Player Watch #38 Noah Cumberland - Delisted

[Vassp]

Pumping up Cumberland by fan boy supporters won't save his neck. He stunk it up all 2023. At this stage he’s just ordinary and will need to put up or he’s gone. I hope he can but seriously doubt it.

are you alright ? What are you saying?

 

[THE THIN MAN]

First thing is he has to be where the footy is not where the footy ain't!

 

[Drunken Wookie]

Reminded me of that interview with Ben Lemon


You know : Vibrant

what do you bring to the team? I'm a vibrator.

 

[Bojangles17]

I hope Cumberland plays in the Opening Round against Gold Coast and kicks their ass just to show Hardwick who he took for granted all this time

Ditto

 

[sregit]

are you alright ? What are you saying?

I’m saying Cumberland is bog ordinary. Can’t you read?

 

[Vassp]

I’m saying Cumberland is bog ordinary. Can’t you read?

you must have missed 2022 then. the kid proved he can play, and play very well. Dimma threw his toys out of the cott and CUmbo was one of them. even though we had heaps of senior players (on much bigger pay packets mind you) playing ORDINARY.
Perspective.
I can read, I just couldn't understand your logic.

 

[Grrr]

I want Cumbo to do well, hell I want all our kids to do well BUT the major concern that I have with Cumbo is that he always breaks the golden rule in team footy. You never stop while play is going on around you. When you do this, you leave your team one short in the contest and the impact of that filters down and can cost games. It's rare as hens teeth when a player does it ( not talking disputing a decision when the play has stopped) but with Cumberland, he does it often and that is a huge red flag. IMO he has all the natural talent in the world to have been a second round pick but IMO that one major flaw in his character/game is the reason he was picked where he was.

The only way I believe he will change that is if the penny drops and that's hard for kids to do.

To me that is the least of a players problem. I was like that when I first started footy after being a basketballer. The senior players just drilled me until you do it. Didn't take long. Cumberland's problem is between the ears, that stuff just gets easier the longer you play because it is every training session, every match replay, every coaching assessment.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

you must have missed 2022 then. the kid proved he can play, and play very well. Dimma threw his toys out of the cott and CUmbo was one of them. even though we had heaps of senior players (on much bigger pay packets mind you) playing ORDINARY.
Perspective.
I can read, I just couldn't understand your logic.

Cumberland has to accept responsibility for his poor form. No matter what sins are being cast the coaches way in his treatment of Cumberland, Cumberland is paid to play footy.

 

[lizard man]

He’s gonna be a gun! Can’t wait to see him get his mojo back in 2024!

 

[Karp3_dm]

 

[Maurice Mitchell]

I’m saying Cumberland is bog ordinary. Can’t you read?

Let it go, Dimma

 

[beema limapep]

Gifted games in 2023:-

Dylan Grimes

2

Dylan Grimes

Age

33

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.3

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

2.4

4star

MG

136.0

2star

D

12.2

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

4.8

3star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

136.0

2star

D

9.4

3star

K

3.8

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

- 22
Marlion Pickett

50

Marlion Pickett

Age

33

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

5.5

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.3

5star

CL

1.5

4star

D

11.7

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

5.0

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.6

4star

CL

1.3

4star

D

12.8

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.6

4star

- 21
Jack Graham

17

Jack Graham

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.2

5star

CL

1.2

4star

D

14.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

7.0

5star

CL

3.2

5star

- 20
Rhyan Mansell - 16
Hugo Ralphsmith - 13

Noah Cumberland games in 2023 - 9.

All fringe players based on form, but only one wasnt persisted with and only one has a massive upside.

There is something wrong with this picture.

 

[Vassp]

Cumberland has to accept responsibility for his poor form. No matter what sins are being cast the coaches way in his treatment of Cumberland, Cumberland is paid to play footy.

You are very wrong, he is an emerging talent that needs development, not an established player!
kids coming through are not held to the same expectations as established players, this is a Fact.
my point still stands though, we had established players playing way below par.

 

[Rayzorwire]

Strongly sensing this Player Watch thread has the potential to dethrone Stack's record - unthinkable!

