Player Watch #40: Callum Coleman-Jones

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I must've missed the part where Soldo had become a gun and Nankervis played week in week out with no injuries.

Coleman Jones is 22, was SA Captain and U18 All Australian ruckman- I'd say he's developed exactly as planned to this stage. Not many ruckman playing AFL under 21 and they usually break out 24-28 years of age.

Perfect play by north if they get him- ruck stocks are set for the next 10 years with a Goldstein replacement and additional support up forward..
 
What goes around comes around. Norf's begging bowl is currently overflowing with Richmond money, like it was four years ago when the friendless deros drove up Dusty's price.

In a few years we will have plenty to spend just as the likes of Simpkin, LDU, Larkey, Thomas and co reach free agency.

That's assuming Tassie hasn't got its own team by then and these leeches haven't been wiped from the face of the Earth. 50-50.
 
Mr Magic said:
I thought 400K was not really big money and CCJ could really kick on. Could be a steal I think
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Current average salary is $335k, this was reduced due to covid so will go back to normal eventually, it was $367k pre covid with the existing collective bargaining agreement. It is indexed to go up each year until the end of the agreement.
 

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Having thought about it a bit more, I'm very curious as to why CCJ's manager thinks 5 years at $450k is a good deal at his age.

He's 22 now, so will be 27 at the end of a new 5 year deal, he would probably only get one big contract for his entire career by doing it this way should he be a starting AFL ruckman by the end of that term.
If he was to back himself and take a 2-3 year deal now, then his next deal when he's 24-25 years old would likely be substantially more than the $450k-ish he'd be on under this proposed contract. The only reason the longer term deal makes sense now is if they don't think he will substantially improve at AFL level over the next 2-3 years.

Just look at players like Dusty and Pettraca, they backed themselves to hit their prime and only then signed the long term deal
 
At end of the day he's either going to leave or stay. Just shattered we picked him instead of Oscar Allen who was the Larke medallist. If CCJ does the dash I think our first round selections are pretty much where they were when Francis Jackson was in charge. Sucks we have our best hand since Deledios draft and most kids barely played last 2 years. Fingers crossed we nail a few and trade a few for players who can be best 22.
 
This 5 year deal really does not make much sense for Cj

He is being offered 2 years probably at around $350k at richmond and if push came to shove would get 3 years then hit free agency and thats when he would be getting the big dollars. Why tie yourself to a shit stain of a dump for 5 years for peanuts. I guess his nikname says it alll
he must be a zombie
 
Rioli2Rioli said:
This 5 year deal really does not make much sense for Cj

He is being offered 2 years probably at around $350k at richmond and if push came to shove would get 3 years then hit free agency and thats when he would be getting the big dollars. Why tie yourself to a sh*t stain of a dump for 5 years for peanuts. I guess his nikname says it alll
he must be a zombie
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If he was getting 350K for 2 years why would he not take it?

Are you sure that's the RFC offer and not less?

100K before tax per year is not a lot of difference and then there is a good chance opportunities open up even if JR sticks around.

I can see Nank and Lynch possibly chasing other opportunities simply because they are older and it suits their windows and all other stakeholders.

This idea RFC is going to be challenging year after year for the next 4-5 years without some rejigging and development is fantasy
 
Mr Magic said:
If he was getting 350K for 2 years why would he not take it?

Are you sure that's the RFC offer and not less?

100K before tax per year is not a lot of difference and then there is a good chance opportunities open up even if JR sticks around.

I can see Nank and Lynch possibly chasing other opportunities simply because they are older and it suits their windows and all other stakeholders.

