Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 19: Law and Odour

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[Spearman]

So much to unpack from that post but the above is just silly.

It was Trump and his crew that coined the term 'MAGA', and it is the actions of him and his supporters that turned MAGA into both a noun and also an adjective - as to whether that adjective is taken as being complementary or derogatory depends on what you think of the MAGA movement, what they say, what they stand for, what they justify, what they want.

Basically it is like "smurf"...it can mean what you want. If you hear the term 'MAGA' and interpret that as a slur used to demonise those that wear the red hat then maybe there is hope for you yet, and so I will stop short of saying you are such a MAGA MAGA.

I guess the self-professed "MAGA Nation" got lost in ether.

They literally grift off the branding.

 

[Bloods86]

Well it had $60b for Ukraine and $14b for Israel. The total bill was $116b. Almost 2/3rds of the funds nothing to do with immigration.

Lol. The GOP had been bleating about holding up funds for Ukraine support until they got action on the border. So they were given the opportunity to follow through, they didn't, and then they did what Republicans actually care about, focus on the optics and stifle any action (unless it's making the rich richer or going after minorities and peoples freedoms).

 

[BigTacoBandit]

Well it had $60b for Ukraine and $14b for Israel. The total bill was $116b. Almost 2/3rds of the funds nothing to do with immigration.

What's are your thoughts on the US aiding Israel?

Why is it solely the US's job to protect Israel?
If the ramifications were so unthinkable why don't the US send in troops rather than just send money?

 

[Spearman]

Well we can have a proper debate about things now, I will disagree with a lot of that but now you at least have a position on things we can discuss.

Re DeSantis, if there was no Trump it could be different for him, he seems a bit of a charisma black hole though.

I will disagree with Biden is more divisive than Trump, Trump literally wanted to overthrow an election and uses violent rhetoric about anyone he considers his enemy. He also attacks minorities as a group.

Biden is fairly benign really, I’d like a Sanders type but we have what we have. I hate his stance on Israel (not that the GOPs is any better).

I agree with Biden attacking the MAGA crowd, them being defined as the ones who are like Bannon, Miller etc who are basically done with democracy and like what is happening in Hungary and Russia. I don’t believe being tolerant of intolerance is necessary.

The thing is a lot of people who vote for Trump want the same thing as a lot of democrat voters, things like actual proper taxing of the rich, cut down the loopholes, higher minimum wage, universal health care, paid parental leave etc.

Problem is the dems are beholden to their donors so more like to make noise about doing something on those things then pretending those damn republicans won’t let them.

Good post
This is one I really don't get, How can Biden be more divisive? How is he dividing the country? By not pandering to hard conservatives? or the the extreme Christo-fascists?
To me it is a lot like China. China or sometimes the "Chinese people", choose to get upset or be threatened over the tiniest, pettiest things. There are no threats to them but that is the card they play.
Or it is like the MSM 'showing both sides', as if they were equally true or beneficial but clearly not.
The GOP had the chance to make policies that directly benefited the general population and they passed on it. They improved the stock market a bit, but how did that benefit the millions of Americans that don't have 401Ks? What else did they do? How many working class jobs did they bring in? How much did the middle class grow?
Oh that's right, they did a lot of deregging. More predatory business practices, more toxic pollution, and resource pillaging (like not in my backyard though, fracking).
So Biden is getting stuff passed like infrastructure, actually did things to slow inflation(where were the Reps with their ideas), and other actions.
Biden doesn't look after Americans first? Great, when NATO gets into the war, good old American boots will be on the ground. That will bring the nation together, eh? Russo/MAGA stooges in Congress are what's dividing the nation.

 

[troybe]

Complaining his opponent is calling someone nasty names while calling him Crooked. Well, I never.

 

[Spearman]

Trump has daughter in law getting his legal fees paid by the mom and pop sucker donations

Yep, if you can't afford $5, you can save up and donate it later.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Their master Putin.... We still on Russia! Russia! Russia! I see.

I'm not sure why I'm even bothering with this but what are the ramifications?
Why is it solely the US's job to protect Ukraine?
If the ramifications were so unthinkable why don't the US send in troops rather than just send money?
Also when the Dems keep spouting 'Democracy is at stake' when Ukraine are very obviously not a democracy you really have to wonder why are they trying to deceive their citizens.
Trump has said consistently that he doesn't want the US involved in endless wars. Seems he's just following through on his promise.
Finally, I am so neutral on the Ukraine/Russia war. I despise both Putin and Zelensky so I refuse to choose a side and in the end think there will be no winner.

So..you have no idea at all of the causes and the ramifications. Bothsidism hits again hey.

 

[Stokey]

So..you have no idea at all of the causes and the ramifications. Bothsidism hits again hey.

Nosideism.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Nosideism.

No ideaism is more like it

 

[spinynorman]

This thread is an alternate reality. It is majority fringe left. You are the true definition of alternate.
You just get a false sense of being mainstream because you only hang out here and don't branch out socially beyond people you agree with.
Then when someone like Trump gets elected you scratch your heads and wonder how it could have happened. 'Everyone I speak to hates Trump.' It's too funny.

