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[Neale4brownlow]

Asked if the man known as “Checo” will finish the season after the dismal result in Mexico City, Horner replied: “Look, it’s a performance-based business. There comes a point in time that difficult decisions have to be made.”

Interesting comment

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It begs the question why is it always RedBull with a dud 2nd driver.

No other top team has had that same disparity between a driver pairing in the past few years (that I can recall?).

 

[Cromulant]

It begs the question why is it always RedBull with a dud 2nd driver.

No other top team has had that same disparity between a driver pairing in the past few years (that I can recall?).

Checo wasnt always a dud, he was a decent number 2 driver.

No driver wants that, the constant beatdowns, poor strategy calls etc would always get the better of you. Its accelerated his decline.

 

[my name was taken]

Haas really stepped up lately to capitalise on any of the usual p7-p10 racers mistakes and AMs collapse.

Perez is cooked, only reason to retain to end of season must be Carlos Slim pulling strings with his billions.

 

[Black_White]

RB must surely be kicking themselves that they didn’t actively court Sainz.
Yes, yes I know that there is history there. But Max and Carlos are big boys now that shouldn’t worry about what their daddy’s do.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

They are getting desperate now, something has to give. Max needs more support from his teammate and time is running out!

It's too late for this year there will be no change this year although by rights perez should be sacked after this race. The sad bit is unless he retires we will probably be stuck with this circus next year because Red Bull don't want to lose his sponsor $,. Epitomises everything that's wrong with F1.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

RB must surely be kicking themselves that they didn’t actively court Sainz.
Yes, yes I know that there is history there. But Max and Carlos are big boys now that shouldn’t worry about what their daddy’s do.

Very true.
Part of the problem is they haven't got an obvious replacement.
Horner hoped DR would be but Helmut never wanted him and it didn't and wouldn't have worked.
Yuki is way too volatile to work with Max and Lawson while he will be good eventually I don't think he's ready for red bull. Sainz I don't think will leave Williams for them and getting Russell isn't realistic. I'm sure they want piastri I'm not sure that happens either.

Perez simply has to go for the sake of integrity but there's no obvious replacement. Red Bull have handled it poorly.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

It begs the question why is it always RedBull with a dud 2nd driver.

No other top team has had that same disparity between a driver pairing in the past few years (that I can recall?).

When you have a team where jos verstappen and Helmut marko have too much power it explains a lot.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Then they will lose the drivers championship along with the constructors, they need Danny Ric's experience in a last ditch effort to stave off what is fast becoming an inevitability. Daniel was certainly not the worst driver on the gird, Yuki and Lawson don't have the know how just yet to help win a championship, i'd put my money on an 8 time winner who just might?

I agree Danny would bring more points than perez in the short term (although I think he's close to end) but he wouldn't want to come back after how they treated him and they would never do it unless marko was out the door by then. He should have been put in the car earlier in the year but it's gone now he won't come back to F1.

 

[JackFlash]

I agree Danny would bring more points than perez in the short term (although I think he's close to end) but he wouldn't want to come back after how they treated him and they would never do it unless marko was out the door by then. He should have been put in the car earlier in the year but it's gone now he won't come back to F1.

Marko hates him and you're right they won't put him in the car, but Red Bull could be desperate enough to try anything? The constructors title is in jeopardy and that's a lot of money. Max is under threat in the drivers championship also. The last four races have never been so critical.

 

[Cromulant]

Marko hates him and you're right they won't put him in the car, but Red Bull could be desperate enough to try anything? The constructors title is in jeopardy and that's a lot of money. Max is under threat in the drivers championship also. The last four races have never been so critical.

The constructors is already gone, adding Danny isnt going to help that.

Nor will he finish ahead of the Mclarens. You arent going to put a guy who is disengaged with the sport into a car and expect him to run in the top 4 or 5..... it wont happen.

 

[JackFlash]

The constructors is already gone, adding Danny isnt going to help that.

Nor will he finish ahead of the Mclarens. You arent going to put a guy who is disengaged with the sport into a car and expect him to run in the top 4 or 5..... it wont happen.

 

[JackFlash]

The constructors is already gone, adding Danny isnt going to help that.

Nor will he finish ahead of the Mclarens. You arent going to put a guy who is disengaged with the sport into a car and expect him to run in the top 4 or 5..... it wont happen.