This idea RFC is going to be challenging year after year for the next 4-5 years without some rejigging and development is fantasy
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*I can see Nank and Lynch possibly chasing other opportunities simply because they are older and it suits their windows and all other stakeholders.
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This idea RFC is going to be challenging year after year for the next 4-5 years without some rejigging and development is fantasy
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Yes i have seen the contract offer , It is #350k x 2 years
I'll email you a copy
 
Rioli2Rioli said:
*I can see Nank and Lynch possibly chasing other opportunities simply because they are older and it suits their windows and all other stakeholders.
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This idea RFC is going to be challenging year after year for the next 4-5 years without some rejigging and development is fantasy
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Yes i have seen the contract offer , It is #350k x 2 years
I'll email you a copy
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This groupie/camp culture that gets promoted is not healthy for the club nor conducive for high performance.
humans should be able to act independently as well as team members. Everyone has their own path that suits them the most that should be respected as opposed to collective thought. Its important to be agile and flexible to succeed even in a team environment because synergy fluctuates in a organic way. Even the collective does not operate in a vacuum and the Berlin Wall falling down is just one example of trying to overreach with control

I had a look at Akermanis talking about being in front of Dogs group getting the third degree on Open Mike. No wonder that group could not win anything
 
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Mr Magic said:
Yes i have seen the contract offer , It is #350k x 2 years
I'll email you a copy
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This groupie/camp culture that gets promoted is not healthy for the club nor conducive for high performance.
humans should be able to act independently as well as team members. Everyone has their own path that suits them the most that should be respected as opposed to collective thought. Its important to be agile and flexible to succeed even in a team environment because synergy fluctuates in a organic way. Even the collective does not operate in a vacuum and the Berlin Wall falling down is just one example of trying to overreach with control

I had a look at Akermanis talking about being in front of Dogs group getting the third degree on Open Mike. No wonder that group could not win anything
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So whats your opinion of the vaccine
do you believe the theory it causes delusion ?
 
Infamy said:
Having thought about it a bit more, I'm very curious as to why CCJ's manager thinks 5 years at $450k is a good deal at his age.

He's 22 now, so will be 27 at the end of a new 5 year deal, he would probably only get one big contract for his entire career by doing it this way should he be a starting AFL ruckman by the end of that term.
If he was to back himself and take a 2-3 year deal now, then his next deal when he's 24-25 years old would likely be substantially more than the $450k-ish he'd be on under this proposed contract. The only reason the longer term deal makes sense now is if they don't think he will substantially improve at AFL level over the next 2-3 years.

Just look at players like Dusty and Pettraca, they backed themselves to hit their prime and only then signed the long term deal
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If he goes for that money he is silly. 2 years with us even at 350 400 and improves like everyone thinks well the contract after surely would be more than the 450s. No brainer for me but sillier things have happened.
 
Infamy said:
Having thought about it a bit more, I'm very curious as to why CCJ's manager thinks 5 years at $450k is a good deal at his age.

He's 22 now, so will be 27 at the end of a new 5 year deal, he would probably only get one big contract for his entire career by doing it this way should he be a starting AFL ruckman by the end of that term.
If he was to back himself and take a 2-3 year deal now, then his next deal when he's 24-25 years old would likely be substantially more than the $450k-ish he'd be on under this proposed contract. The only reason the longer term deal makes sense now is if they don't think he will substantially improve at AFL level over the next 2-3 years.

Just look at players like Dusty and Pettraca, they backed themselves to hit their prime and only then signed the long term deal
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Hence why we only offered 2. To lock CJ in at that price until he is 27 doesn’t make much sense to me from a security perspective. Let’s see if Tigers up their offer to 3.
 

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Ideally we want pick 20 from the roos. Bundle that with the cats first rounder and see if we can get another first round pick. Use that pick to obtain Cerra. Would still leave us with a top 10 pick, 2 in the 20’s and the rest of them.
 
tugga said:
I don’t begrudge a kid who has been offered five years security and more ruck time if that is what he wants.
I actually don’t begrudge North for trying to get him in the PSD. Let’s face it, we would be wanting the same if the tables were turned.
what would piss me off however is if CCJ didn’t want Richmond to be fairly compensated.
I don’t boo players normally, but next I would be clearing my voice out to give it to that little piss any Higgins and CCJ.
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The walk him to the PSD stuff is from posters only. We're not a ******* club like Easendon, we'll do a fair deal.

We were happy to let Higgo go last year when he wanted out. We didn't put a stupid price on Ben Brown's head having said no to his contract.

For us the value is in getting a player like CCJ in of itself for where he is development and filling a list need.

