24 F1 cars too many?

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Hardly seems to be the pinnacle of motorsport when the likes of HRT are running around. And Drivers like Pic Karthikayen have drives when Heidfeld cant.

I think the 20 mark is perfect.
 
Correct me if i'm wrong but the starting grid was 20 then 22 ???

But i don't mind having 24 cars because it means more action on the track.
 
There will always be back marker teams and pay drivers in Formula One no matter how many teams there are.

There is a vast untapped source of money coming from Asia that will eventually make it's way into Formula One. Vijay Mallya (Force India) is forging the way for Asia with Tony Fernandes (Caterham) close behind, and they are just the tip of the iceberg IMO.

Formula One has been European centric for too long, and I believe this has been to the detriment of Formula One's expansion.

I can see an eventual expansion of the grid in Formula One, as teams become more Asia focussed and start chasing the Asian dollar.
 

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Correct me if i'm wrong but the starting grid was 20 then 22 ???

But i don't mind having 24 cars because it means more action on the track.

There was 11 teams and then Toyota withdrew and the proposal was to increase the grid to 26 cars, but only 3 news teams were successful in gaining entry. I'm pretty sure the 13th team was US F1, but the team never eventuated.
 
There was 11 teams and then Toyota withdrew and the proposal was to increase the grid to 26 cars, but only 3 news teams were successful in gaining entry. I'm pretty sure the 13th team was US F1, but the team never eventuated.

Lack of money was the reason behind the US team i think.
 
Hardly seems to be the pinnacle of motorsport when the likes of HRT are running around. And Drivers like Pic Karthikayen have drives when Heidfeld cant.

I think the 20 mark is perfect.
Heidfeld? He had his fair chance...
 
Without derailing this thread Nick has been in F1 for over ten year and has never won a race but saying that he has around 15 podiums.

Might be a good idea if he races in one of the German series.
 
I think the 20 mark is perfect.
Decades ago, when there were 26+ entries for an F1 race, the FIA worked out that a 26 car field was the optimun number. There's nothing wrong with the really weak teams participating, leave them alone.

Formula One has been European centric for too long,
You state it like it's bad thing.


and I believe this has been to the detriment of Formula One's expansion.
What detriment? It wouldn't exist if it weren't a European series. Asian countries, excluding Japan, don't have a serious motorsport culture. Therefore, the "F1 culture" would break down. There's no point in F1 expanding, it's already the highest level of motorsport.
 
if it wasnt for teams like minardi and such, how would guys like webber and alonso be doing now? im a big fan of having more cars, giving opportunities to younger drivers. would ricciardo be in a toro rosso right now if he didnt beat liuzzi in a hrt?

plus i've thoroughly enjoyed a team like force india, who have been able to make the jump from back of the pack to midpack, the same move that hopefully caterham are going to make soon.
 
You state it like it's bad thing.

I would prefer Formula One to be a true world series. Sure it has roots in Europe, but Europe is on the decline and Asia is on the ascendancy. It makes sense to make Formula One more Asian.

What detriment? It wouldn't exist if it weren't a European series. Asian countries, excluding Japan, don't have a serious motorsport culture. Therefore, the "F1 culture" would break down. There's no point in F1 expanding, it's already the highest level of motorsport.

Formula One is the pinnacle of open wheeler motor racing, to stay there the sport needs money, and most of the new money in Formula One is not going to come from Europe.
 

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If the grid number goes up the only problem is that less than 1/3 of the grid will leave the race with points.

So they will need to change the points system.
 
I would prefer Formula One to be a true world series.
Not that we're arguing, but it has been a "true world series", for about 62 and a bit years.


Sure it has roots in Europe, but Europe is on the decline and Asia is on the ascendancy. It makes sense to make Formula One more Asian.
Outside of Japan, there is no passion for motorsport in Asia, or there is a lower interest. There are bandwagon countries (Malaysia, India, Singapore, Korea, China), but nothing fair dinkum. Better for F1 to be primarily in Europe, it keeps it's integrity that way.

