Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: Here we go again!

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USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

Continued from Part 1 - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-us-presidential-election-trump-vs-harris.1383317/

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USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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< - Trump 19 is back there.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

I can think of quite a few reasons that Bill wasn't passed, beyond the purely political.

Have you even bothered to try to?

LOL. I'm happy to hear your wisdom on this.

For the obvious reason, bipartisan bills usually pass.

 

[Bloods86]

Comedy is legal again.

Joke's on him, Trump doesn't drink.

 

[Financialpanther]

Comedy is legal again.

Singing in public is legal, doesn’t mean everyone should.

And yes this still applies to Kid Rock

 

[Bloods86]

It's very bad optics to keep someone in a role where they have done nothing but bad mouth the person that now happens to run thr country that he's bases in.

And Rudd is a weasel for trying to delete those tweets as though they never happened.

Trump probably then shouldn't appoint people who said he was stoking racism and bigotry, had disdain for American values (Gabbard), was a con artist (Rubio), America's Hitler or opiate of the masses (Vance), that he "filled his administration with swamp creatures", was probably a sociopath and referred to Trump's social media posting as unhinged, barely coherent (RFK Jr).

 

[Gough]

Joke's on him, Trump doesn't drink.

The White House pharmacy will look like it's dispensing to the Rolling Stones c1972 again though.

 

[spinynorman]

The problem with the up coming Trump Presidency is that it doesn't represent anything American.
The people have been sold a fake US President..

Trump and everyone filling his cabinet is a uniquely American grotesque. I think attempts to paint it as anything other than this, as some kind of outlier blip, is to ignore what America is and exactly what's wrong with it.

 

[Chief]

I don't think you're really aware of the scale of the problem in the USA, Chief. Not many around here really are... most live far away in Australia, and are free to sit back and discuss the moral issues on a forum far removed from any actual involvement.
...

If you want the short answer, it would be that you really need to stop focusing on the bullshit.

Does it matter, then?

 

[Chief]

A quick statistic. In December 2023, during the last phases of the Biden administration, Illegal "encounters" at the Southern border with Mexico reached a historic high of approximately 250,000. A quarter of a million attempts, in one month.

Important to note that this includes multiple attempts by the same people who were turned back.

Do they know how many actually succeeded?

Where they were from and what events in their own countries drove them to flee?

 

[Satan]

Important to note that this includes multiple attempts by the same people who were turned back.

Do they know how many actually succeeded?

Where they were from and what events in their own countries drove them to flee?

Congo but not sure which one

 

[Chief]

In August 2024, at the height of the Presidential election campaign, it fell to a record low of just under 60,000.

So you are crediting Trump, not the administration actually running things at that time?

 

[Chief]

It's very bad optics to keep someone in a role where they have done nothing but bad mouth the person that now happens to run thr country that he's bases in.

And Rudd is a weasel for trying to delete those tweets as though they never happened.

Sky News chyron?

What would it have told you to think if he had not deleted them?

 

[Xtreme]

What would it have told you to think if he had not deleted them?

He's an opinionated moron AND his opinion about Trump is wrong

 

[GhostofJimJess]

At least all of these Trump voters are now forced to have to live with other Trump voters.

Imagine being surrounded by a bunch of imbeciles who embody Trumps traits. You couldn't trust anyone.

 

[Financialpanther]

At least all of these Trump voters are now forced to have to live with other Trump voters.

Imagine being surrounded by a bunch of imbeciles who embody Trumps traits. You couldn't trust anyone.

Nothings really changed for the trump voters to be honest.

Who needs to live with things is the disenfranchised dem voters and swing voters that stayed home.

 

[rumply]

get in there Donald!!

 

[Carringbush2010]

Let’s hope this most powerful politician gets on with the job rather than rub opponents noses in it like many many of his supporters seem to be doing

And his opponents, and their supporters are squeaky clean in every way and are gracious in defeat.

But yes, I hope he gets on with it too.

Gets on with what exactly?

trump doesn't give the impression of doing 'positive' things.

Mass deportation
The allusion of isolation from the world (this is really really bad for the liberal democratic alliance and the states)
Tarrifs and by extension global trade wars
Womens and trans peoples right to choice
Finish the war in Ukraine, 'Vlad go home with what you've taken, Zelensky, stiff shit' - this will encourage vlad to annexe other nearby neighbors with such a free pass and trump won't care, coz he's an isolationist remember.
Finish the war in ME, 'Hey Bibi, finish it already, Palestine, stiff shit', again trump likes this coz he hates islamic ideology.

