List Mgmt. 2025 List Management discussion

[Rogue Warrior]

17mill wasn't enough for Finn , not sure money is everything

Really hope after missing out on All the A and A+ players that we don’t go and spend big money on a few B+ guys

 

[akaifu]

Billings, Dow and Fiora were pick 3

You can list a hundred failed picks for every pick in the draft

 

[ScrappyDo]

The point is we are going to see plenty more of sunday this year regardless.

So we're dumb to have not been brave enough to cash in one of sinclair or marshall or steele for a top pick.

Instead we've been hitting the accelerator on a rebuild (ie ditching membrey, playing lots of kids) and simuntaneoulsy hitting the brakes on a rebuild (ie bringing in macrae and not being willing to cash in one of the above)

Half measures taking us nowhere closer to a flag long term or short term

Rubbish. We've all seen what happens when you don't have enough seniors to support the kids.

 

[billings2paddy]

And if you bin the good senior players, you turn into norf for the last 5 years, who have been a bottom 2 side since the 2025 season.

But will be challenging for the flag in a few years.

 

[billings2paddy]

You can list a hundred failed picks for every pick in the draft

Same as the NBA, NFL and AFL
However 99% of players are drafted.
We need to rebuild from the draft as per 2000 and 2001.
We did pretty good

 

[Saint Ray]

But will be challenging for the flag in a few years.

Trading out top players has never worked for us in the past.

 

[wannabewinner]

Murphy Reid - 4 goals in debut in 10 minutes.

Toby Travaglia… unseen / uncapped.

 

[billings2paddy]

Trading out top players has never worked for us in the past.

We can't get A grade talent despite our best efforts.
We need to rebuild from the draft.
one early first round pick won't be sufficient.

 

[beside the seaside]

Murphy Reid - 4 goals in debut in 10 minutes.

Toby Travaglia… unseen / uncapped.

 

[akaifu]

Same as the NBA, NFL and AFL
However 99% of players are drafted.
We need to rebuild from the draft as per 2000 and 2001.
We did pretty good

Point is that although pick 3 has some fails, it’s success rate is a lot higher than picks below it

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Murphy Reid - 4 goals in debut in 10 minutes.

Toby Travaglia… unseen / uncapped.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Murphy Reid - 4 goals in debut in 10 minutes.

Toby Travaglia… unseen / uncapped.

OMFG!!!!!!!!

 

[wannabewinner]

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Billings / Bontempelli

Not the first time with this club.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Rubbish. We've all seen what happens when you don't have enough seniors to support the kids.

And that was a big part of the weekend when you have blokes like Hill and co being invisible, the leadership was woeful IMO

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Billings / Bontempelli

Not the first time with this club.

You may have heard this (many times) before, but, “Baby you’ve gone early”.

 

[Sully111]

Billings / Bontempelli

Not the first time with this club.

I don't understand

What happened with Billings and Bontempelli?

 

[Diehard Saint]

Murphy Reid - 4 goals in debut in 10 minutes.

Toby Travaglia… unseen / uncapped.

That’s it.
Reid’s winning the Brownlow and we might as well delist TT.

 

[gringo2011]

You may have heard this (many times) before, but, “Baby you’ve gone early”.

When you've carved a path through the lawn, it's hard to see any other route. We all know this script off by heart. Our guys are promising and or injury prone and the guys taken straight after ours are future AFL HOFers.

I'm actually impressed when people don't fall to straight into despondency. I wish I was a affirmation guru like you boss.

 

[Dard Ball Get]

When you've carved a path through the lawn, it's hard to see any other route. We all know this script off by heart. Our guys are promising and or injury prone and the guys taken straight after ours are future AFL HOFers.

I'm actually impressed when people don't fall to straight into despondency. I wish I was an affirmation guru like you boss.

It’s not that deep, just don’t be a pussy

 

[Parkysp]

So the plan as stated by the president is to start competing for a flag in the next 12 to 24 months or so. That clearly is almost entirely dependent on getting an LDU and TDK. But what happens if we are genuinely bad this year and the above doesn’t occur?

Players just don’t go to bad teams via free agency, it just doesn’t happen. I wish it did, that was the rationalisation for free agency by the players association but it was a load of shit. I wish the AFL had a culture more like the NFL and players went wherever the money was best cause they genuinely believed they can win anywhere. It would be a hell of a lot more interesting. Unfortunately the AFL is too dumb or spineless to realise this.

Read about the history of the NFL and particularly Pete Rosell who was the commissioner who presided over the league for 30 years and turned it from a second rung sport behind baseball to the juggernaut it is now and how strong he was on equalisation and any given Sunday as they say. There’s a reason it is so widely popular now. A strong and even league makes everyone stronger.

If we can’t get free agents to compete whilst Wilkie, Sinclair and Marshall are still very good with Tasmania coming in and the likelihood of not getting access to an elite talent this year I genuinely have no idea what we do. I think we may have missed the boat on trading any of the above for real value and they are too old to be enticing for the Devils.

I think we would need to start preparing a case to the AFL for concessions for this year. Not in extra picks but for us not to get pushed back down the draft order. Imagine sitting through a year where we finish 16th and then getting pushed back to a talent in the teens whilst the Suns and Lions get 4 picks in the top 6 between them. We can put up with a lot as Saints fans but that would be too much for me.

The team we put out on the weekend was as bad a team as we’ve had on the park at any point over the last 15 years of shite. It was seriously devoid of talent. I’m so sick of being a mile behind everyone for from a talent stand point. Injury played a part in that but to see us in this position after being so irrelevant for so long and to start a season with no hope. Feel as low as any point in my time as a fan. Earliest season I can remember is 1995.

Very worried the 4 pillars as they’ve dubbed themselves have backed themselves into a corner and won’t be able to change course and we’ll continue to see Jones over Boxshall and Cordy over Keeler for the rest of the season. Too much egg on their face.

I think we are kindred spirits on the bush league AFL and NFL. My wife after 13 years in Australia still laughs at how home bound we are given we laude how much we travel. Kids go across the country for college in the US but our kids won't go to Melbourne Uni if they live in Frankston because it's too far away. Equalisation means that players can't go running home to their state or favourite farm/surf place they suck it up to play professional sport.

The AFL leadership genuinely seems more interested in the perks of the job so it will never change. They certainly don't care about all clubs equally. I've walked out of way too many games over the past 4 years thinking I just can't see a way for us to compete. A way for us to get our lick. As a club I genuinely believe that the people in leadership have been doing their best but we just don't have the same resources so we are compromised at every turn so we make poor decisions at every turn.

The AFL has us in an abusive financial relationship. The club as a whole and us a individuals. It's wrong on all levels but I love this club and guess we have to just keep fighting.

 

[wannabewinner]

You may have heard this (many times) before, but, “Baby you’ve gone early”.

Hopefully not with Billings and Bontempelli.

Murphy Reid was in contention for saints picks and the team passed over him twice.

I can see Tauru having upside if he’s not injured. Travaglia... Dunno. A half back in the sea of half backs at St Kilda.

 

[Klaatu]

If and i say If Nas decides to go home i would think Butters & Bergman plus us swapping a pick over would be the deal.

 

[SaintJunior]

Hopefully not with Billings and Bontempelli.

Murphy Reid was in contention for saints picks and the team passed over him twice.

I can see Tauru having upside if he’s not injured. Travaglia... Dunno. A half back in the sea of half backs at St Kilda.

Didn’t see the teams with six picks directly after us rushing in to get him.

Might want to get on the phone to Richmond dumb asses passed him up four times .

Seriously talk about an over the top reaction.