Past #29: Brent Harvey - drafted w/ #47 in '95 ND - 432 games/518 goals for NM - AFL games record holder

[Wild Bill]

Interested to hear what Freo's defence for Fyfe will be.

Same as ours - Lewis should be able to be punched in the face and Picken should be able to be slammed and pinned. All fair for me.

 

[Roos Addick]

The reaction on here is blowing my mind. I honestly thought I was on the main board reading these posts.

He got scragged from behind off the ball. Had a wrestle. That's it. Can't believe y'all seeing it and something worse. You got lakes (rocks) in your head.

 

[Horace]

Let us take the Fremantle vs North game as the premium standard for hunger, work ethic and discipline, Crowley was spent at quarter time and was jogging 20m behind Boomer for the rest of the game.

That should be the gold standard for how Boomer should play against the scragging taggers, if the bloke is 20m behind you then what opportunity does he have to pig root you?

Do you think the performances between that game and the Dogs were comparable in terms of effort or discipline? If not then what is the missing ingredient? Hunger? Desire?

A comparison with the Fremantle game is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing here.

Nevertheless as far as I am concerned, Boomers efforts were at exactly the same level in both of those games.

Irrespective you are one of those negative posters who shit me to tears. Lighten up, try to be positive for a change and enjoy the fact that firstly we won and won quite nicely on Sunday and secondly we are going to play finals, with or without Boomer.

 

[Saintly31]

I can't believe our own supporters are hanging Boomer before it's seen by the tribunal.

It's really not that bad.

They have a wrestle. Boomer puts his forearm on Pickens throat for about 3 seconds. Picken is even still trying to wrestle with Boomer as he try's to get up.

But Yeah let's look at a still picture of Harvey with his arm across Pickens throat and say he was strangling him.

No it's not that bad, but it was an extremely stupid thing to do knowing how sensitive the AFL are about the image of the game and so on.

Taggers can get under Harvey's skin and it has hurt the team in the past with him reacting to it. This is not an isolated incident.

If he gets weeks he has no one other than himself to blame.

 

[Grogg]

The reaction on here is blowing my mind. I honestly thought I was on the main board reading these posts.

He got scragged from behind off the ball. Had a wrestle. That's it. Can't believe y'all seeing it and something worse. You got lakes (rocks) in your head.

I'm taking most of these posts on how people see the tribunal will see it & not essentially as their personal opinion.

I'm totally with you on your take, fwiw.

 

[Tas]

A comparison with the Fremantle game is completely irrelevant to what we are discussing here.

Nevertheless as far as I am concerned, Boomers efforts were at exactly the same level in both of those games.

Irrespective you are one of those negative posters who shit me to tears. Lighten up, try to be positive for a change and enjoy the fact that firstly we won and won quite nicely on Sunday and secondly we are going to play finals, with or without Boomer.

lol you think Boomers 20 score involvements against one of the flag contenders were comparable to his near zero impact for 3 quarters against one of the spoon contenders?

Look, I get it that a lot of people are blindly loyal to our players, but don't start quoting me and saying I am not being reasonable when you say that dribble, as Pagan would say, "Don't piss on my back and tell me it is raining."

If he worked just as hard that scrub wouldn't have come within a country mile of him, wouldn't have got under his skin and we would have won by over 100 points.

Our team has leadership and discipline issues, and have had them since Pagan has left the club.

 

[the big lebowski]

The reaction on here is blowing my mind. I honestly thought I was on the main board reading these posts.

He got scragged from behind off the ball. Had a wrestle. That's it. Can't believe y'all seeing it and something worse. You got lakes (rocks) in your head.

You may have missed the part where Boomer used his elbow/forearm to pin down Picken via his throat.

 

[Saintly31]

I'm taking most of these posts on how people see the tribunal will see it & not essentially as their personal opinion.

I'm totally with you on your take, fwiw.

As much as I hate the Tribunal/MRP and so on (hence my comment in Wells thread) I see this as different.

If Boomer misses a final due to stupid off the ball wrestling, I will be more pissed off at him than anything else for lack of discipline and letting the team down.

 

[Private Hudson]

He will get 3 weeks mark it down.

 

[Roos Addick]

You may have missed the part where Boomer used his elbow/forearm to pin down Picken via his throat.

You might of missed the part were he was tackled 30m off the ball and held down by his jumper while he had his arm across him, for how long? 3 secs max. It a wrestle in my book.

 

[the big lebowski]

He will get 3 weeks mark it down.

Marked down.

 

[chubbspeterson]

I reckon its in the 1-2 weeks bracket but knowing our luck he'll get 3 probably.
The "bodyslam" comes under wrestling (fine usually) for mine. The elbow in the throat is a one weeker for mine, not a good look but Picken's reaction tells me he wasn't struggling to breath or anything. If they were standing up the pushing of the elbow wouldn't look as bad.
Does the force of the elbow come into it? Could be argued low impact given Picken's non-plussed reaction

 

[Grogg]

As much as I hate the Tribunal/MRP and so on (hence my comment in Wells thread) I see this as different.

If Boomer misses a final due to stupid off the ball wrestling, I will be more pissed off at him than anything else for lack of discipline and letting the team down.

