2nd in a Series: Do you remember?: John Peck.

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Gary Shadforth

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I well remember my formative years as a teenager in Box Hill. Friday nights and Saturdays were special. I would hang out with ‘The Gang’ in what was then a country town in outer eastern Melbourne. It was before the Stangers were admitted to the VFA.

There were about eight or ten of us. We would meet up at the Whitehorse statue to go to Saturday dances, venues - either Balwyn RSL Hall (a teenage Ernie Sigley of Radio 3DB was the compere singer) or the grand old Box Hill Town Hall. One of the mob had a mate named Johnny who would now and again make cameo appearances by being amongst us. I recall this kid as rather quiet and reserved not having much to say as we jaw-boned about this and that, not to mention the local sheilas.

Sunday morning was traditionally a few beers before mum’s roast lunch and watching Channel 7’s World of Sport hosted by the late great Ron Casey and the evergreen former Collingwood captain and ankle tapper, Lou Richards. Low and behold, you could have knocked me down with a feather, when one day this familiar face appeared on the screen - it was this young Johnny being interviewed by Lou and Captain Blood, Jack Dyer. The kid was Hawthorn’s boom recruit from Surrey Hills (a part of the Box Hill district).

So from that day on a magnificent VFL career unfolded.

Best remembered as a full forward, John was tried, with varying success, in several different positions - ruck, centre half back, centre half forward - before finding his true niche at the goal front.* Powerful, intelligent, pacy and a thumping kick, Peck topped Hawthorn's goal kicking list on every year between 1961 and 1966, and was the VFL's top goal kicker in 1963 with 75 goals, 1964 (68) and 1965 (56).*

Nicknamed 'Gregory' (after the actor Gregory Peck), as much for his habit of staging exaggeratedly for frees as for the obvious play on words, he showed great courage in overcoming the handicap of asthma to play successfully at the top level.*

In all, John played 213 VFL games and kicked 475 goals for the Hawks, and was vice-captain of the historic 1961 premiership team, the club's first.* He also played interstate football for the VFL, and after one match against South Australia in Adelaide in 1963 he found himself at the centre of a controversy when his callous felling of Brian Sawley incurred only a two week suspension at the hands of a ‘sympathetic’ VFL Tribunal which presumably considered that Peck had reacted to extenuating circumstances. A victim of something worse than ye olde squirrel grip.*

In 1967 John Peck was cleared to Port Melbourne, where he played mainly as a ruckman.* The last of his 19 games for the club was that year's losing VFA grand final against Dandenong.

And in discussing 1961, there's always something special about anything done for the first time, so Hawthorn's breakthrough premiership win bears special significance at Glenferrie. This was the coming of age for Hawthorn, a club which, since its entry into the competition in 1925, had been the whipping boy for the more established sides.

Driven by John Peck in the ruck and Brendan Edwards in the centre, Hawthorn exerted grinding pressure on Footscray which, by halfway through the third term, was clearly begun to wilt. With the scent of victory in the air there was no way this Hawthorn side was going to let go. It didn't and so one of the greatest games in VFL history brought us our first ever premiership by forty three points.

Let’s delve into that Peck-Sawley incident.

John became famous for what was known as the "Peck punch".

Victoria clashed with South Australia in an interstate match at Adelaide Oval. Peck, contesting a boundary throw-in against SA's Brian Sawley, stumbled and fell. Peck claimed Sawley's boot made contact with his backside.

In so doing, the boot became caught in the belt of Peck's jockstrap. Sawley's vain attempt to extricate the boot stretched the elastic away from Peck's body, putting excruciating upward pressure on the parts of the body the jockstrap was designed to protect.

Finally the boot was freed and the elastic snapped back, stinging Peck's buttocks. According to Peck's account, this was the last straw. He rose from the turf, and with a round arm, knocked Sawley unconscious.

At the tribunal Peck pleaded extreme provocation and escaped with a two-match penalty.

Mr Sawley, when being interviewed before this year’s Grand Final, he had no comment on the way back incident. "It was one of the things that happens in football," he said. "I've always said that if I had kicked he he would have known all about it."

Some images of the late John ‘Gregory’ Peck -

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Do you have memories of John?
 
John Peck, an interesting player.

I never saw him play, all I've seen is the dvd of the 1961 GF, and he looked a real star. I only really took an interest in the Hawks in 1968 when I spotted Peter Hudson, and although I saw some VFL footy in 1966, I didn't notice Peck at all.

One question Gary may be able to answer is did the recruitment of Peter Hudson mean a pre-mature retirement from VFL by Peck? I've heard stories that Peck's nose was put out of joint by the Hawks' pursuit of the brilliant Hudson.

