Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: Here we go again!

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USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

Continued from Part 1 - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-us-presidential-election-trump-vs-harris.1383317/

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USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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< - Trump 19 is back there.

 

[happy_eagle]

 

[stefcep]

I don't recall this at all. Link?

Here's one of many:

We want to be vigilant about what might be on the horizon -- what is out there in other places. We want to be careful how we deal with it (coronavirus). But we do want to say to people, come to Chinatown. Here we are, again, careful, safe, and come join us." 24 Feb 2020.

Pelosi Tours San Francisco's Chinatown To Quell Coronavirus Fears

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi walked through San Francisco's Chinatown District Monday, attempting to quell fears about the current outbreak of the coronavirus that has kept customers out of shops and restaurants and tourists away from the streets.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[stefcep]

Voter supression anyone? Gerrymandering?

There's no such thing as voter suppression-its a Democrat throw away line to allow more unregistered people to vote.

Look at the land mass of the Red States. Without land there is no nation. Someone living in an apartment on the 30th floor should never have equal right to say as to what happens on that land.

 

[Blue1980]

There's no such thing as voter suppression-its a Democrat throw away line to allow more unregistered people to vote.

Look at the land mass of the Red States. Without land there is no nation. Someone living in an apartment on the 30th floor should never have equal right to say as to what happens on that land.

You want land to vote?

Also what you said about the election "cheating" is exactly what Hilary claimed in 2016, and isn't what Trump and co were claiming in 2020. Vivek after the event has parroted the same stuff you are.

 

[JackOutback]

It’s amazing how the Dems are both nefarious and capable of rigging elections and have lost more elections this century than the Republicans… at the same time.

 

[Chief]

Here's one of many:

We want to be vigilant about what might be on the horizon -- what is out there in other places. We want to be careful how we deal with it (coronavirus). But we do want to say to people, come to Chinatown. Here we are, again, careful, safe, and come join us." 24 Feb 2020.

Pelosi Tours San Francisco's Chinatown To Quell Coronavirus Fears

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi walked through San Francisco's Chinatown District Monday, attempting to quell fears about the current outbreak of the coronavirus that has kept customers out of shops and restaurants and tourists away from the streets.

www.cbsnews.com

Bad call by Pelosi, but it wasn't considered a huge deal in February was it? I cant recall exact dates now. Trump was publicly denying it was an issue a fair while after that, wasn't he?

Where is the racism accusation?

 

[Chief]

It’s amazing how the Dems are both nefarious and capable of rigging elections and have lost more elections this century than the Republicans… at the same time.

You don't understand: they would have lost them ALL if they didn't cheat!!

 

[dumb]

we're not fascists, we do want to remove our political opponents from the map though

https://newrepublic.com/post/188100/steve-bannon-agencies-trump-chopping-block

 

[deck]

Look at the land mass of the Red States. Without land there is no nation. Someone living in an apartment on the 30th floor should never have equal right to say as to what happens on that land.

Well as far as picking the president this is how it works. The citizens living in the smaller populated states votes are worth up to 2 votes compared to places like California, Florida and New York.

 

[stefcep]

You want land to vote?

Also what you said about the election "cheating" is exactly what Hilary claimed in 2016, and isn't what Trump and co were claiming in 2020. Vivek after the event has parroted the same stuff you are.

Land owners votes count more.

Yes but unlike Hilary, the evidence that those things happened is out and open for everyone to see.

This time around those election interferers from within wouldn't have dare try it again.

Well as far as picking the president this is how it works. The citizens living in the smaller populated states votes are worth up to 2 votes compared to places like California, Florida and New York.

It is as it should be.

 

[stefcep]

Bad call by Pelosi, but it wasn't considered a huge deal in February was it? I cant recall exact dates now. Trump was publicly denying it was an issue a fair while after that, wasn't he?

Where is the racism accusation?

Trump was calling it the China virus and iirc flight from China were being blocked from entering and he was getting the whole "That's racist!"

Never one to miss a political opportunity, where did Pelosi go to make her point (of difference to Trump). CHINAtown.

 

[Royces Hart]

Land owners votes count more.

Yes but unlike Hilary, the evidence that those things happened is out and open for everyone to see.

This time around those election interferers from within wouldn't have dare try it again.




It is as it should be.

What about large landowners in California?

 

[Vassp]

You’re peddling disproven nonsense and complaining about other people ‘conversing like a normal person’. If the Dems can cheat so effectively, didn’t they this time? Why does this fraud only happen when Democrats win and not Republicans? If you want people to discuss things with you like a normal person, don’t post like an absolute turnip.

You cant help yourself can you, listen and listen good, when you wake up from your slumber, you will realise that, fraud exists in this world, just like espionage and betrayal and all sorts of nasty government things you don't want to admit exists. mind you with both parties and nearly all governments around the world. wake up and stop acting like you're 20yo fresh out of uni.

Prime and simple example for you, listen to CNN, CNBC vs fox and newmax, same story completely different expression of interest. From a reputable news source mind you.

Another example.....
As far as court cases go, you can have trials, re trials and come to a different virdict/ oucome based on many factors.
Pick your poison.


I am open to discuss topics like gentlemen, dont bother with insults as I can tear strips off you if I choose to.

EDIT This is how messed up this stuff is.

FEMA official directed hurricane relief workers to avoid homes with Trump signs as agency conducts cleanup

A FEMA official was removed from a role after directing disaster relief workers in Florida to avoid homes with Trump signs after hurricanes Helene and Milton.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Blue1980]

Land owners votes count more.