Can understand that given Boomer's experience, etc.

He's got a temper, the opposition know it as do his teammates. I'd like a little more proactive support from the team as a whole and the comments in here on the Crowley towelling are interesting. I remember some of our blokes really getting into Crowley at every opportunity and that must have given Harvey a real boost in confidence. Too often blokes like Harvey and Wells are left hanging by their teammates, Sunday was the same. Personally I can't be overly critical of Boomer for snapping, tbh.

 

[Engimal]

Just occurred to me that Harvey can probably say goodbye to his AA chances too. Will miss two games and the AA selectors are the kind of people to go on public opinion.

 

[Juryduty]

Mark Fraser on AFL TV has just said Harvey is going to tribunal for 2 reasons the throw over the shoulder which Fraser said in his own words 'that he had never seen before' and second the elbow to the throat.

Bugger

 

[Wild Bill]

Mark Fraser on AFL TV has just said Harvey is going to tribunal for 2 reasons the throw over the shoulder which Fraser said in his own words 'that he had never seen before' and second the elbow to the throat.

Bugger

The throw is nothing - if the ******* was not on his back boomer could not flip him. No way he gets anything for that.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Mark Fraser on AFL TV has just said Harvey is going to tribunal for 2 reasons the throw over the shoulder which Fraser said in his own words 'that he had never seen before' and second the elbow to the throat.

Bugger

MRP member, so his IQ isn't very high.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

The throw is nothing - if the ******* was not on his back boomer could not flip him. No way he gets anything for that.

Picken has a good 10 kg and cm on boomer, but yes boomer is the bully running around throwing people over his back, Fraser is a dip**** of the highest order.

 

[Grogg]

10 to 1 Fraser sleeps with the light on and has a plastic protector on his bed.

Blouse.

 

[blackshadow]

Mark Fraser on AFL TV has just said Harvey is going to tribunal for 2 reasons the throw over the shoulder which Fraser said in his own words 'that he had never seen before' and second the elbow to the throat.

Bugger

The throw could be the result of Picken holding on to Boomer... so Boomer bends over trying to get him off and ends up flipping him because Picken is holding on and then a wrestle ensues. If that's the case then he should get off on everything bar a fine for wrestling.

Fortunately/unfortunately the vision of Picken being flipped is hardly conclusive and the better footage shows an elbow to Picken's neck and that isn't a good look.

Who knows what the tribunal will make of it.

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[Kangaroos4eva]

The throw could be the result of Picken holding on to Boomer... so Boomer bends over trying to get him off and ends up flipping him because Picken is holding on and then a wrestle ensues. If that's the case then he should get off on everything bar a fine for wrestling.

Fortunately/unfortunately the vision of Picken being flipped is hardly conclusive and the better footage shows an elbow to Picken's neck and that isn't a good look.

Who knows what the tribunal will make of it.

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WWJZG

 

[blackshadow]

WWJZG

11 weeks.

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[Horace]

lol you think Boomers 20 score involvements against one of the flag contenders were comparable to his near zero impact for 3 quarters against one of the spoon contenders?

Look, I get it that a lot of people are blindly loyal to our players, but don't start quoting me and saying I am not being reasonable when you say that dribble, as Pagan would say, "Don't piss on my back and tell me it is raining."

If he worked just as hard that scrub wouldn't have come within a country mile of him, wouldn't have got under his skin and we would have won by over 100 points.

Our team has leadership and discipline issues, and have had them since Pagan has left the club.

And once again you bring in issues totally irrelevant to what is the debate here.

If you are unhappy with leadership and discipline issues then start a separate thread on the matter, or better still write a letter to the club and make your concerns known there. Otherwise spare us your irrelevant thoughts.

 

[Juryduty]

The throw could be the result of Picken holding on to Boomer... so Boomer bends over trying to get him off and ends up flipping him because Picken is holding on and then a wrestle ensues. If that's the case then he should get off on everything bar a fine for wrestling.

Fortunately/unfortunately the vision of Picken being flipped is hardly conclusive and the better footage shows an elbow to Picken's neck and that isn't a good look.

Who knows what the tribunal will make of it.

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Still shouldn't the throw be in the category of not enough force to warrant a suspension, wasn't that bad

 

[Saintly31]

Can understand that given Boomer's experience, etc.

He's got a temper, the opposition know it as do his teammates. I'd like a little more proactive support from the team as a whole and the comments in here on the Crowley towelling are interesting. I remember some of our blokes really getting into Crowley at every opportunity and that must have given Harvey a real boost in confidence. Too often blokes like Harvey and Wells are left hanging by their teammates, Sunday was the same. Personally I can't be overly critical of Boomer for snapping, tbh.

Yep, fair point and totally agree about your bold.

I also wouldn't have a huge problem with snapping as any player can only be pushed so far. Even if he scragged the guy and gave him a mouthful I could understand.

But the arm on the throat (given Lake just recently - different incident I know) is just unnecessarily, and IMO very stupidly, asking for trouble whether he gets weeks or otherwise.

I also feel his temper as you rightly put it is a significant flaw in his game, it has hurt us previously and it may just hurt us come week one finals.