Formula One is the pinnacle of open wheeler motor racing, to stay there the sport needs money,
This is an interesting interpretation. It comes across as though F1 was just another series that gravitated to the top through means other than that it is the highest level the FIA offers. Regardless of anything, it's always going to the the pinnacle of all motorsport, not just open wheelers. (with the possible exception, in the future, of the WRC or cross-country rallying)


and most of the new money in Formula One is not going to come from Europe.
If F1 expands to Asia, while the money generated in Europe and the amount of races there recedes, it's not really an expansion. All it means is that the "F1 economy" has moved to Asia. Not a good thing necessarily, because the general lack of interest in motorsport compared to Europe. Not that we're arguing
 
I've only been following F1 seriously for the last 3 seasons and from my point of view what appeals is the history and mystique of the traditional tracks, where every corner tells a story. And traditional constructers for whom heroes of old drove.

Most if not all of these tracks and constructers are in Europe (Monaco, Spa, Silverstone etc / Ferrari, MacLaren, Williams etc.). I know that its not what is necessarily being suggested by expanding into Asia, but when the sports biggest appeal to the viewer and the driver is the history and the honour of driving in that series and on those tracks and for those constructers, it would be folly to move away from those roots.

As a relative novice to the sport im happy to be argued against, proven wrong or flamed :).
 
Less is more for mine.

And Torro Rosso shits me.

For the likes of Ricciardo or Vergne to chances are be in a RedBull next year (the best car on the grid) is a joke.

Whatever happened to working your way up?

A year in a Minardi or the like

Then maybe a Sauber or Jordan

Then off to Ferrari McLaren and Williams.

No just you were aligned to the right sponsor early on so off you go.
 
Whatever happened to working your way up?

A year in a Minardi or the like

Then maybe a Sauber or Jordan

Then off to Ferrari McLaren and Williams.

No just you were aligned to the right sponsor early on so off you go.

So someone has to play for GWS before being recuited by Geelong? Right ...

No, sorry, I can't agree with that at all.
 
Less is more for mine.
Australian F3 has 12 cars, even less! Do you like that? Better to have too many cars than too few. Don't listen to Daryl Beattie.

And Torro Rosso shits me.

For the likes of Ricciardo or Vergne to chances are be in a RedBull next year (the best car on the grid) is a joke.

Whatever happened to working your way up?

A year in a Minardi or the like
You don't just rock up to Minardi. They have to want you too. You just get in any way you can, I suppose.

Then maybe a Sauber or Jordan

Then off to Ferrari McLaren and Williams.

No just you were aligned to the right sponsor early on so off you go.
In principle, I agree with you. What has happened though, is that the teams, particularly the leading ones, have changed their criterion when choosing a driver. Previously, a driver would have to have a lot of experience in car racing to get a contract with a leading team. Nowadays, the leading teams are actively looking at boys who've yet to go through puberty before trying them out and a prepared to take them on, for whatver reason. Years ago, making your debut seaosn in F1 at 25 was considered early or a young age to do so. Now, you're considered old!

The most graphic example I can think of is seeng a doco on Ayrton Senna's first try in an F1 car (Williams, Donnington Park, late 1983). Frank Williams was interviewed during it. He was saying, while he was prepared to give Senna a try in an F1 car, he would not consider offering him a race contract for the 84 season. His reasoning was the Senna was young and had no experience in F1. This, despite Senna being 23yo and having knocked off three british titles on the trot in his first three seasons of car racing. Compare that, to how many drivers under 25 Williams have had a go the last 10-15 years? All of whom were lesser drivers with lesser records.
 
You work your way up by doing well in GP3 & GP2 that is how it works.

:thumbsu:

Exactly.

It's true that in reality, not all F1 teams are on a level footing, but for all intents and purposes, they are still F1 teams. Once a driver graduates to F1, whether they get a top team drive or not should not depend on how much experience they have had, but whether the team actually wants that driver. It should not matter whether they've had "done their time", as it were, in a back of the grid team. All that matters is that they're wanted by an F1 team to drive for them. Besides, it's always great to see a driver in their debut season show an arrogant double world champion how to drive ...

Thinking about it, it shouldn't even matter if they've done GP3 and GP2. Button went straight from F3 to F1. Raikkonen went straight from Formula Renault to F1. GP2 is clearly not a prerequisite for an F1 drive. There shouldn't be any, as far as I'm concerned. It should be up to the teams to assess each driver's level of competence for themselves.
 
If you read what i have previously wrote. I said 20 is the perfect number, no less. Dont put words in my mouth
Wow, I wasn't even trying to troll you. That being the case, Drag racing is a 2 car race, how about that??

What so special about 20 anyway? You didn't even give an explanation as to why it's so good for you.

That is why i find that series so unattractive very little passing with such a small field of cars.
The class shouldn't exist as a National championship.
 

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