The only thing I can think of as 'positive' is for the 1% that will benefit from his hair brained tariff concept. While it's negative for everyone else.

What's a worse outcome?

• democracy ending in America.
• being called a hypocrite.

I know which one I think is worse.

I would put the first dot point as.

• Ending democracy in America and threatening the alliance of democracy around the planet as a result

 

[Chief]

get in there Donald!!

Free money, Don!

 

[Bloods86]

get in there Donald!!

You realise he and other Republicans have been President before right?

 

[Episode IV]

Why don’t you share those with us. Enlighten us.

Sure.
Again, without overcomplicating things, the short answer is that most of the measures planned to be introduced by the Biden Administration in early 2024 provided band-aid, short term solutions to a sustained problem, to the tune of some 20 billion dollars. Not only that, but many of those measures were officially declared as being "temporary", and to "apply until such time as the situation was bought under control".

For the most part, the measures were designed to increase the number of Judges processing asylum applications, increase border security personnel, increase ICE infrastructure, and a slight increase in the effort to combat associated illegal operations with illegal immigration (drug trafficking, etc).
Much of the financial effort proposed went towards generally improving the lot of those unfortunates who were already mired within the system... not to prevent hundreds of thousands entering that system to begin with.

Then you've got State law vs Federal law, and the extent to which the states were going to be handed the responsibility (and the bill) in some circumstances further muddying the waters.


There's a much longer answer, too.
The point of my initial response to the statement that "Trump blocked it for political purposes", or something along those lines, was that it was a ridiculous and reductive statement to make.

 

[Episode IV]

Does it matter, then?

I think it does, yes.
When wild, outlandish statements and vague appeals to humanity become the norm, reasonable argument becomes a casualty.
The "improvement" of the state becomes secondary to who gets to be in charge of deciding how that is to be achieved.

The Democrats are as much to blame for the erosion of democracy as anyone else - if not more so - and again, Trump is a symptom of political direction in the USA, not the cause.

 

[Not Important]

and not only ted.

Christopher Webb (@cwebbonline.bsky.social)

The irony… HHS nominee, RFK Jr’s mission is to dismantle the very agencies and programs his uncle fought tirelessly to fund, like the NIH and Medicaid. Before his death, Ted Kennedy championed universal health care, calling it “the cause of my life.” He must be turning over in his grave!

bsky.app

 

[Not Important]

this.

marque lawyers (@marquelawyers.bsky.social)

The reason Trump won is the same reason people enjoyed watching a 58-year-old man being punched in the head: humans haven’t evolved nearly as much as we like to pretend.

bsky.app

 

[Episode IV]

Important to note that this includes multiple attempts by the same people who were turned back.

Do they know how many actually succeeded?

Where they were from and what events in their own countries drove them to flee?

Yes, no, and for the purpose of this particular question (illegal immigration at the Southern border of the USA and the respective attempts of Biden and Trump to bring it under control), it's begun to matter less.

So you are crediting Trump, not the administration actually running things at that time

I don't think "crediting" is a word I'd use in this context.

I'm acknowledging and pointing out important factors influencing a decline or increase in illegal immigration.
Making them not want to come in the first place is an effective tactic.
Trump's avowed views and the administration he's planning to put into place are important factors in this regard.

 

[Chief]

Yes, no, and for the purpose of this particular question (illegal immigration at the Southern border of the USA and the respective attempts of Biden and Trump to bring it under control), it's begun to matter less.


I don't think "crediting" is a word I'd use in this context.

I'm acknowledging and pointing out important factors influencing a decline or increase in illegal immigration.
Making them not want to come in the first place is an effective tactic.
Trump's avowed views and the administration he's planning to put into place are important factors in this regard.

So, months before the election result is known, people started accepting their own dire situation and not trying to leave for the US because they thought Trump would make it harder for them to enter?

Any push factors you'd credit? Or is it all pull factors?

 

[the_interloper]

Trump has just entered the building at todays UFC, not sure if this is an MMA event or a Trump rally, they’re even playing Trump footage on the big screens ha ha