We'll have a fair price in mind that reflects market value. We're probably overpaying in terms of contract length.

But you have to overpay at one end - trade currency, cash, contract length - to get quality players put of clubs.

Look at how Essendon and Collingwood threw around first rounders in the last five years.

The PSD is "there" in terms of the discussion as is his being uncontracted.

But I don't expect any Dodoro style antics at our end and I'll be very disappointed of there are.
 
Waca Jr said:
Understand that CJ isn't exactly the heir apparent though
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I think we currently need one of CJ or Chol.

And I wouldn't wipe your arse with Chol.
 
Pretty brutal to lose CCJ. Timing just hasn't worked out list management wise but we can't show our vets the early door with what they've achieved.

I would have loved to have held Markov over Bach coming into this year. I would love to be able to hold CCJ knowing that Jack may only have one year left in him. It's just the overlap happened to soon and it's going to cost us a quality young developing tall. If we can get pick 20 and nail it, I can obviously live with that. But I would rather keep CCJ knowing the potential he has.
 
SimpkinByTheDockOfTheBay said:
The walk him to the PSD stuff is from posters only. We're not a ******* club like Easendon, we'll do a fair deal.

We were happy to let Higgo go last year when he wanted out. We didn't put a stupid price on Ben Brown's head having said no to his contract.

For us the value is in getting a player like CCJ in of itself for where he is development and filling a list need.

We'll have a fair price in mind that reflects market value. We're probably overpaying in terms of contract length.

But you have to overpay at one end - trade currency, cash, contract length - to get quality players put of clubs.

Look at how Essendon and Collingwood threw around first rounders in the last five years.

The PSD is "there" in terms of the discussion as is his being uncontracted.

But I don't expect any Dodoro style antics at our end and I'll be very disappointed of there are.
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I basically agree with what you are saying - there is a player there who has been at three AFL club environs and he has never been happier than at North - the group is real with one another, the management so transparent - it appears North has its shit together and can understand CCJ looking at it as an option because that is now what he expects if he must move for whatever reason.
 
Hope CCJ stays. If he goes then I understand it. But I'd want good compo. We'll see :huh:
 
450 for 4-5 years and wants to play ruck. Yes its shitty he wants to go.
hit the draft, for that deal we want there pick 20
Its not the end of the world.
He has played 9 games.
Hit The Draft and take Talia for nothing
 
richoplzbreed said:
At end of the day he's either going to leave or stay. Just shattered we picked him instead of Oscar Allen who was the Larke medallist. If CCJ does the dash I think our first round selections are pretty much where they were when Francis Jackson was in charge. Sucks we have our best hand since Deledios draft and most kids barely played last 2 years. Fingers crossed we nail a few and trade a few for players who can be best 22.
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we have had good draft hands in the past. Hope we don’t **** this one up. I thought we nailed 2014 at the time
 
Phar Ace said:
I basically agree with what you are saying - there is a player there who has been at three AFL club environs and he has never been happier than at North - the group is real with one another, the management so transparent - it appears North has its sh*t together and can understand CCJ looking at it as an option because that is now what he expects if he must move for whatever reason.
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That's it - and part of it seems to be simply finding out what a player wants and offering it to them. We did it with Stephenson last year, said we know you played your best footy in the juniors as a mid, come to us and we'll play you mid. He did, we did, and he produced the best footy of his career as a mid.

Looks like CCJ wants to play ruck and we're offering exactly the same opportunity. Clubs have to play to their strengths.
 
tigerfan1961 said:
No chance of Cerra with little cap room CB
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It’s an interesting one as i have heard we’re not great on cap space, but we’re not as bad as what is said either.
 
Azzleberry said:
I must've missed the part where Soldo had become a gun and Nankervis played week in week out with no injuries.

Coleman Jones is 22, was SA Captain and U18 All Australian ruckman- I'd say he's developed exactly as planned to this stage. Not many ruckman playing AFL under 21 and they usually break out 24-28 years of age.

Perfect play by north if they get him- ruck stocks are set for the next 10 years with a Goldstein replacement and additional support up forward..
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But CCJ isn’t a ruck.....
 
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