Player Watch #38 Noah Cumberland - Delisted

[4tune8]

I'd say the adoration is justified. At the end of the day at its basic level footy is fwds are there to kick goals. Comparing him with his fellow Tiger miss. In his first season playing seniors 19 goals in 9 games including a game winning 5 goals against arguably the best defence in the comp when you're the 4th option is a phenomenal result. His 2nd year he was treated terribly by the coaches and still managed 9 goals in 8 games. He kicks 3 goals in a 1/4 against the Dees without Lynch then gets double and triple teamed by Cotchins/ Graham's/Riolis opponents. And gets crucified by the coaches and plenty of sycophants around bigfooty like wtf did people expect him to kick 12 for the day?

Now while he was getting bagged for getting nullified it's worth noting none of his freed up medium/ small team mates bobbed up and did jacksh1t in the following 3/4 when they were unopposed. There was another game where our fwd line looked horrible. Cumberland came on as sub and all of a sudden we had a spark he was hitting up leading teammates creating goals. His form was hot and cold last year, he was heavily criticised and several times singled out by Hardwick.

Once reporters latched on that in press conferences he could've shut it down and given them nothing and addressed it with a kid lacking confidence behind closed doors. But no Hardwick lays the boots in. Let's look at some of his fellow medium/ small forwards 2023 output. Coulthard played a great 1/4 on debut and then zilch for remainder of season. Graham might as well have been a scarecrow as a veteran player delivered bugger all. Mansell I personally don't rate but he has a crack and maximizes his limited ability so I can't really fault him.

The hyenas here were deafening when Cornes rightfully said Cotchins no fwd (he never was and has shown he's actually gotten really bad and unreliable up fwd the further into his career) Can't be arsed looking up his stats but he couldn't buy a goal last year and was a complete liability and was a sad sight seeing his opponents speed off from him repelling the ball non stop.

In his 300th he kicks 3. One was a phenomenal outside 50 everyone was shocked he made the distance. Another was a Benny Hill everybody slipped over and he got a cheapie. He kicks 3 in an entire game where every teammate was sooo feeding him all night and it's the second coming of Leigh Matthews. Cumberland kicks 3 in 1/4 and everyone kicks the sh1t out of him.

I personally hate the mismatch of medium fwds as they can Bob up and kick bags so personally I hope the kid gets loved and supported by Yze. Would be great to see a pick 43 turn into 150+ game player who kicks his 30 goals a season helping keep the scoreboard ticking.

The adoration that has me baffled is MRJ kicks 2 goals in approx 20 odd games (seniors/ Magoo's/ preseason) averages 2-3 effective disposals a game. Is supposed to be lightning fast yet gets run down every single time, U14 disposal quality. He's only fast when he's already at full speed running at a bloke who's flat footed actually getting the pill so it looks sexy when he comes from nowhere on tv but reality is he's 10m away at full speed obviously gonna close down someone who is just taking off. His opponents regularly rack up 25+ possies setting up attacks at will.

I'd love someone to explain the adoration for MRJ? Apparently he played 2 above average Magoo's games in midfield so people are circle jerking over his future brownlows yet Will Martyn and Patty Naish do it week in week out and are unanimously labelled spuds.

It's quite interesting when you look at those games at the end of the 2022 season.

In rnd17 he came on as the sub and bagged 2, in the next 6 games he scored 16G 10B. So 18 goals in 6 and a bit games. Pretty much 3G/game, those numbers are outstanding for basically a 1st year, 3rd 'tall' forward.

The sole reason that he had that output was because Dusty was injured and he had that license to be that 'forward striker' (Dusty's role)

I can still remember the interview with Cumbo about how Dusty's return in the EF against the Lions would affect him and I quote...

"I'll just have to keep out of his way"

Cumberland kicked a goal in that final but was largely ineffectual, completely different from the previous 6 games where he was a major contributor in getting us into the finals.

I don't know how Oooze can make it happen, but Cumbo needs to be given that same license.

 

[Grrr]

Yes he was at times , GC comes to mind , 2 marks opening minutes both pretty well out on the full there abouts ,,, didn’t touch after that , awful in any estimation

He had some awful games, most forwards do at some stage, he is after all a second year player. He was subbed out in that game from memory. Riewoldt had one game of 4 disposals and 2 of 5 last year.

He played 3 games in the last 15 at AFL level, his last in rd21 he had 13 disposals, 6 marks, 4 tackles and kicked 1.2. Quite decent I thought, dropped again.

 

[tora tora tora]

Yes he was at times , GC comes to mind , 2 marks opening minutes both pretty well out on the full there abouts ,,, didn’t touch after that , awful in any estimation

The 2023 depth players didn't do enough; Smalls MRJ, Sonsie, Clarke, Cumbo deserved to be dropped. even Coulthard later.

Ryan virtually debuted. Young was a surprise. Mansell comparatively good.

