench 5 min into the 3rd quarter that day after they’d kicked 10 goals straight or something like that still rankles) but Neil was actually decent that day when most of his teammates were shite.

I thought he was ok v Essendon this year at the G (a 7/10 performance I’d call it before he was subbed out rather harshly, but the momentum sapping clanger that led to Essendon starting their comeback when he ran too far was a ugly blight on an otherwise reasonable performance).

Other than that He’s been pretty non relevant at the highest level. His biggest flaw is he thinks too slowly. With the ball in his hands, he does some nice things but he’s mostly a millisecond too slow in execution. At WAFL you get away with that. It’s no surprise he looks a gun at WAFL level, but for me that doesn’t mean much until we see it at the highest level.
He would also benefit significantly from having a secondary position, possibly as a HFF or something.

A lot are keen to write Fyfe off but despite an underwhelming season he did play some great footy v bulldogs (37 touches and 3 votes) plus he put Heeney in his pocket did a number on him at the SCG helping us to a big victory. Not a chance we win that match without Fyfe.

No doubt Neil will get a chance early next year at the top level and in his 4th season - there are no more excuses or hiding places. He’s got to grab that chance with both hands. Being the 19th or 20th best player on the field in a freo guernsey won’t cut it for him even if we win the games he plays.
Fyfe can't kick or handball

He turns it over and freo lose momentum but yeah ok
 
Fyfe can't kick or handball

He turns it over and freo lose momentum but yeah ok
Missing the point - he’s still better than Erasmus based on exposed AFL form in 2024.

Until that changes he’s ahead of him.
Also fyfes handballing is fine, you are being too harsh there.

Back to Neil - if he does not improve significantly from what he produced in 2024, his freo career will be over next October. Its up to him and until we see improvement its still up for debate.
 

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Ryan Pearce Walker
Chappy Cox Clark
Sharp Young Noddy
Freddy Treacy Bolton
Jackson Amiss Switta

Darcy Serong Brayshaw

Johnson, Erasmus, Sturt, Draper


Sub: Wagner.

Will JLO have the balls to not pick the veterans round 1? With the exception of Draper, all of these guys have at least 3 years experience in the AFL system now and should be getting backed in. The beauty is there are no absolute stars like a Daicos, Bont, Jez Cameron ect. But I genuinely believe this team can win a premiership this year.

Edit: When you consider the likes of Aish, Fyfe, Sonny, Banfield, McDonald, JOM and the new recruit Murphy Reid not making this team, there is a fair bit of depth there.
 
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Missing the point - he’s still better than Erasmus based on exposed AFL form in 2024.

Until that changes he’s ahead of him.
Also fyfes handballing is fine, you are being too harsh there.

Back to Neil - if he does not improve significantly from what he produced in 2024, his freo career will be over next October. Its up to him and until we see improvement its still up for debate.

His handballimg isn't fine. It's far from it. Have a re watch of his games. Bar the dogs game is perth he was dreadful
 
Ryan Pearce Walker
Chappy Cox Clark
Sharp Young Noddy
Freddy Treacy Bolton
Jackson Amiss Switta

Darcy Serong Brayshaw

Johnson, Erasmus, Sturt, Draper


Sub: Wagner.

Will JLO have the balls to not pick the veterans round 1? With the exception of Draper, all of these guys have at least 3 years experience in the AFL system now and should be getting backed in. The beauty is there are no absolute stars like a Daicos, Bont, Jez Cameron ect. But I genuinely believe this team can win a premiership this year.

Edit: When you consider the likes of Aish, Fyfe, Sonny, Banfield, McDonald, JOM and the new recruit Murphy Reid not making this team, there is a fair bit of depth there.
That's how I'd like to see us line up Rd 1.
I think its time to let the next generation forge their own dynasty.

There will be a synergy & excitement that team would get running out together that I just don't believe we'd get from having the same old same old - Fyfe, Walters, O'Meara, Banfield. To fit even 3 of them in would require leaving out Erasmus, Noddy & probably Sturt.