I don't expect Red Bull to just give up with four races to go and only 54 points behind in the constructors? Max looks like losing the drivers title also, now if they want to just meekly admit defeat, they must do something?

 

[Cromulant]

I don't expect Red Bull to just give up with four races to go and only 54 points behind in the constructors? Max looks like losing the drivers title also, now if they want to just meekly admit defeat, they must do something?

He wont lose the drivers title. 47 points is a lot to make up especially given Ferrari's late season form.

They MIGHT do something, but the car is in a spot now where they cant win the constructors

 

[Neale4brownlow]

Checo wasnt always a dud, he was a decent number 2 driver.

No driver wants that, the constant beatdowns, poor strategy calls etc would always get the better of you. Its accelerated his decline.

Agree 100%.

I probably framed my statement a tad bluntly.

Perez has proven he's a more than capable driver.

Albon has proven he was a more than capable driver.

Gasley has proven he's a more than capable driver.

Yet everyone that sits in that 2nd seat gets cast with the same incompetent brush.

At some point some blame needs to go on the team. I do remember reading the RB is incredibly hard to drive to Max's driving style. So it just doesn't suit anyone else. Added to that the extra pressure of being in that seat. its a bit of a blow torch. I thought Perez did pretty well when he replaced Albon. But he's crumbling like the rest.

Lawson might be the best bet. Confident young kid with nothing to lose. But Red Bull have always seemed to be very cautious with adding a dynamic that might upset the apple cart (max). And rightly so...

 

[happy_eagle]

Watching Lawson get into on track battles with Alonso and Perez in consecutive weeks, and him giving Checo the finger as he passes him.

I'm not so sure Lawson is the cool calm alternative to Tsunoda that Red Bull were hoping for.

 

[Neale4brownlow]

Watching Lawson get into on track battles with Alonso and Perez in consecutive weeks, and him giving Checo the finger as he passes him.

I'm not so sure Lawson is the cool calm alternative to Tsunoda that Red Bull were hoping for.

I could very easily see him being another Gasley/Albon type. Full of confidence and drowns in the shock of it all.

RedBull would be really stumped over a solution here.

My best guess is they resign themselves to the fact Perez is finishing the year now (for optics more than anything). Then make a call in the off-season where too from 2025.

As silly as it is I can see a world where they make no decision and just leave Perez in the seat and give Lawson another year of development.

They'd be sick of making embarrassing calls by now.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

It's too late for this year there will be no change this year although by rights perez should be sacked after this race. The sad bit is unless he retires we will probably be stuck with this circus next year because Red Bull don't want to lose his sponsor $,. Epitomises everything that's wrong with F1.

Surely Perez is going to cost RB net monies... dropping from 1st to 3rd in the teams championship?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

He wont lose the drivers title. 47 points is a lot to make up especially given Ferrari's late season form.

They MIGHT do something, but the car is in a spot now where they cant win the constructors

Unlikely, but a DNF would make things interesting...

Also, it appears they are getting more serious with time penalties given past antics.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Marko hates him and you're right they won't put him in the car, but Red Bull could be desperate enough to try anything? The constructors title is in jeopardy and that's a lot of money. Max is under threat in the drivers championship also. The last four races have never been so critical.

I think that ship has sailed and even if they asked DR to come back he would tell them to get stuffed and stay retired.
Unfortunately marko is part of the problem (admittedly not all of it red bull have other cultural problems) and you only need to see his latest comments this weekend on perez/lawson/yuki to see that. The problem sadly won't get better until Helmut dies as no one in the team is game enough to tell him to shut up and stop being rent a quote.

As I posted months ago if I was the media manager at Red Bull I'd literally tell Helmut his job is to stick to junior driver academies which he's good at but he no longer has permission to talk to any media outlets re F1 and if he does I would sack him. But no one at their stable has the cojones for that.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Surely Perez is going to cost RB net monies... dropping from 1st to 3rd in the teams championship?

I don't think they will care enough because of the mega sponsor $ from Sergio. Helmut is also a handbrake on them getting someone significantly better to replace him as Red Bull with the current car problems and cultural issues isn't attractive to a lot of drivers.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I don't think they will care enough because of the mega sponsor $ from Sergio. Helmut is also a handbrake on them getting someone significantly better to replace him as Red Bull with the current car problems and cultural issues isn't attractive to a lot of drivers.

Helmut seems to have been more of a hindrance in the past year or so.

Imagine if Max leaves RB after next sesson...