Being from SA, I grew up believing Peck was a bit of a wild man because of that punch in the 1963 state match, and Jack Dyer also included him in his book "Wild Men of Football". I since found out this was an isolated incident and Peck was very much a ball player.

Brian Sawley played for my SA club Norwood, and I did have opportunity to speak with Brian several years ago. Brian is adamant it was an accidental contact and that Peck over-reacted.

If you see the incident, Peck really had his back to the action and really couldn't have known if Sawley's actions were deliberate. "Doctored" footage since, highlights a kick with a dubbed audio which really doesn't do the incident many favours.

I guess we all have our moments in life when we "lose it", and that was Peck's. All I'll say is it was one hell of a punch, and it obviously wasn't a smart decision to antagonize Peck :)
 
In 1967 John Peck was cleared to Port Melbourne, where he played mainly as a ruckman.* The last of his 19 games for the club was that year's losing VFA grand final against Dandenong.

I recall that Final when Port played Dandenong was at the Punt Road oval. Port were being soundly beaten, and believed the umpires were cheating so staged a walk off.


Let’s delve into that Peck-Sawley incident.

John became famous for what was known as the "Peck punch".

Victoria clashed with South Australia in an interstate match at Adelaide Oval. Peck, contesting a boundary throw-in against SA's Brian Sawley, stumbled and fell. Peck claimed Sawley's boot made contact with his backside.

This was a big issue, so big that it made front page news of the Herald with slow motion pictures of the punch, Sawley was unconscious for some time, he stayed overnight in hospital. It was as big a punch as Barry Hall's on Glass x 10 times. Funny though the Pope had died the same day, news of his death was moved to page 2 of the newspaper.

Peck was responsible for kicking the winning goal after the siren at Victoria Park that delivered the Hawks first ever victory against Collingwood at their home ground. Peck kicked what some believe was a dubious goal (it may have been a point) its history now, we won.

Great player, tough (butcher by trade) and uncompromised. I think he is the youngest player to have played for the Hawks.
 

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This was a big issue, so big that it made front page news of the Herald with slow motion pictures of the punch, Sawley was unconscious for some time, he stayed overnight in hospital. It was as big a punch as Barry Hall's on Glass x 10 times. Funny though the Pope had died the same day, news of his death was moved to page 2 of the newspaper.

That reminds me of "The Sun" when reporting Ian Meckiff's inclusion in the 1st Test team in Brisbane against South Africa in November 1963. This was a controversial inclusiuon as chucking had been all the talk at the time.

The headline in the Sun read "MECKIFF IS BACK IN TEST TEAM" .... and to one side in smaller letters .... "The Shooting of JFK" :)
 
One story I heard was that between the 1966 and 1967 seasons Hawthorn invited all the young players to a function but did not invite the senior players (incl. John Peck). Peck took that as a sign he was no longer wanted, and that, along with the arrival of Hudson saw him choose to depart for Port Melbourne.

Don't know how true it is... best person to ask would be Graham Arthur.

I don't know who wore #23 before Peck, but when people talk about it being a special number i.e. Scott, Brereton and Franklin... don't forget to add Peck.

Wonderful tough player in the Kennedy mould.

I met him around 1974/5 through his work. Wish I had asked for his autograph.

Sadly missed.
 
Rusty Hawk,

Tall and gangly... you might be thinking of Ken Beck a 6' 6" (198cm) skinny ruckman. Peck was 6' 2" (188 cm) and a more solid build.
 
I don't know who wore #23 before Peck, but when people talk about it being a special number i.e. Scott, Brereton and Franklin... don't forget to add Peck.

23 wasn't a big number prior to Peck. The only real player of note was Ted Fletcher who wore it from 1948 to 1952 prior to switcing to No.1 as club captain in 1953 & 54.

John McCashney wore 23 in 1953 before Peck wore it from 1954 to 1966.

A little known fact was between Scott (1981) and Brereton (1983), Paul Abbott was assigned 23 in 1982 but didn't play league that season.

Another little known fact was Don Scott was given 17 in 1966 before making his league debut wearing 23 in 1967. Oh how the Hawks history would have altered .. what number would Tucky have worn had Scotty retained 17 :)

The number went missing from 1994 to 2004 with some ordinary players wearing it, but since 2005 (Franklin), it's back baby!!!
 
My football memories really start around the 1965-66 era and I can just sort of remember a tall man who to me as a young boy seemed terribly old and gangly...

