Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: Here we go again!

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USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

Continued from Part 1 - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-us-presidential-election-trump-vs-harris.1383317/

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USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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< - Trump 19 is back there.

 

[Partridge]

I think it's more astonishment that people have ignored every standard that they would otherwise hold a person to to support Trump.

To me Trump is a part of it but far from all of it.

It's partly the economic situation, partly the feeling the Democrats have not only abandoned the working class, but now openly despise them (I think this one is a large factor), partly their relentless identity politics, and to a degree the celebrity endorsements. People aren't stupid, and nothing is going to grate more than arrogant, spoiled, pampered millionaires telling the working class who to vote for (and what to think).

Then add a rather curious twist that happened this time - people have started to like Trump. His many flaws are valid, but I suspect part of it is the bulk of the population aren't too bothered. They can also remember that he actually was in charge for four years already, and the world didn't stop spinning. So if they now display the exact same hysteria (and they have), they aren't going to listen. They also haven't grasped that an entire generation (at least) doesn't get their news the way people in the past did. They just aren't watching. Plenty do listen to podcasts though, and hearing him chat for 3+ hours on multiple shows made him more relatable. Watching him talk about his brother's alcoholism was not what I expected, put it that way.

There's also more access to information than ever and when they scream he's the most racist and sexist President ever everyone can whip out their phone and check. Fooled around with women? Sure, but hardly the first politician to do that, and nowhere near Kennedy. Racist? Doubtful, and not even close to Andrew Johnson or Woodrow Wilson. Sexist? Well, he just appointed the first ever female chief-of-staff, so he's not very good at it if that's the case.

I think more and more simply don't watch, follow, or trust the mainstream media, and have completely lost faith in the Democrats. It was never going to take much to make them switch, and you only need to look at any of the voting maps to see a lot did.

 

[troybe]

What Donny really thinks of his best mate, I’m betting in about 3 years he’ll be saying I hardly knew the guy when everything goes pear shaped

 

[Financialpanther]

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What Donny really thinks of his best mate, I’m betting in about 3 years he’ll be saying I hardly knew the guy when everything goes pear shaped

In all fairness, in 3 years time, Donald will be forgetting what he had for breakfast.

 

[Festerz]

A clear picture is emerging now of the Trump second Presidency. The fact that it is exactly what was predicted does not make it any more alarming especially with Trump on the verge of controlling Congress.

 

[Vassp]

If not swapping sides, actively trashing their own party. Much of which was happening months before the election itself.
Worth remembering that the Democrats sort of cancelled democracy in order to front up a candidate they thought would be best able to defend democracy. A slightly inflammatory statement, perhaps, but the Democrat handling (and in some cases actual cancellation) of their own primaries was being noted and pointed out long before the grand final.

I've been looking at the American election more and more as as shift in US political landscape which has seen the Democrat party increasingly being viewed as the establishment, and that a Democrat vote is a vote for no change rather than change.
I made a note earlier in this thread regarding Marianne Williamson's comment that presently, for Americans, a false hope might be better than no hope. Williamson is far from the only Democrat saying these things.

I've seen plenty of posts in here pointing out just how stupid the American public are purported to be. Perhaps it's time that people here in Australia (at least) commenting in this manner should open their eyes a little, widen the gaze beyond the social media nonsense, and consider that a great many of them might not be stupid at all.

it's gone from the people's party to a mix of elites bitch party and woke mental party. not much in between.

 

[troybe]

Lauren Boebert must be disappointed that there won’t be any Secretary of Education posting available. Prime candidate in my opinion

 

[Royces Hart]

Lauren Boebert must be disappointed that there won’t be any Secretary of Education posting available. Prime candidate in my opinion

Named Secretary of Arts, always willing to lend a hand.

 

[Saint]

To me Trump is a part of it but far from all of it.

It's partly the economic situation, partly the feeling the Democrats have not only abandoned the working class, but now openly despise them (I think this one is a large factor), partly their relentless identity politics, and to a degree the celebrity endorsements. People aren't stupid, and nothing is going to grate more than arrogant, spoiled, pampered millionaires telling the working class who to vote for (and what to think).

Then add a rather curious twist that happened this time - people have started to like Trump. His many flaws are valid, but I suspect part of it is the bulk of the population aren't too bothered. They can also remember that he actually was in charge for four years already, and the world didn't stop spinning. So if they now display the exact same hysteria (and they have), they aren't going to listen. They also haven't grasped that an entire generation (at least) doesn't get their news the way people in the past did. They just aren't watching. Plenty do listen to podcasts though, and hearing him chat for 3+ hours on multiple shows made him more relatable. Watching him talk about his brother's alcoholism was not what I expected, put it that way.

