Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: Here we go again!

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USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

Continued from Part 1 - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-us-presidential-election-trump-vs-harris.1383317/

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USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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< - Trump 19 is back there.

 

[Royces Hart]

Nothing is worse than spoiled, pampered, arrogant millionaires telling the working class who to vote for.

Only billionaires should be allowed to do that.

 

[Saint]

There is a 1973 court case in which Trump and his father were charged with race bias in housing rentals. So, no it's not a new allegation, he's been racist forever.

And 'giving women important roles' is the new straw man for those defending his misogyny.

Race bias was the charge.

What happened was that the Trumps told the property managers not to let black people in. Directly told them not to allow black people to rent in the building. That's outright, overt racism. Proven in court that they did that. There's no excusing that.

And another court found on the balance of probabilities that Trump assaulted E Jean Carrol, and he's on tape admitting to assaulting women.

It's ok to admit that US voters don't care that he's racist and sexist. As you pointed out, that was the norm right up until the 50's and 60's, so most of US political history. But to pretend he's not racist and sexist just goes against both the proven facts, as well as his own rhetoric and the rhetoric of his supporters (Very great people on both sides - remember??)

 

[Saint]

When the prosecutor is a registered Democrat who was elected running on a "Get Trump" platform, he's hardly impartial.

Anyway, tens of miilions of Americans who voted believed that his prosecutions were political. It might be ok in single party communist states, but its not ok to do that to political opponents in the US. And they voted to send that message.

If Matt Gaetz starts prosecuting Democrats or revives charges against Hilary, will you support that?

 

[faible]

When the prosecutor is a registered Democrat who was elected running on a "Get Trump" platform, he's hardly impartial.

Anyway, tens of miilions of Americans who voted believed that his prosecutions were political. It might be ok in single party communist states, but its not ok to do that to political opponents in the US. And they voted to send that message.

Just because millions of Americans voted for Trump, doesn't mean Trump isn't a career criminal deserving of prosecution.

 

[spinynorman]

Do you have any suggestions as to what that "something" might be, other than yet more litigation large segments of the American public are already (hypothetically, perhaps demonstrably) beginning to dismiss as cynical and self serving?

So we have a Democrat, in Elizabeth Warren, introducing legislation in 2010 which effectively forces all incoming Presidents to swear they'll be good folks and avoid conflicts of interest. That's nice.
Given the history of the United States in this regard, it's junk legislation. Well, not precisely, but can be viewed that way when it is selectively enforced.

Published lists of members of the US Congress and the Senate with vested interests in the arms industry will show you just how much they are invested in that industry, by way of example.
Taking a look at US foreign policy, which more recently has been effectively a matter of sending arms to beleaguered nations in order for those nations to "defend themselves" rather than sending US personal in on "peacekeeping" missions, it would seem that there are more than a few figures in US government administrations who profit very nicely from US foreign policy.
Particularly when it serves their financial interests more to keep a war going, than it does to end it.

Note that this is just an example. The range of business interests US politicians are involved in is vast. I'm using the arms industry because it's of particular relevance in the context of vested interests.
Reality is, it's about as ineffective a piece of legislation as any historical requirement to swear in a court of law that you'll tell nothing but the truth.
"Pointing it out" is about all anyone has ever done... and even then, in a partisan fashion.

Should Trump sign it? Yes, probably. If for no other reason than giving the impression of compliance - as everyone else has done.
Creating the legislation as recently as about 15 years ago and then demanding it be used for the first time against Trump now, however, smacks of being more than a little histrionic.

*edit - I noted Warren's use of the term "illegal corruption" in there. I wonder what Elizabeth thinks legal corruption would look like. Perhaps she should ask some of her friends.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Race bias was the charge.

What happened was that the Trumps told the property managers not to let black people in. Directly told them not to allow black people to rent in the building. That's outright, overt racism. Proven in court that they did that. There's no excusing that.

And another court found on the balance of probabilities that Trump assaulted E Jean Carrol, and he's on tape admitting to assaulting women.

It's ok to admit that US voters don't care that he's racist and sexist. As you pointed out, that was the norm right up until the 50's and 60's, so most of US political history. But to pretend he's not racist and sexist just goes against both the proven facts, as well as his own rhetoric and the rhetoric of his supporters (Very great people on both sides - remember??)

Sorry - it was not proven in court.
Trump countersued and the case was settled out of court with no admissions made by either side.

The idea that he is racist is frankly ridiculous. He is an equal opportunity ridiculer.

 

[Saint]

The thing about this Cabinet, including Matt Gaetz as AG, is that they're mostly incompetents. And in only 4 years, they'll only achieve a fraction of what competent ghouls like Mitch McConnell could achieve.

Elon and Vivek won't realise that to sack a lot of the people they'll want to sack will require changes in legislation. They're used to companies where whatever they say goes. They'll need an army of lawyers to advise them on how to make whole departments redundant, if those departments have legislated outcomes and tenures.

Rubio will be walked all over by far more experienced foreign ministers from across the globe. Which won't mean a lot because Trump will mostly be acting on unilateral thought bubbles and won't understand the consequences of his actions. Watching Rubio and Trump try to negotiate with a Saudi Arabia who is now closer to Iran than Israel while at the same time doing everything Israel asks will be a sight to behold. Trump and Rubio will struggle to stay out of Israel dragging them further into war with Iran. And if they do, it'll cost them all their bases in the Middle East.