Rusty Hawk,

Tall and gangly... you might be thinking of Ken Beck a 6' 6" (198cm) skinny ruckman. Peck was 6' 2" (188 cm) and a more solid build.


Agree was probally Ken Beck, Rusty, from memory he just started therefor not old.

Peckie was also nicked named Elvis
 
What a great thread for us old Hawks. I remember John Peck, was nick named Elvis by many at Hawthorn. Those were the days when you could enter the ground to listen to the coach's address. I remember Ted Fletcher's cry "Home on the pig's back" after the address. In most games we were well and truely done by then. How times have changed!
 
Hate to admit this because it dates me, but I saw Pecky play many times. He was one of the best players in the entire VFL let alone Hawthorn in that era. A huge man and immensely strong. Impossible to move aside and although he is most remembered for winning the John Coleman three times he was also played in a number of other positions at various times as Gary says.

That Grand Final in the VFA is one of the most notorious in football history with a huge disparity in the free kick count. Also remember the listening to the Vic v SA game when he clocked Sawley. One of the greatest punches in football history. If I remember properly the commentator was screaming out "He's killed him!! He's killed him!!"

He also did a short stint on the World of Sport footy panel I think - as an expert rather than the interview Gary referred to.

I also had the good fortune to meet him in later days after he had moved to the area around Euroa. He was a very big man with forearms like tree stumps and huge hands. The first of the great Hawthorn 23s??
 

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Never saw him play,but John Peck was the reason why i supportred the mighty Hawks,as a younster back in Tassie i was collecting the footy cards and came across John Peck's one which looked fantastic with the Hawthorn football jumper and the sky blue background and i always remember his striking blue eyes.
I think he ended up playing up in Echuca as captain coach and eventually passed away up there.
 
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Adelaide Hawk said:
One question Gary may be able to answer is did the recruitment of Peter Hudson mean a pre-mature retirement from VFL by Peck? I've heard stories that Peck's nose was put out of joint by the Hawks' pursuit of the brilliant Hudson.

I have heard similar utterings, AH. I believe there was more than just the Huddo chase aspect. He was getting a bit long in the tooth and in his latter VFL years he hit the grog, chronically, to have the news hounds giving him bad press about some off-field behaviour. He frequented Graeme Richmond’s (former legendry secretary of Richmond FC) somewhat notorious hotel in Swan Street whence media reporters used to hang-around to inevitably find or even make-up scandal and innuendo on players and officials in those days. Richmond’s pub was a meeting place for many a high profile play-boy VFL star.

I have a personal belief that the demon booze addled John’s mind to an extent that he was believing no one at Hawthorn loved him any more. Nothing was further from the truth - fans and officials alike loved seeing Pecky run out with his inimitable gait at training and games. We absolutely dreaded the thought of the day when he would hang up the boots at Glenferrie but, sadly, the writing was on the wall as he was aging, receiving bad press and Huddo was about to arrive for the latter’s much publicised arrival on the Glenferrie training track. Looking back, there was probably no room for both in the Hawthorn team. Peter Hudson had it over John as his career was coming to an end and the Taswegian was just about to launch his remarkable playing career - one of the greatest in VFL history.

It was all so heart breaking for Hawks supporters as our vice captain of the club’s first premiership team had been a real hero. John and our other hard-man, ‘Delicate’ Des Dickson, personified the Kennedy’s Commandos era of the early to mid sixties. And through all the rough his times, John remained a gentleman and approachable for the fans. I found that was the case right from the first time I met him with one of my mates attending that Saturday night dance - as mentioned in the thread opener.
 
Great reading guys.
Peck has always been a player to intrigue me somewhat, having been one of the more recent stars to have played before I graced this here earth.
Cheers:thumbsu::thumbsu:
 
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I grew up with Pecky as a kid as he was my dad's best mate. My dad was a barman at night and on the weekends at the Auburn Hotel (Now Gee Bung) and the story goes that dad was to take this young man under his wing and train him from then owner Ted Rippon. Of course my dad and his dad before him were made Hawthorn supporters (Like myself) and they got on so well they became best mates. I was to young
to appreciate watching him play and enjoy the Hawthorn players of the time coming to our house for barbecues. My brother and i called him uncle John and when we moved from Auburn to Blackburn Uncle John live a couple of streets away so he would always be at our place or us at his.
I used to be a bit intimidated by him as a kid, but later on when we were young teenagers and he had retired to Euroa and bought an aggistment properety for horses, he even had a horse called Hidden Value that i think one a race on Oaks day, my brother and i would go on very early morning drives with him to pick up meat at Seymour and he would deliver meat to butchers in Melbourne. Thats when we got to see the softer any funny side of uncle John and would love to hear his stories from his playng day.
Its true he did love a drink, just like my dad and probably working in a pub did not help but the Uncle John i knew in the end was a hard working and loyal man, and not a drunk. Pity he died of a heart attack way to young and i know his second wife Bev was devestated. PS When he got back to Melbourne from the famous S.A vs VIC game he came around to our place to have a drink with Dad. Dad said that Pecky had said Sewell had kicked him once earlier and then a second time later that is why he hit him and Dad said Pecky lifted up his shirt and there was a massive bruise the size of a dinner plate.
Hope this gives you a bit more about the guy i knew as Uncle John.



