Expansion 20th AFL team location

[Spud11]

Just for clarification, the club wouldn’t be entered as the 20th slot at all and would probably be long shots as the 21st and 22nd as well given the AFL’s preference of WA3 and NSW/QLD.

South Adelaide would just be the better option for SA3 instead of Norwood given the lack of geographical area represented in the AFL competitions currently with Norwood overlapping the Crows / Power support.

Food for thought really but it won’t happen for another 40/50 years unfortunately.

South are the Redbacks of the SANFL. Good looking brand, heaps of territory, great players through the years… Just hopelessly and pathetically unsuccessful in a league where they’re 1 out of only a few.
Geographically it makes sense I see that. Tradition and strength of club etc, it would have to be Norwood (or even Sturt).

 

[Swanssince91]

Norwood would have more financial backing

 

[Tigerlaird]

Norwood and South Adelaide can merge. It would make the bid stronger. But only at the AFL level. They should still maintain a separate identity at SANFL level unless a reserves league is established.

 

[3207]

Haha the same 1 team out of 9 (or 10) that represents the entire southern region of SA, barely ever makes finals, last flag was 1964?

Yeah, get them in.

Ready made rivalry with St Kilda for the worst club in the comp !

 

[Swanssince91]

Norwood and South Adelaide can merge. It would make the bid stronger. But only at the AFL level. They should still maintain a separate identity at SANFL level unless a reserves league is established.

Norwood would merge with Sturt before south Adelaide

 

[theboxmike]

Canberra is the obvious next team / step.



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[peetoo]

Norwood and South Adelaide can merge. It would make the bid stronger. But only at the AFL level. They should still maintain a separate identity at SANFL level unless a reserves league is established.

‘We can steal thousands of crows and power members’. AFL not be impressed by that.

One issue Tassie had to put up with is the state population not growing as fast as some places, how is SA in that respect?

 

[Cunnington Cartel]

‘We can steal thousands of crows and power members’. AFL not be impressed by that.

One issue Tassie had to put up with is the state population not growing as fast as some places, how is SA in that respect?

Better growth than Tas, but still slower than everywhere else. When they say they’re going to “steal thousands of members” then you know that they’ll never get the license. Surely the AFL would prefer to admit a club that will grow the game and bring in new members, instead of one that will cause fans to shuffle across and make existing clubs weaker?

 

[Robroy22]

And Collingwood still wouldn't travel and play at KP.

4/10 weak sauce

Why wouldn't they?? They often play preseason games at KP where their holiday crowd can attend. If you want to host the Pies, build a bigger stadium??

 

[Purple Suit]

Better growth than Tas, but still slower than everywhere else. When they say they’re going to “steal thousands of members” then you know that they’ll never get the license. Surely the AFL would prefer to admit a club that will grow the game and bring in new members, instead of one that will cause fans to shuffle across and make existing clubs weaker?

That's why WA3 should be the next team and they should bring them in 1-2 years after Tassie. WC will still be rebuilding and a new Perth team will definitely steal thousands of members of WC if done right and it will barely affect WC's attendance while boosting a new team up.

The net gain will be massive with two extra 60K sell outs a year and a team who will draw 25-30K each game from day 1. Plus the extra revenue from an additional game every week. It'll also mean 1 less trip away a year for the WA teams which would be nice to get some sort of equalization for once instead of constantly getting over looked.

 

[BomberManU]

Won't need a 20th team as AFL will pull out of Tas deal.

 

[peetoo]

That's why WA3 should be the next team and they should bring them in 1-2 years after Tassie. WC will still be rebuilding and a new Perth team will definitely steal thousands of members of WC if done right and it will barely affect WC's attendance while boosting a new team up.

The net gain will be massive with two extra 60K sell outs a year and a team who will draw 25-30K each game from day 1. Plus the extra revenue from an additional game every week. It'll also mean 1 less trip away a year for the WA teams which would be nice to get some sort of equalization for once instead of constantly getting over looked.

20 teams may not allow for three WA teams to play each other twice every year
If each team plays everyone once 19 from 23 games. Only leaves 4

No one seems to factor that in

Maybe kind of loose conferences of 5 teams where each conference is guaranteed a second team in as a wild card if only one is in the top eight on ladder.

West group eagles freo crows power wa3 or sa3

Nort group swans gws gc lions plus 1. Geelong?

Two more groups of melb teams. MCG pies tigers hawks melb. Tas. Marvel Carl ess dogs saints north

In 2022 the top 8 plus wildcards bulldogs crows would have been added. Who were 9 10 anyway as it happens

 

[Coolangatta]

20 teams may not allow for three WA teams to play each other twice every year
If each team plays everyone once 19 from 23 games. Only leaves 4

No one seems to factor that in

Um 2x WA derbies = 2 double ups if everyone plays once so no issues whatsoever. 21 fits fine into 23. You could even do it at 22 teams but you couldn’t go beyond that unless you expanded to 25 games.

 

[99cents]

Inner Western Sydney

 

[peetoo]

Um 2x WA derbies = 2 double ups if everyone plays once so no issues whatsoever. 21 fits fine into 23. You could even do it at 22 teams but you couldn’t go beyond that unless you expanded to 25 games.