If you think Pete Hegseth can manage the Pentagon, then you don't know what the word Governance means. Defence contractors will be licking their lips, Musk included.

 

[faible]

The idea that he is racist is frankly ridiculous. He is an equal opportunity ridiculer.

Eh, it's not that ridiculous.

Both can be true. He looks down on anyone that's not him because he's a real shitty dude. He can also be racist.

 

[Saint]

Sorry - it was not proven in court.
Trump countersued and the case was settled out of court with no admissions made by either side.

The idea that he is racist is frankly ridiculous. He is an equal opportunity ridiculer.

Name me one point in time when Trump has ridiculed white people as a group or white women, or white men.

There's hundreds of examples of Hispanics, Jews, black, Native Americans. But I never hear him referring to "whites" in any way. I can't even recall him referring to any white sub-groups like Catholics/Protestants or Poles and Italians, classic old racist tropes in the USA.

You probably just didn't notice this.

 

[Partridge]

Sorry - it was not proven in court.
Trump countersued and the case was settled out of court with no admissions made by either side.

The idea that he is racist is frankly ridiculous. He is an equal opportunity ridiculer.

No doubt about this part at all.

 

[Partridge]

As the other poster mentioned, you were going well when you gave reasons for why millions of Americans voted for him.

Then you played down his sexual assaults and racism. If you meant that you suspected those millions of Americans were ignoring those aspects, you're probably correct. But you went a step further and tried to suggest they weren't real.

Thought that part was obvious.

 

[Saint]

Thought that part was obvious.

And we agree with it. Yes, voters ignore Trump's past crimes. It's only the part when you said it's "ridiculous" to think he's racist and sexist.

He's more racist than Pauline Hanson and Andrew Bolt. And they've been proven racist in court too.

 

[Maggie5]

When the prosecutor is a registered Democrat who was elected running on a "Get Trump" platform, he's hardly impartial.

Link?

 

[Maggie5]

There is a 1973 court case in which Trump and his father were charged with race bias in housing rentals. So, no it's not a new allegation, he's been racist forever.

And 'giving women important roles' is the new straw man for those defending his misogyny.

Death for NY five, ban on muslims, called Mexican rapists just some examples. No way he isn't racists.

Don't start me on women.

I can't believe how stupid some posters are.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Thought that part was obvious.

Far from it ...

...

There's also more access to information than ever and when they scream he's the most racist and sexist President ever everyone can whip out their phone and check. Fooled around with women? Sure, but hardly the first politician to do that, and nowhere near Kennedy. Racist? Doubtful, and not even close to Andrew Johnson or Woodrow Wilson. Sexist? Well, he just appointed the first ever female chief-of-staff, so he's not very good at it if that's the case.

I'm going to pretend it was just clumsy wording and leave it there.

 

[Blue1980]

Yeah coz he triggerd WW 2.5 last time so its now time for WW 3.0

If WW3 did begin under his watch I’m sure you’d figure out some way of convincing yourself it was a good thing.

 

[King Patty]

Name me one point in time when Trump has ridiculed white people as a group or white women, or white men.

There's hundreds of examples of Hispanics, Jews, black, Native Americans. But I never hear him referring to "whites" in any way. I can't even recall him referring to any white sub-groups like Catholics/Protestants or Poles and Italians, classic old racist tropes in the USA.

You probably just didn't notice this.

well there was that one time, when he did but the media made out that said something entirely different.

The Neo-Nazis and The white nationalists should be condemned totally.

At the Al smith dinner, frequently talked about the catholics etc.

 

[Nuggets73]

.... Just wait until Trump announces Candace Owens as press secretary!

 

[Satan]

.... Just wait until Trump announces Candace Owens as press secretary!

Alina , so he can be close to her while wife 3 stays in florida

Melania ‘is still a constant voice in Trump’s ear’ despite likely White House absence

The returning first lady is expected to spend most of her time between New York City, where 18-year-old Barron is studying at NYU, and Palm Beach, Florida

www.independent.co.uk

 

[stefcep]

If WW3 did begin under his watch I’m sure you’d figure out some way of convincing yourself it was a good thing.

Unlike you I actually deal in facts not imaginary what ifs.

 

[Maggie5]

Yeah coz he triggerd WW 2.5 last time so its now time for WW 3.0

Which world leader did trigger WW 2.5.

Anyone?

 

[Royces Hart]

If WW3 did begin under his watch I’m sure you’d figure out some way of convincing yourself it was a good thing.

“Some countries need to be bullied”

 

[stefcep]

Link?

search Alvin Bragg, NY prosecutor, registered Democrat, repeatedly making references to pursue Trump during Bragg's campaign to get elected.

 

[MPMonkeys]

Name me one point in time when Trump has ridiculed white people as a group or white women, or white men.

There's hundreds of examples of Hispanics, Jews, black, Native Americans. But I never hear him referring to "whites" in any way. I can't even recall him referring to any white sub-groups like Catholics/Protestants or Poles and Italians, classic old racist tropes in the USA.

You probably just didn't notice this.

Hundreds of examples?
Name 5.

 

[Vassp]

There is a 1973 court case in which Trump and his father were charged with race bias in housing rentals. So, no it's not a new allegation, he's been racist forever.

And 'giving women important roles' is the new straw man for those defending his misogyny.

Yep great post, lets go back to 1973 and label someone a racist because he had a preference/ bias.

Its a SAD ass thread but i love it, you guys need to get over the trump bashing.