I have heard similar utterings, AH. I believe there was more than just the Huddo chase aspect. He was getting a bit long in the tooth and in his latter VFL years he hit the grog, chronically, to have the news hounds giving him bad press about some off-field behaviour. He frequented Graeme Richmond’s (former legendry secretary of Richmond FC) somewhat notorious hotel in Swan Street whence media reporters used to hang-around to inevitably find or even make-up scandal and innuendo on players and officials in those days. Richmond’s pub was a meeting place for many a high profile play-boy VFL star.

I have a personal belief that the demon booze addled John’s mind to an extent that he was believing no one at Hawthorn loved him any more. Nothing was further from the truth - fans and officials alike loved seeing Pecky run out with his inimitable gait at training and games. We absolutely dreaded the thought of the day when he would hang up the boots at Glenferrie but, sadly, the writing was on the wall as he was aging, receiving bad press and Huddo was about to arrive for the latter’s much publicised arrival on the Glenferrie training track. Looking back, there was probably no room for both in the Hawthorn team. Peter Hudson had it over John as his career was coming to an end and the Taswegian was just about to launch his remarkable playing career - one of the greatest in VFL history.

It was all so heart breaking for Hawks supporters as our vice captain of the club’s first premiership team had been a real hero. John and our other hard-man, ‘Delicate’ Des Dickson, personified the Kennedy’s Commandos era of the early to mid sixties. And through all the rough his times, John remained a gentleman and approachable for the fans. I found that was the case right from the first time I met him with one of my mates attending that Saturday night dance - as mentioned in the thread opener.
 
I grew up in Hawthorn and my mother used to shop in Burke Road where John Peck worked I think from memory in a butcher shop. I had a fairly extensive autograph book filled with most of the Hawk players of the day and my mother organised John to take it to training and round up the rest I didn't have. I wish I still had it and don't know whatever became of it . The last time I saw John was when I was old enough to get into pubs ( legally that is ) and he was in the lounge of the Whitehorse hotel making a pest of himself after a few to many. That was long after his football days were over. My footy jumpers when I was a kid always proudly sported the number 23
 
As a young support and never getting to see these great players. These threads should be put with the Hawk Eye,Box hill and Lethal lounge ones are under its own heading as they are a great read.
 
When Pecky died in 1993? there was a quarter page eulogy written in either the Age/Herald or Sun. If anyone has the skills or nous to interrogate those papers, please tell me how as I would love to post it. It captures the affection that Pecky created.

There is some old footage where he knocked the bloke out in the interstate game. If you wanna see a good punch look that one up.
 
23 wasn't a big number prior to Peck. The only real player of note was Ted Fletcher who wore it from 1948 to 1952 prior to switcing to No.1 as club captain in 1953 & 54.

The number went missing from 1994 to 2004 with some ordinary players wearing it, but since 2005 (Franklin), it's back baby!!!

Simon Crawshay?
 
Used to see Pecky often in Glenferrie Road when he worked for a wholesale butcher, always hed time to say G'day as he lugged the carcases into the butcher's shops.

I always associate Alan Woodley with Peck, as they often shared ruck duties together, and were a forceful combination.
 
Used to see Pecky often in Glenferrie Road when he worked for a wholesale butcher, always hed time to say G'day as he lugged the carcases into the butcher's shops.

I always associate Alan Woodley with Peck, as they often shared ruck duties together, and were a forceful combination.

Number 24...my namesake. Alan is my cousin and I would go to the football every Saturday with a neighbor Les Pabst and his son Graeme. Les was a 10 year player for Hawthorn. Because of Alan and Les being a 10 year player we were able to get into the rooms before and after the games as well as half time.

We were therefore able to see John Peck up close and hear what he had to say about different opposition players. I think the favored term is "colorful". He was a lovely bloke and always treated us kids well. He knew our names and would have a laugh and a joke with us, especially if we were mascots that day, threatening to bury us in the Glenferrie mud.
 

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