Some very tough calls coming up but I confess I will be extremely disappointed if the veterans are still getting first crack.

It's time for the future. Not against Fyfe or Walters as sub but I don't want to see O'Meara anywhere near the best 22. Would rather Reid or Simpson. Nothing against Banners either but we have to move past him except as a utility/sub or injury backup.
 
That's how I'd like to see us line up Rd 1.
I think its time to let the next generation forge their own dynasty.

There will be a synergy & excitement that team would get running out together that I just don't believe we'd get from having the same old same old - Fyfe, Walters, O'Meara, Banfield. To fit even 3 of them in would require leaving out Erasmus, Noddy & probably Sturt.

Some very tough calls coming up but I confess I will be extremely disappointed if the veterans are still getting first crack.

It's time for the future. Not against Fyfe or Walters as sub but I don't want to see O'Meara anywhere near the best 22. Would rather Reid or Simpson. Nothing against Banners either but we have to move past him except as a utility/sub or injury backup.
Coaches will always need to make hard decisions on Veterans. The question do they have the guts and smarts to transition older players.

Banfield has never been a top line player, and it's just a hard conversation that he needs to fight for games.

O'Meara isn't a Docker champion, and he already knows that he could be dropped like last year.

Walters is a club legend and the coach should be smart and transition him out. Maybe, say to him that he won't be playing every week and be managed as sub or play limited number of games. Playing him at Peel would be a slap in the face.

Fyfe last season had some great games but other games he was a witch's hat. We need to play him 15-16 games. Reduced travel and never play a game less than a 7-day break.
 
Coaches will always need to make hard decisions on Veterans. The question do they have the guts and smarts to transition older players.

Banfield has never been a top line player, and it's just a hard conversation that he needs to fight for games.

O'Meara isn't a Docker champion, and he already knows that he could be dropped like last year.

Walters is a club legend and the coach should be smart and transition him out. Maybe, say to him that he won't be playing every week and be managed as sub or play limited number of games. Playing him at Peel would be a slap in the face.

Fyfe last season had some great games but other games he was a witch's hat. We need to play him 15-16 games. Reduced travel and never play a game less than a 7-day break.
JLo clearly has Balls, Guts and Smarts!
Anyone who thinks the "transition planning" isnt high on the selectors agenda is just silly.
And Fyfe is not just waiting for a tap on the shoulder...hes a key part of the transition discussion...
Thats been very obvious for a good while.

By the way...
Theres a different model of transitioning playing out in the Indian IPL...
Warner and Smith attracting no bids while a 13yo transitions in.
They seem to have missed the, "time to go on your own terms", message which is always a bit sad.
 
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JLo clearly has Balls, Guts and Smarts!
Anyone who thinks the "transition planning" isnt high on the selectors agenda is just silly.
And Fyfe is not just waiting for a tap on the shoulder...hes a key part of the transition discussion...
Thats been very obvious for a good while.

By the way...
Theres a different model of transitioning playing out in the Indian IPL...
Warner and Smith attracting no bids while a 13yo transitions in.
They seem to have missed the, "time to go on your own terms", message which is always a bit sad.
He has the same Centre Bounce Forward set up, and majority of the time we kicked long to marking contest on the sideline from kick outs.

How is that smart or gutsy?

JLo is way too risk avert.
 

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JLo clearly has Balls, Guts and Smarts!
Anyone who thinks the "transition planning" isnt high on the selectors agenda is just silly.
And Fyfe is not just waiting for a tap on the shoulder...hes a key part of the transition discussion...
Thats been very obvious for a good while.

By the way...
Theres a different model of transitioning playing out in the Indian IPL...
Warner and Smith attracting no bids while a 13yo transitions in.
They seem to have missed the, "time to go on your own terms", message which is always a bit sad.
Interesting analogy with the cricket. If anything I guess it proves that you do need guts as a coach to not select these guys in the best 22 - which is the equivalent of Smith and Warner not being bid on in the IPL.