Pickett & Miller defensive fwds. yuk. Wing or KPD please

Lucky Hopper was so injury prone and kept Cotch in the middle.

 

[beema limapep]

If only Cumberland was given the same number of chances as Ralphsmith, Grimes and Graham last year. He might have played himself into form.

 

[Rubber Hips]

few of us have always believed

seeing the cumdawg pushing up to the left foot wing then winning the ball and breaking free owning it, through the sticks from 55 time n time again early in the vfl years

love his honesty

with the right coaching building his belief fugn look out

if youre reading this cumdawg love ya

agree…he has the attributes

committed to fitness…trains well
great tackler….

lethal left foot

knows where the goals are

…new coach
…via renewed confidence Cumbo will build consistency

…i have faith 2024 will be a breakout year for NC

 

[Karp3_dm]

agree…he has the attributes

committed to fitness…trains well
great tackler….

lethal left foot

knows where the goals are

…new coach
…via renewed confidence Cumbo will build consistency

…i have faith 2024 will be a breakout year for NC

Only a derailing injury can stop the Cumbo train from here on

 

[THE_GUN]

Only a derailing injury can stop the Cumbo train from here on

Kid has too many things going on in the top paddock

needs to sorth that issue out , Nothing wrong with his footy or his physically

 

[Karp3_dm]

Kid has too many things going on in the top paddock

needs to sorth that issue out , Nothing wrong with his footy or his physically

U watch that recent 30 min interview with him?

It’s clicked
campaigners gonna dominate

 

[sregit]

He'll only get delisted if he stinks it up, which would be unlikely but you never know. He has too many good attributes. We hold onto so many players limited players who nearly all eventually get delisted in the end, we can't afford to throw away the one's with real talent. He has shown plenty, just missing some pieces that were very high on Dimma's priorities.

Pumping up Cumberland by fan boy supporters won't save his neck. He stunk it up all 2023. At this stage he’s just ordinary and will need to put up or he’s gone. I hope he can but seriously doubt it.

 

[THE_GUN]

U watch that recent 30 min interview with him?

It’s clicked
campaigners gonna dominate

Reminded me of that interview with Ben Lemon


You know : Vibrant

 

[lizard man]

He definitely has talent … looking forward to his 2024 season

 

[tora tora tora]

U watch that recent 30 min interview with him?

It’s clicked
campaigners gonna dominate

Yeah. A deep interview really. Males generally reach maturity at 25.
Cumberland, Sonsie Bauer and Ryan look like they have physically matured a bit more.
Cumberland will get games at some point and he has to stay involved, get a bit more accurate with kicking if possible. I don't know if he has that attribute yet until he plays

Small fwd position is impossible to be fully involved if the delivery into the fwd line ain't good.
We also have a glut of that type so if we aren't winning I would expect selection rotation.

 

[Grrr]

Pumping up Cumberland by fan boy supporters won't save his neck. He stunk it up all 2023. At this stage he’s just ordinary and will need to put up or he’s gone. I hope he can but seriously doubt it.

Fan boy is a bit derogatory. He gets backed in because he showed a lot in '22, but was disappointing in '23. Sonsie was the same, maybe worse. You'd say the same about Dow until he finally got a go in the middle of the ground.

I would say Dimma stunk it up in 2023 as well, doesn't mean he can't reassess or whatever you might call it, and come good at GC. There are many factors that make a player or a coach have good years or not. Cumberland went through what a good percentage of second year players go through, especially medium forward types.

Does Cumberland have natural footy smarts or just natural athletic attributes in the same mould as Gary Rohan, that is a legitimate concern. But hedging on the glass half full side does not make you a fanboy, just a pretty normal football follower.

 

[Hank Heavenly]

Then he is a suburban footballer and wont succeed at AFL if he doesnt learn

Whats his pass mark for 2023
15+ games and 25+ Goals imo


Running out of time cumbo

25 goals puts him in the top 50 in the comp.

that means he up there with kozi , Balta (if he plays there), Bolton and Dusty to sit behind Lynch on the goal kicking list.

For reference, Jack kicked 32 and Bolton 31 last year, Dusty 25 and TT 19.

That's not a pass mark, that's an above average season

 

[lllscroatlll]

U watch that recent 30 min interview with him?

It’s clicked
campaigners gonna dominate

you big beautiful fanboy you

 

[THE_GUN]

25 goals puts him in the top 50 in the comp.

that means he up there with kozi , Balta (if he plays there), Bolton and Dusty to sit behind Lynch on the goal kicking list.

He is not just a 19 year old kid any longer and 2023 is the year he needs to make a position his own.
SPP , Jack Higgins both kicked over 30 goals last year and even jayden Stephenson gets 20 playing every where

1 goal a game will not cut it from cumberland and he doesnt provide much anywhere else and is basically judged on his goals
Dusty , Bolton spend a lot more time mid.