As a fringe leftist, I can tell you that’s definitely not the majority view in here. It’s mostly liberal centrism.

I agree people should branch out beyond views they’re comfortable with and at least try to take people in good faith (and I dislike the tendency for a dogpile on those expressing “minority” views), but I would think the majority of Australians who have a view on American politics would be opposed to Trump (even moreso than the majority of Americans, who would also be opposed to Trump). At the very least it would be a “mainstream” view.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Oh how very surprising

 

[Present Not Past]

As a fringe leftist, I can tell you that’s definitely not the majority view in here. It’s mostly liberal centrism.

I agree people should branch out beyond views they’re comfortable with and at least try to take people in good faith (and I dislike the tendency for a dogpile on those expressing “minority” views), but I would think the majority of Australians who have a view on American politics would be opposed to Trump (even moreso than the majority of Americans, who would also be opposed to Trump). At the very least it would be a “mainstream” view.

It's not the leftists or even the mainstream who support the overturning of Roe v Wade.
To suggest that we are leftist because we don't support the abolition of abortion, is simply dishonest.

 

[Bloods86]

As a fringe leftist, I can tell you that’s definitely not the majority view in here. It’s mostly liberal centrism.

I agree people should branch out beyond views they’re comfortable with and at least try to take people in good faith (and I dislike the tendency for a dogpile on those expressing “minority” views), but I would think the majority of Australians who have a view on American politics would be opposed to Trump (even moreso than the majority of Americans, who would also be opposed to Trump). At the very least it would be a “mainstream” view.

I mean, not far back we had someone touting Mayor Pete. Now, I'm sure people who pretend to be centrist but are clearly not by all indications, may view Buttigieg as fringe left, but that's on them and their ignorance.

 

[jatz14]

Obviously.

So the bill Biden put forward designed for Republicans to reject, wasn't put forward by Biden, and was designed with Republican help, to make sure they got what they wanted, and would have no reason to reject.

Then Trump said to reject it, explicitly, let me repeat that for the hard of hearing EXPLICITLY, because he wanted to campaign on the border issue, and didn't want any progress.

So Republicans killed their bill, because Trump.

And then the minions dutifully went forward and blamed Biden for the lack of progress on the border.

So, have I summed that up about right, minion?

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[Crankyhawk]

This thread is an alternate reality. It is majority fringe left. You are the true definition of alternate.
You just get a false sense of being mainstream because you only hang out here and don't branch out socially beyond people you agree with.
Then when someone like Trump gets elected you scratch your heads and wonder how it could have happened. 'Everyone I speak to hates Trump.' It's too funny.

There’s not so much headscratch when voter gerrymandering (electoral college weight), voting location disenfranchisement, restrictions on ability to vote, and having an election on a ****ing Tuesday makes it hard for low income/ casuals to stand in line for hours (also risking the usual usa drive by shooting) just to vote

 

[spinynorman]

The Republicans are so ****ed on the abortion issue. And they're split between those who understand this and are wildly flailing...



...and the actual committed ideologues who feel the wind is in their sails and are going to keep pushing even if it costs them enormously.

 

[OneGreatClub]

The racist is pretty stressed out

 

[OneGreatClub]

The Speaker decides what Bills are introduced, and when.

And the Speaker is taking instructions from Trump not to bring it to the floor

 

[OneGreatClub]

The Republicans are so ****ed on the abortion issue. And they're split between those who understand this and are wildly flailing...



...and the actual committed ideologues who feel the wind is in their sails and are going to keep pushing even if it costs them enormously.

Of course he will

 

[QuietB]

The Republicans are so ****ed on the abortion issue. And they're split between those who understand this and are wildly flailing...



...and the actual committed ideologues who feel the wind is in their sails and are going to keep pushing even if it costs them enormously.

America has a disproportionate number of LEGO men - with equivalent IQ's

 

[Royces Hart]

The racist is pretty stressed out

Just casually using a racist nickname toward her, dog whistling to his base.

 

[Satan]

The racist is pretty stressed out

the court case starting monday could be the cause

 

[Spearman]

I mean, not far back we had someone touting Mayor Pete. Now, I'm sure people who pretend to be centrist but are clearly not by all indications, may view Buttigieg as fringe left, but that's on them and their ignorance.

I don't know what his policies as mayor were, beside that little fiasco he had, but I can't recall him calling for anything much since then. He struck me as fairly moderate conservative Dem.
I'm sure the geniuses who label him a lefty do so because he's openly gay, married, and has a child. You know, he must be a fringe lefty then.

 

[Spearman]

There’s not so much headscratch when voter gerrymandering (electoral college weight), voting location disenfranchisement, restrictions on ability to vote, and having an election on a ******* Tuesday makes it hard for low income/ casuals to stand in line for hours (also risking the usual usa drive by shooting) just to vote

Yep, that's the steady creep of GOP in local politics regardless of Trump. In some areas like Texas, SC, or WI they don't even camouflage it or try to explain it away.

 

[Cyber_punk]

America has a disproportionate number of LEGO men - with equivalent IQ's

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