There's also more access to information than ever and when they scream he's the most racist and sexist President ever everyone can whip out their phone and check. Fooled around with women? Sure, but hardly the first politician to do that, and nowhere near Kennedy. Racist? Doubtful, and not even close to Andrew Johnson or Woodrow Wilson. Sexist? Well, he just appointed the first ever female chief-of-staff, so he's not very good at it if that's the case.

I think more and more simply don't watch, follow, or trust the mainstream media, and have completely lost faith in the Democrats. It was never going to take much to make them switch, and you only need to look at any of the voting maps to see a lot did.

I almost hit like, but then you said it was doubtful Trump is racist. Besides when it was proved in court, what else could he say to make you believe?

 

[LuvtheKangas]

I almost hit like, but then you said it was doubtful Trump is racist. Besides when it was proved in court, what else could he say to make you believe?

And that bit was less offensive than waving off sexual assault as "fooled around with women".

Just another Trump apologist trying to convince himself he's taking a balanced view.

 

[King Patty]

I almost hit like, but then you said it was doubtful Trump is racist. Besides when it was proved in court, what else could he say to make you believe?

its still worth a like, you don't have to agree with the whole post.

 

[Saint]

Surely Matt Gaetz (under investigation for human trafficking) is only being touted as Attorney General so that the GOP Senators can at least refuse one nomination? Or it's a simple test of loyalty. I guess there'll be more than 4 who are planning on retiring who will demonstrate common sense.

 

[spinynorman]

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Lots of announcements coming out. Noem=Homeland Security, Little Marco=State, Pete Hegseth=Defense now this. This would be the dumbest thing ever until he appoints Elon

Think positive. Noem might see DOGE and rid us of these two losers.

 

[Saint]

its still worth a like, you don't have to agree with the whole post.

Well I agree with your "it resonates with people and they don't care", but not the parts where you suggest he isn't a racist misogynist. He's clearly those things, I'm surprised anyone would deny it.

You tried to excuse the electorate a little bit more than they deserved. They voted for a racist misogynist. Understanding this is where the public in the US stands is important in the context of other western countries who kowtow to the USA because we thought we shared their values. We don't.

 

[spinynorman]

Feel for the Palestinians but for the Muslims in Pennsylvania who apparently swung to Trump because he visited a lot and said he'd do more for them than Kamala, this is real leopard face eating territory. Trump told everyone who he was this election campaign, if you ignored that then swallowed his lies when just talking to you, then you made this bed.

Because things were going great for Palestinians under the Democrats.

 

[samFFC]

Pentagon to be led by a Fox News host
(His military service is no where near requisite for the role)

Pentagon stunned after Trump picks Pete Hegseth for defence secretary

National guard veteran and Fox News presenter has been a critic of military and has minimal managerial experience

www.theguardian.com

Attorney General to be a child sex offender

Trump announces Matt Gaetz as his pick for attorney general

Gaetz, a Florida lawmaker who has been under federal investigation, has been a staunch Trump ally on Capitol Hill.

www.nbcnews.com

Making up a meme department (Dept of Govt efficiency I.e DOGE haha get it it’s funny like the meme haha get it do you get why it’s funny it’s a meme??) and get two people (Vivek and Elon) to run it (isn’t 2 less efficient than 1? Hmm).
Notably run by a billionaire (formerly) illegal immigrant.

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/12/g-s1-33972/trump-elon-musk-vivek-ramaswamy-doge-government-efficiency-deep-state

Anti-UN and anti-Ukraine hawk to be UN ambassador

Opinion | Elise Stefanik's rapid rise could come crashing down at the U.N.

The rising star in the MAGA movement may see her momentum curtailed when she is shipped off to New York.

www.msnbc.com

Etc etc.

We are all in deep trouble.

 

[swingdog]

You can't say he's not going all in on hiring the crazies.

What will be amusing is to watch people who either have no experience of government or have played a purely theatircal oppositional role, cope with actual paperwork.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Pentagon to be led by a Fox News host
(His military service is no where near requisite for the role)

Pentagon stunned after Trump picks Pete Hegseth for defence secretary

National guard veteran and Fox News presenter has been a critic of military and has minimal managerial experience

www.theguardian.com

Attorney General to be a child sex offender

Trump announces Matt Gaetz as his pick for attorney general

Gaetz, a Florida lawmaker who has been under federal investigation, has been a staunch Trump ally on Capitol Hill.

www.nbcnews.com

Making up a meme department (Dept of Govt efficiency I.e DOGE haha get it it’s funny like the meme haha get it do you get why it’s funny it’s a meme??) and get two people (Vivek and Elon) to run it (isn’t 2 less efficient than 1? Hmm).
Notably run by a billionaire (formerly) illegal immigrant.

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/12/g-s1-33972/trump-elon-musk-vivek-ramaswamy-doge-government-efficiency-deep-state

Anti-UN and anti-Ukraine hawk to be UN ambassador

Opinion | Elise Stefanik's rapid rise could come crashing down at the U.N.