Sure if he gets 15+ touches a game 2-3 tackles then go by his game rather than goals but 6/7 touches and 1 goal is not really what we pass from a player thats been here 5 years

He is a goal kicker and has shown glimpse thats what is expecte

 

[Hank Heavenly]

He is not just a 19 year old kid any longer and 2023 is the year he needs to make a position his own.
SPP , Jack Higgins both kicked over 30 goals last year and even jayden Stephenson gets 20 playing every where

1 goal a game will not cut it from cumberland and he doesnt provide much anywhere else and is basically judged on his goals
Dusty , Bolton spend a lot more time mid.

Sure if he gets 15+ touches a game 2-3 tackles then go by his game rather than goals but 6/7 touches and 1 goal is not really what we pass from a player thats been here 5 years

He is a goal kicker and has shown glimpse thats what is expecte

Why would 1 goal a game for what is a third/fourth string fwd not be considered a pass mark??

I agree, that he has potential to do a lot better... But on here, it's either Elite or bust... it's rediculous the expectations put on players.

 

[Bojangles17]

He had some awful games, most forwards do at some stage, he is after all a second year player. He was subbed out in that game from memory. Riewoldt had one game of 4 disposals and 2 of 5 last year.

He played 3 games in the last 15 at AFL level, his last in rd21 he had 13 disposals, 6 marks, 4 tackles and kicked 1.2. Quite decent I thought, dropped again.

I think the role that was set for him very much detracted from his raw talents , Dimma was adamant he had to guard grass like a bull terrier before he could pounce on a loose ball , twas all fkd up and went to custard . The coaching change is a fresh chance as he was going nowhere under Dimma

 

[Bojangles17]

Fan boy is a bit derogatory. He gets backed in because he showed a lot in '22, but was disappointing in '23. Sonsie was the same, maybe worse. You'd say the same about Dow until he finally got a go in the middle of the ground.

I would say Dimma stunk it up in 2023 as well, doesn't mean he can't reassess or whatever you might call it, and come good at GC. There are many factors that make a player or a coach have good years or not. Cumberland went through what a good percentage of second year players go through, especially medium forward types.

Does Cumberland have natural footy smarts or just natural athletic attributes in the same mould as Gary Rohan, that is a legitimate concern. But hedging on the glass half full side does not make you a fanboy, just a pretty normal football follower.

Def footy smarts , but he’s less about left and right structures , but at 3G a game , we can compromise

 

[Livonski]

Def footy smarts , but he’s less about left and right structures , but at 3G a game , we can compromise

That Melbourne game is the illustration of the dilemma we have with Noah.
Kicks 3 in the first quarter, we're all over the Dees.
Then goes missing and his opponent (Hibberd ffs, now retired cos he's cooked) gets 25 touches while keeping Noah on ice.
That was the issue. Hibberd became the conduit for Melbs attack for the last 3 qtrs and Noahs ability to stop that was zero.
The coaches just needed him to learn how to do that and play that role for us...while kicking goals.
I reckon the penny has dropped. He's ripping fit, more mature and ready to launch.

 

[Bojangles17]

Im curious

That Melbourne game is the illustration of the dilemma we have with Noah.
Kicks 3 in the first quarter, we're all over the Dees.
Then goes missing and his opponent (Hibberd ffs, now retired cos he's cooked) gets 25 touches while keeping Noah on ice.
That was the issue. Hibberd became the conduit for Melbs attack for the last 3 qtrs and Noahs ability to stop that was zero.
The coaches just needed him to learn how to do that and play that role for us...while kicking goals.
I reckon the penny has dropped. He's ripping fit, more mature and ready to launch.

dimma prob tore him a new r soul for not standing in the right zone when oppo were exiting d50

 

[Tiger71]

I want Cumbo to do well, hell I want all our kids to do well BUT the major concern that I have with Cumbo is that he always breaks the golden rule in team footy. You never stop while play is going on around you. When you do this, you leave your team one short in the contest and the impact of that filters down and can cost games. It's rare as hens teeth when a player does it ( not talking disputing a decision when the play has stopped) but with Cumberland, he does it often and that is a huge red flag. IMO he has all the natural talent in the world to have been a second round pick but IMO that one major flaw in his character/game is the reason he was picked where he was.

The only way I believe he will change that is if the penny drops and that's hard for kids to do.

 

[THE_GUN]

Why would 1 goal a game for what is a third/fourth string fwd not be considered a pass mark??

I agree, that he has potential to do a lot better... But on here, it's either Elite or bust... it's rediculous the expectations put on players.

1 goal a game is fine


But not if he does jack sh!t apart from that and offers no defensive or other parts of his game

Ben Lennon could have kicked 1 goal a game but did nothing else

 

[Livonski]

Im curious

dimma prob tore him a new r soul for not standing in the right zone when oppo were exiting d50

Well he wouldn't have learnt the game plan that morning.

 

[Lsta062]

I hope Cumberland plays in the Opening Round against Gold Coast and kicks their ass just to show Hardwick who he took for granted all this time