Our Sydney retired with the jaw-dropping record haul of 220.77 posts to his Player Watch Thread for each game of football he played. Not even several premiership champions combined can dream of such consistent affection and attention.

Yet here is Cumbo, currently tracking very strongly on 150.72 posts per game, without a single scandal to his name yet!

Is there a chance he could even overtake Sydney before rd.1?

 

[Muddiemoose]

Gifted games in 2023:-

Dylan Grimes - 22
Marlion Pickett - 21
Jack Graham - 20
Rhyan Mansell - 16
Hugo Ralphsmith - 13

Noah Cumberland games in 2023 - 9.

All fringe players based on form, but only one wasnt persisted with and only one has a massive upside.

There is something wrong with this picture.

Bar Mansell none of those players kept Cumbo out of the side because they play completely different positions

And Mansell wasn’t exactly gifted games he played his role well and did his fair share of work as the sub

 

[rfctigerarmy]

Potentially going to be named VC?

 

[Grrr]

Bar Mansell none of those players kept Cumbo out of the side because they play completely different positions

And Mansell wasn’t exactly gifted games he played his role well and did his fair share of work as the sub

Mansell was gifted games. I like Mansell but he is not a forward bootstrap.
He kicked 10 gaols in 17 games. Had 5 games over 10 possessions, 6 games with 0 or 1 tackle. He is tough so occasionally did something good with that toughness, but he was gifted games due to his defensive style, which is a bit over rated. He is a run and carry player.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Mansell was gifted games. I like Mansell but he is not a forward bootstrap.
He kicked 10 gaols in 17 games. Had 5 games over 10 possessions, 6 games with 0 or 1 tackle. He is tough so occasionally did something good with that toughness, but he was gifted games due to his defensive style, which is a bit over rated. He is a run and carry player.

I mean it’s overrated in your eyes but it obviously isn’t in the eyes of the coaches and selection committee,
our entire forward line also struggled last year with bad supply and no real forwards being a standout at all
If Cumbo played better he would of been given more games so like others have said at the end of the day the main reason Cumbo didn’t play more was because he didn’t take his opportunities

It’s also been well documented some of his efforts of letting his man run free with him stopping or giving them far to much leeway

Cumbo has admitted himself that he didn’t play very well

 

[Grrr]

I mean it’s overrated in your eyes but it obviously isn’t in the eyes of the coaches and selection committee,
our entire forward line also struggled last year with bad supply and no real forwards being a standout at all
If Cumbo played better he would of been given more games so like others have said at the end of the day the main reason Cumbo didn’t play more was because he didn’t take his opportunities

It’s also been well documented some of his efforts of letting his man run free with him stopping or giving them far to much leeway

Cumbo has admitted himself that he didn’t play very well

I agree on Cumbo mostly. He had some learning to do after being inconsistent and pretty poor. Hardwick and he were at opposite ends when it came to playing and it definitely took away he natural instincts. I have no problem with Cumberland playing VFL, same with Sonsie and Dow. The VFL is a good learning place. The VFL in the meantime was a dog's breakfast, from memory 3 byes in about 6 weeks and a few sub games and an injury means the second half of the year when Cumberland could have played week in week out he missed more games than he played it felt. Write off the year and learn, from the interview he looks in a good place.

But I still think Mansell gave very little as a forward because he is a back or a wingman. I would like to see what he can do on the wing, because he has some good attributes for that role. He can run, is a good kick, is as tough as teak and hasn't had a good crack in a while in a position he is suited to. Would say half back, but I think we have a swag of half backs.

 

[Muddiemoose]

I agree on Cumbo mostly. He had some learning to do after being inconsistent and pretty poor. Hardwick and he were at opposite ends when it came to playing and it definitely took away he natural instincts. I have no problem with Cumberland playing VFL, same with Sonsie and Dow. The VFL is a good learning place. The VFL in the meantime was a dog's breakfast, from memory 3 byes in about 6 weeks and a few sub games and an injury means the second half of the year when Cumberland could have played week in week out he missed more games than he played it felt. Write off the year and learn, from the interview he looks in a good place.