The rising star in the MAGA movement may see her momentum curtailed when she is shipped off to New York.

www.msnbc.com

Etc etc.

We are all in deep trouble.

And the Director of National Intelligence a Russian spy. You can't make this shit up.

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/worl...ussian-spy-gabbard-as-intel-chief/ar-AA1u27Ca

 

[Partridge]

I almost hit like, but then you said it was doubtful Trump is racist. Besides when it was proved in court, what else could he say to make you believe?

Being racist means genuinely believing one race is inferior to others. I don't believe that for a minute - not about any other current politician either. On either side.

Saying the odd stupid thing without thinking, no doubt at all.

 

[Partridge]

And that bit was less offensive than waving off sexual assault as "fooled around with women".

Just another Trump apologist trying to convince himself he's taking a balanced view.

Neither a Trump apologist nor a Republican nor a Democrat nor an American (loved living there though). I get to watch their elections with amused detachment.

The point was - why did the majority vote for him. I gave what I think are reasons. Rightly or wrongly it seems that's the way they went.

 

[stefcep]

getting to decide when the law matters and when it doesn't is the sign of a pissweak person of no integrity

I mean I expect it from trump but I expect better from you.

When the prosecutor is a registered Democrat who was elected running on a "Get Trump" platform, he's hardly impartial.

Anyway, tens of miilions of Americans who voted believed that his prosecutions were political. It might be ok in single party communist states, but its not ok to do that to political opponents in the US. And they voted to send that message.

 

[King Patty]

Well I agree with your "it resonates with people and they don't care", but not the parts where you suggest he isn't a racist misogynist. He's clearly those things, I'm surprised anyone would deny it.

How come Trump only became a racist after he wanted to become president?
You say he's a misogynist, but he is giving women important roles in his administration.

 

[stefcep]

We can only draw the conclusion (that they aren't stupid) IF what trump does achieves some improved outcomes or at least no significantly worse outcome.

He did that in his first term.

Trump's Numbers January 2020 Update - FactCheck.org

Statistical measures of how things have changed during Trump's first three years.

www.factcheck.org

The belief, given the outcomes of the first Trump administration is that he will not.

Last time that belief was proven wrong.

Trumps communication style does not endear himself to most posters here. But it is undeniable that he has a strong emotional resonance with the sections of the US public that voted for him.

Agreed. Never take Trump literally.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Neither a Trump apologist nor a Republican nor a Democrat nor an American (loved living there though). I get to watch their elections with amused detachment.

The point was - why did the majority vote for him. I gave what I think are reasons. Rightly or wrongly it seems that's the way they went.

As the other poster mentioned, you were going well when you gave reasons for why millions of Americans voted for him.

Then you played down his sexual assaults and racism. If you meant that you suspected those millions of Americans were ignoring those aspects, you're probably correct. But you went a step further and tried to suggest they weren't real.

 

[stefcep]

To me Trump is a part of it but far from all of it.

It's partly the economic situation, partly the feeling the Democrats have not only abandoned the working class, but now openly despise them (I think this one is a large factor), partly their relentless identity politics, and to a degree the celebrity endorsements. People aren't stupid, and nothing is going to grate more than arrogant, spoiled, pampered millionaires telling the working class who to vote for (and what to think).

Then add a rather curious twist that happened this time - people have started to like Trump. His many flaws are valid, but I suspect part of it is the bulk of the population aren't too bothered. They can also remember that he actually was in charge for four years already, and the world didn't stop spinning. So if they now display the exact same hysteria (and they have), they aren't going to listen. They also haven't grasped that an entire generation (at least) doesn't get their news the way people in the past did. They just aren't watching. Plenty do listen to podcasts though, and hearing him chat for 3+ hours on multiple shows made him more relatable. Watching him talk about his brother's alcoholism was not what I expected, put it that way.

There's also more access to information than ever and when they scream he's the most racist and sexist President ever everyone can whip out their phone and check. Fooled around with women? Sure, but hardly the first politician to do that, and nowhere near Kennedy. Racist? Doubtful, and not even close to Andrew Johnson or Woodrow Wilson. Sexist? Well, he just appointed the first ever female chief-of-staff, so he's not very good at it if that's the case.

I think more and more simply don't watch, follow, or trust the mainstream media, and have completely lost faith in the Democrats. It was never going to take much to make them switch, and you only need to look at any of the voting maps to see a lot did.

Great post.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

How come Trump only became a racist after he wanted to become president?
You say he's a misogynist, but he is giving women important roles in his administration.

There is a 1973 court case in which Trump and his father were charged with race bias in housing rentals. So, no it's not a new allegation, he's been racist forever.

And 'giving women important roles' is the new straw man for those defending his misogyny.