If it’s every year. Makes the lopsided even mor permanent

 

[Daka]

Where Bruce McAvaney thinks the AFL must put a 20th team to “complete the jigsaw”

“I say that with my head and not my heart.”

www.sen.com.au

McAvaney is a totally correct! always been a smart person.

 

[Coolangatta]

If it’s every year. Makes the lopsided even mor permanent

So what? If there's 3 WA teams, they should always play each other twice. They aren't Victoria who have 10 teams so all those clubs are guaranteed playing 15+ games a year in Melbourne and don't need to all play each other twice. Giving the WA (and eventually SA) clubs a guaranteed 13 games per year in their home state will help reduce the travel burden of those clubs slightly.

Although, it only works if there's 22 teams max insofar as reducing the travel burden goes. It's a pity ACT can't get a relocated club, because then you could add WA3, SA3, Northern Australia and the game is "complete" as far as national representation goes. Not a big deal if there's never a NZ team etc.

Otherwise, beyond 22 teams you'd need to look at some conference system or extending the number of H/A games to keep those 2x derbies happening.

Where Bruce McAvaney thinks the AFL must put a 20th team to “complete the jigsaw”

“I say that with my head and not my heart.”

www.sen.com.au

McAvaney is a totally correct! always been a smart person.

Nah, it's always annoyed me that NT is seen as the last piece of the puzzle. Yes, in terms of land size, they're the biggest void on the map, but then so is NQ and as far as territories with large populations go, ACT is most definitely a missing piece of the puzzle.

 

[citizen-erased]

Nah, it's always annoyed me that NT is seen as the last piece of the puzzle. Yes, in terms of land size, they're the biggest void on the map, but then so is NQ and as far as territories with large populations go, ACT is most definitely a missing piece of the puzzle.

geographically it's NT v ACT on the jigsaw side of things
ACT probably logistically easier on a lot of fronts, but do have a decent GWS presence.

NT i imagine is a nightmare to setup and run, but it would be cool to have teams "around" the country.

 

[Coolangatta]

geographically it's NT v ACT on the jigsaw side of things
ACT probably logistically easier on a lot of fronts, but do have a decent GWS presence.

NT i imagine is a nightmare to setup and run, but it would be cool to have teams "around" the country.

NT won't happen unless someone's gonna put 2 billion on the table to fund it all. That'd have to be the minimum amount of money you'd need, it'd be a charity club.

It's too bad we didn't have faster, more futuristic trains and planes because if you could shorten the distance of travel between NT and pretty much everywhere, then a Northern Australia team would become less of a travel burden on the players than it's going to be for them in reality.

 

[citizen-erased]

NT won't happen unless someone's gonna put 2 billion on the table to fund it all. That'd have to be the minimum amount of money you'd need, it'd be a charity club.

It's too bad we didn't have faster, more futuristic trains and planes because if you could shorten the distance of travel between NT and pretty much everywhere, then a Northern Australia team would become less of a travel burden on the players than it's going to be for them in reality.

yeah. tyranny of distance, even within the state, makes it a headache.

we should have bullet trains though.

 

[Coolangatta]

yeah. tyranny of distance, even within the state, makes it a headache.

we should have bullet trains though.

Wish super or hypersonic trains were a real thing, that'd be a game changer.

I think Canberra and Perth 3 are the only sustainable teams at the moment.

They could do, say, ACT 2033, Perth 3 2038, leave it at 21 teams for however long it needs to be.

Or they might go Perth 3 in 2032, but then if they do that, bring in ACT 2038, only give the Giants a 5-year extension from 2033-7 and then they can piss off.

The mentality needs to shift from "we have to have an even number of teams" to "we have to have sustainable teams."

 

[peetoo]

Barriers to entry gws and Gold Coast didn’t need to cross. Their stadium upgrades were small change in compasison

 

[peetoo]

Let’s get real. The AFL would really like a third nsw team. It may be held open till a realistic one emerges

 

[Philth]

Wish super or hypersonic trains were a real thing, that'd be a game changer.

I think Canberra and Perth 3 are the only sustainable teams at the moment.

They could do, say, ACT 2033, Perth 3 2038, leave it at 21 teams for however long it needs to be.

Or they might go Perth 3 in 2032, but then if they do that, bring in ACT 2038, only give the Giants a 5-year extension from 2033-7 and then they can piss off.

The mentality needs to shift from "we have to have an even number of teams" to "we have to have sustainable teams."

This has been said before, but I'll say it again.

The fact that we are having this conversation about where to put a 20th team, goes to show we don't need one.

And we certainly don't need two.

 

[Coolangatta]

This has been said before, but I'll say it again.

The fact that we are having this conversation about where to put a 20th team, goes to show we don't need one.

And we certainly don't need two.

This has been said before, but I'll say it again.

The fact that we are having this conversation about where to put a 20th team, goes to show we need more than one.

We certainly need at least 21.

Seriously, though, I don't get your argument. The reason why Canberra and Perth 3 get raised is because they're both viable options, not because neither of them are.

The question is more whether 20 is enough, not where the 20th is going to come from.

Let’s get real. The AFL would really like a third nsw team. It may be held open till a realistic one emerges

That's true. Either that, or a NZ team, if Auckland can get a viable ground going.

I think there'll be enough talent for 22 teams by 2050 so it'd be a shame for Canberra or Perth 3 to miss out. I'd like to see them both come in before 2050 with team 22 being well up in the air, if ever happening at all.