But I still think Mansell gave very little as a forward because he is a back or a wingman. I would like to see what he can do on the wing, because he has some good attributes for that role. He can run, is a good kick, is as tough as teak and hasn't had a good crack in a while in a position he is suited to. Would say half back, but I think we have a swag of half backs.

He rotates through the wing a few games last year and was good, as did Clarke

Probably another reason why they got games over Cumbo
The ability to play multiple roles is essential in the modern game with limited rotations especially for guys who don’t play key positions

 

[Grrr]

He rotates through the wing a few games last year and was good, as did Clarke

Probably another reason why they got games over Cumbo
The ability to play multiple roles is essential in the modern game with limited rotations especially for guys who don’t play key positions

And in the VFL they should have been throwing Cumberland through the middle on occasions, or wing, but he played pretty much the same role. Late in the VFL he got higher up the ground which was good to see. He needs to get his hands on the ball more, the VFL is where you can do that. It worked with MRJ when he went into the middle in the VFL who had a season to forget as well.

Anyway, this year will be a better gauge of what sort of player Cumberland will be. Find out soon enough.

 

[Muddiemoose]

And in the VFL they should have been throwing Cumberland through the middle on occasions, or wing, but he played pretty much the same role. Late in the VFL he got higher up the ground which was good to see. He needs to get his hands on the ball more, the VFL is where you can do that. It worked with MRJ when he went into the middle in the VFL who had a season to forget as well.

Anyway, this year will be a better gauge of what sort of player Cumberland will be. Find out soon enough.

Agree I’m looking forward to seeing how he goes this year and I’m optimistic he will have ironed out a few of those questions about his game

Now’s the time to start planning what our 22 will look like over the next 2 - 3 seasons and without wanting to open that can of worms it’s a possibility that we won’t have Dusty next season (unlikely but a possibility all the same) and Cumbo would be a great understudy for his forward role

 

[sregit]

you must have missed 2022 then. the kid proved he can play, and play very well. Dimma threw his toys out of the cott and CUmbo was one of them. even though we had heaps of senior players (on much bigger pay packets mind you) playing ORDINARY.
Perspective.
I can read, I just couldn't understand your logic.

I never miss a game including 2022. How many players have we seen over years that have looked good for a few games but never really gone on to establish themselves as good quality footballers? Lots. I put Cumberland in this category. No doubt he’ll get an opportunity at some stage this year and I’ll be hoping he kills it. However, I have my doubts and based on his most recent form I think he’s a list clogger. When he gets his chance he’ll need to impact straight away. We can’t be gifting 10 games to every younger player on the list.

 

[Grrr]

I never miss a game including 2022. How many players have we seen over years that have looked good for a few games but never really gone on to establish themselves as good quality footballers? Lots. I put Cumberland in this category. No doubt he’ll get an opportunity at some stage this year and I’ll be hoping he kills it. However, I have my doubts and based on his most recent form I think he’s a list clogger. When he gets his chance he’ll need to impact straight away. We can’t be gifting 10 games to every younger player on the list.

The difference between Cumberland and many others is that he has the ability and lots of AFL attributes, but has deficiencies in things related to team disciplines, structures etc. This was very much the mantra of Dimma towards the end of his coaching.

The thing that kills a lot of players these days is either pace (Caddy) or football skills (George). Cumberland has plenty of both, so that makes him different. Footy nous is perhaps his weakness, that can be learned, after all players even the really good ones acquire that as they go along.

How much it was Dimma and how much it was Cumberland we will find out.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Cumbo's biggest problem is the combo of Dusty and Shai. They are simply awesome playing/resting forward. They are more valuable than Noah, so he has to find a way of fitting in around them.

I personally see both Dusty and Shai as more value in the midfield, with rests forward.

If we rejig the team structure there is a spot for Cumbo to shine doing what he does well. And I reckon if we had 3 guys playing in 2 positions (attacking mid + forward) we have a stronger team.

There's a spot for him, but he has to add weapons to his arsenal, and work harder. Plus if the coaches adjust the squad he has a spot. Under Dimma he was in direct competition with 2 of the best players in the AFL.