There really does need to be a hard conversation with all 3 of these guys to let them know that it's not about playing every week, it's about contributing to the club winning it's first ever premiership.
 
He has the same Centre Bounce Forward set up, and majority of the time we kicked long to marking contest on the sideline from kick outs.

How is that smart or gutsy?

JLo is way too risk avert.
Weird take...
I guess that makes you Ballsy, Gutsy and Smart?
Taking risks is neither intrinsically good or bad.
Sticking with the programme can be courageous.
IMO
We went forward in 2024!
Hows that?
 
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Weird take...
I guess that makes you Ballsy, Gutsy and Smart?
IMO
We went forward in 2024!
Hows that?
Went forward in 2024? From 2022 or 2023?

I am ballsy, gutsy or smart? Personal and career wise no but investing in property is another matter.

As for my point, kicking long to contest from a kick out isn't brave and lacks creativity. Having the same 6-6-6 set up 100% of the time again shows he doesn't go outside of the box.

There are no surprises at team selection, and he's sent one of the tall backs forward a few times.

My guess he wouldn't have the guts to drop Fyfe, or Walters if they become witch's hats.
 
Went forward in 2024? From 2022 or 2023?

I am ballsy, gutsy or smart? Personal and career wise no but investing in property is another matter.

As for my point, kicking long to contest from a kick out isn't brave and lacks creativity. Having the same 6-6-6 set up 100% of the time again shows he doesn't go outside of the box.

There are no surprises at team selection, and he's sent one of the tall backs forward a few times.

My guess he wouldn't have the guts to drop Fyfe, or Walters if they become witch's hats.

They kinda have become this
 
Reckon Fyfe doesn’t play till after the bye round. Give Erasmus first half of season as big mid extractor /block complete 100% sacrificial defensive duties to release Young/Serong/Brayshaw. Fyfe has one year at best. If he plays last 6 games without injury then finals. Same with Walters but bring in Simpson.
 
Fyfe is on 240 games and Walters is on 239.

I wonder if the plan is to manage them in a way so that they both reach the big 250 milestone during the home and away season. Though it can disrupt the chemistry of the midfield and forward line if there are near weekly selection changes.
 
Ryan Pearce Walker
Chappy Cox Clark
Sharp Young Noddy
Freddy Treacy Bolton
Jackson Amiss Switta

Darcy Serong Brayshaw

Johnson, Erasmus, Sturt, Draper


Sub: Wagner.

Will JLO have the balls to not pick the veterans round 1? With the exception of Draper, all of these guys have at least 3 years experience in the AFL system now and should be getting backed in. The beauty is there are no absolute stars like a Daicos, Bont, Jez Cameron ect. But I genuinely believe this team can win a premiership this year.

Edit: When you consider the likes of Aish, Fyfe, Sonny, Banfield, McDonald, JOM and the new recruit Murphy Reid not making this team, there is a fair bit of depth there.
What a good starting 22!

With Simpson coming on and Murphy Reid looking like he could be good sooner rather than later, we have talent at depth rather than just soldiers. McDonald as cover in the back will be handy too, along with Davies.
 
Fyfe is on 240 games and Walters is on 239.

I wonder if the plan is to manage them in a way so that they both reach the big 250 milestone during the home and away season. Though it can disrupt the chemistry of the midfield and forward line if there are near weekly selection changes.

Hope not. Should be injury cover only
 
Reckon Fyfe doesn’t play till after the bye round. Give Erasmus first half of season as big mid extractor /block complete 100% sacrificial defensive duties to release Young/Serong/Brayshaw. Fyfe has one year at best. If he plays last 6 games without injury then finals. Same with Walters but bring in Simpson.


I think there's zero chance of that happening, if Fyfe and Walters are fit and their summer form isn't terrible they play round one IMO.

Much more chance that one or both get an injury or struggle to impact and retire midyear than spending the first half of the season in cotton wool.
 

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