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I had seriously thought the Australian public was smart enough to not blame music for violence and social ills, like America does, but here we are.
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I don't think music plays any part in it. But I wouldn't be suprised if some of the gangs here sympathise,idolise and incorporate the gang culture from America.
Then they play the downtrodden victim of society, with violence and crime as the means which they rebel against society and general order(their parents, teachers, police etc).
I always wonder what happens to the guys in these violent gangs. What do they become when they are 30 years of age or 40? Are they a bank teller for the ANZ, doing some manual labour on a factory site or a heroin addict lying in the gutter or doing 10 years in jail for assualt and armed robbery. I have often wondered this. Roaming around in gangs must have a time limit on it I would have thought. At some stage you are too old for it, then you have to move on to something else with your life.
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They always do it when I'm on trains so yes.
Whites and others.
You seem to have a racist thing against white Aussies.
Bogan Aussie references all the time.
smasha
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Most people it doesn't affect but in the wrong minds it does.
You can argue with me all you like because you know that is true.
smasha
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I see it on public transport all the time.
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Smasha is it the music itself or is it what it represents ie a struggle against society and order?
IMO young people who have identity problems or problems fitting into to mainstream society can identify with the lyrics and societal anger in some of this type of music and american gang culture.
smasha
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Yeah,you're probably right.
There's people who can control their emotions and can listen to this stuff without affecting them then there are the angry ant types who do get affected the same as when one person drinks a beer and wants to hug everyone while another bloke will want to punch everyone's lights out.
Stuff in the wrong hands.
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i always be nice to these sort of people.
There were 2 africans in the NT at the Victory GF and I gave em a firm handshake.
Spose there's good n evil in every race on Earth.
I've noticed women are getting more violent and loud these days too.
What about those women who get laid and then divorce to collect baby money.
Disgrace.
They are only young too.
There were 2 africans in the NT at the Victory GF and I gave em a firm handshake.
Spose there's good n evil in every race on Earth.
I've noticed women are getting more violent and loud these days too.
What about those women who get laid and then divorce to collect baby money.
Disgrace.
They are only young too.
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- #337
No they were listening to punk. More anger crap music
And during the early 1900's? Or the Crusades?
What was the music around then that was forcing people to be violent?
Shirley you cant be serious.
Im an ex metel head, still am really so I dont think its the 'music' that encourages bad behaviour. If it did, Id regularly be sacrificing my pets. However, You cant suggest that the 'Gangsta' culture isnt influenced by the lyrics of the music they listen to.
Admit it or I'll pop a cap in you ass.
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- #340
Shirley you cant be serious.
Im an ex metel head, still am really so I dont think its the 'music' that encourages bad behaviour. If it did, Id regularly be sacrificing my pets. However, You cant suggest that the 'Gangsta' culture isnt influenced by the lyrics of the music they listen to.
Admit it or I'll pop a cap in you ass.
Matey, the lyrics and music are influenced by the lives of the people living the gangsta culture.
Blaming music/movies/video games for social problems is a massive cop out. A cop out I thought only North American Bible Belt loonies used.
Doom, Marilyn Manson and Eminem caused Columbine, right?
yep, art and music etc are a nothing more than a mirror to society.
Blaming them for shit is as ludicrous as trying to claim the figure looking back at you in the mirror influences your actions, rather than vice versa
I agree with your point Karl. But the australian gangs appear to emulate the gangsta culture in part or in whole. So my question would be, why do they do it(our gangs) and what is the solution?
Like you, I don't believe in censorship of music/games/movies(within reason of course) but what are the practical ways and means we as a society can do to discourage them from copying this anti social lifestyle?
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The point is, the behaviour has always been there. It doesn't matter if they're emulating the style/music of Hiphop culture, punk culture, sharpie culture etc because its just fashion and music, it isn't behaviour.
Gangsta rap peaked in popularity in the 90's, but street violence was worse in the 80's and 00's.
It isn't a lifestyle, its a culture. And there's nothing to suggest that culture influences people to be violent. It might influence people that are already violent, to be violent whilst listening to Hiphop and wearing baggy pants, but who really cares what they're wearing and listening to? They're superfluous to the problem.
Fact is, youing men are violent, espeically those from working class and immigrant backgrounds. Perhaps if we had some actual police on teh street instead of racking up speeding fines we might reduce the severity of the attacks. Or if we allow smoking back into pubs to stop people getting too paraletic. Or if we repealed the legislation allowing 24 hour nightclubs.
The biggest cause of violence is binge drinking, which is part of Australian culture. To blame it on Hiphop is just convenient because it means we can act like our country is 'pure' and that the only bad aspects of it are imported from other countries.
You make some good points.
What I was referring to in my post was specifically about gangs and if there is any practical way to try and reduce the amount of gangs and gang type violence here.I guess the thing I wonder about is that the cause of some of the gangs in other countries(rebelling about being downtrodden by society and order) might not apply in Australia. I would think that it would be easier for a young person to make something of themselves in Australia than in say parts of new york or parts of Paris, or is this oversimplifying it?
It would be interesting to know the statistics of gangs here now compared to in the 90's and 80's.
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- #345
The gangs in Melbourne aren't organised crime gangs like in New York or LA though. They generally don't make a profit from running anything, they just like violence.
Best thing for me was joining a boxing gym and seeing that I was, in reality, pissweak compared to a real fighter.
I think society emasculates young men through school and the media, so they prove themselves through any number of activities like football, boxing, drinking or violence.
Best thing for me was joining a boxing gym and seeing that I was, in reality, pissweak compared to a real fighter.
I think society emasculates young men through school and the media, so they prove themselves through any number of activities like football, boxing, drinking or violence.
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I drink and I'm never violent but some people go ape droppings.
Same I think with music.
Normally I would agree with you. Im a fan of all of the above and Im an awesome bloke. But this gangsta crap that I hear first hand on a regular basis is an exception to the rule.
I find it hard to explain or justify to myself as to why I feel this way about this type of music. I was a bit of an NWA fan myself years back, not for the hatred in it but for the comedy. Some of the lyrics I hear coming form the neighbours house is downright wrong. Just wrong. Im sure that it has had a negative affect on the kids listening to it. I seriously have no idea how kids can even relate to this stuff in Australia. Its not a product of our environment.
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Neither is rock and roll.
A word of warning from a septic in the US. You fellas better put a cap on this kind of shit real quick. Get tough and start making examples out of these thugs, or it will get worse day-by-day. There is no pussy footing around it. Excuses of societal upbringing are weak and false, and it doesn't make you a progressive thinker to lie to yourself and say "look where they come from, they don't know any better." This is the kind of garbage the media has fed us the last two decades in the States, were starting to lose our taste for it and wake up. I suggest you all do the same.
Have a good one.
Have a good one.