Is it a per capita of land, or just land as opposed to living in an apartment?

Either way I have a house on land so I get a bigger vote in your bizarre vote allocation system. Work well in Australia, just have a handful of people who own cattle ranches in the middle of australia deciding entire elections.

 

[QuietB]

My views here are too long and varied to fully state in a single post; suffice to say that I think since the end of WW2 society is best depicted as a struggle between the working classes - who for the first time in history achieved a level of power and position that they had never obtained previously - and the ownership classes, who have spent the entire time since the New Deal and the end of the war chipping away at different components of that coalition and worker's rights to let them return things to the way they were. Keynesian economics gives way to neoliberalism in the 1970's not because it successfully demonstrated its failure but because it's what the wealthy wanted; civil rights movements taper out and are viciously controlled and repressed whilst active, their messages diluted and twisted to establishment ends once gone. The media goes from believing they have an imperative to inform to deliberately seeking to control and drive policy because the owners want to control what people say and believe; Manufacturing Consent and all that.

As such, trying to depict the flaws within a capitalist democracy as 'overly cumbersome and unwieldy' as being due to the minority groups is - frankly - making the same error that sees some of the working poor attribute their loss of income and prestige to immigrants 'taking their jobs' when the problem is the ownership classes moved that job overseas.

The problem is that society is in a slow decline into plutocracy and capitalist feudalism - some more, some less - whilst having the trappings of the social democracies they used to be hollowed out and/or slowly being stripped away.

How do these minority groups within society have both so much power that they bring democracy to its knees yet so little power that they are not treated in a parity or better by the majority?

Agree with all of this.

For me the problem is not capitalism. The problem is government.

Government is supposed to protect the people against capitalisms worst tendencies. ie. exploitation, the gaps capitalism is not interested in, the things that a functioning society needs that are not profitable, etc.

Instead government is entirely captured by the capitalists, and now the technofeudalists if you believe Yanis Varoufakis - Silicon Valley certainly appointed Trump - entirely at the expense of serving and protecting and providing for the people.

Trump is obviously not going to change this or help the disenfranchised one bit, but at least he doesn’t judge them.

 

[Satan]

You cant help yourself can you, listen and listen good, when you wake up from your slumber, you will realise that, fraud exists in this world, just like espionage and betrayal and all sorts of nasty government things you don't want to admit exists. mind you with both parties and nearly all governments around the world. wake up and stop acting like you're 20yo fresh out of uni.

Prime and simple example for you, listen to CNN, CNBC vs fox and newmax, same story completely different expression of interest. From a reputable news source mind you.

Another example.....
As far as court cases go, you can have trials, re trials and come to a different virdict/ oucome based on many factors.
Pick your poison.


I am open to discuss topics like gentlemen, dont bother with insults as I can tear strips off you if I choose to.

EDIT This is how messed up this stuff is.

FEMA official directed hurricane relief workers to avoid homes with Trump signs as agency conducts cleanup

A FEMA official was removed from a role after directing disaster relief workers in Florida to avoid homes with Trump signs after hurricanes Helene and Milton.

www.foxnews.com

Fox got a750m penalty for defaming a voting machine company when they knew the stories were bs

 

[stefcep]

What about large landowners in California?

California gets the most EC votes of any State, so they're covered.

 

[stefcep]

Is it a per capita of land, or just land as opposed to living in an apartment?

Either way I have a house on land so I get a bigger vote in your bizarre vote allocation system. Work well in Australia, just have a handful of people who own cattle ranches in the middle of australia deciding entire elections.

Look at the NATS: 5% of the votes, 10% of the seats in the H of Reps.

 

[Vassp]

Fox got a750m penalty for defaming a voting machine company when they knew the stories were bs

Again, court cases dont mean that much do they? Find me the target and ill attach the crime...very famous saying.

If you havent already guessed I dont see the courts or justice system as the be all and end all in justice.

They can be swayed many different ways.

so CNN and CNBC are your news source then?

 

[Blue1980]

Look at the NATS: 5% of the votes, 10% of the seats in the H of Reps.

So you want that expanded?

You don't want direct democracy essentially. You just want whoever is richer and more powerful to be able to have an even greater say than they do now. I don't think that is good, you do. Agree to disagree.

 

[Satan]

Again, court cases dont mean that much do they? Find me the target and ill attach the crime...very famous saying.

If you havent already guessed I dont see the courts or justice system as the be all and end all in justice.

They can be swayed many different ways.

so CNN and CNBC are your news source then?

Big footy

 

[Royces Hart]

California gets the most EC votes of any State, so they're covered.

Haha so it’s only for “red land.”

Not for the largest food producing state in the country.

A farmer in California gets less say than someone who lives on the 13th floor in Mobile, Alabama.

 

[Vassp]

Big footy

 

[Blue1980]

Haha so it’s only for “red land.”

Not for the largest food producing state in the country.

A farmer in California gets less say than someone who lives on the 13th floor in Mobile, Alabama.

He may as well just say "I want the people I like to be in power all the time without the ability for them to lose power, what is that called again?"

 

[Blue1980]

Leftists don't like CNN. They are left of MAGA, but so is Mitch McConnell.

Also this "leftist" host has this background https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/...-cnn-anchor-boyfriend-fight-donald-trump.html

She is just a hack. Tbh Ive not watched the video, but just disagreeing on your premise. Couldn't really give a shit what she asked him or what he said in response.