Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 20: If you want Capitalism, you got it

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USA - 2024 US Presidential Election: Trump vs Harris (pt II)

Continued from Part 1 - https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-us-presidential-election-trump-vs-harris.1383317/

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USA - Kamala Harris Concedes. God Help America

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< - Trump 19 is back there.

 

[Royces Hart]

Precipitated by the fact Don will mandate that each person has in their bedroom a picture of him on the wall.

 

[Satan]

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Where was spoiler alert

 

[Chief]

Joe Rogan earnestly claiming Trump brings a real chance of solid change.

In a few years he will point to some statistics that show, say, a continuation of lower inflation, ignoring that it started before Kamala lost the election.

Don will yet again point to the stock market as proof of his genius.

And nobody on the bottom of the pile will have a materially improved life.

Bookmark it:

 

[campbell]

Where was spoiler alert

and the vomit button...

 

[Satan]

and the vomit button...

 

[KnobHead]

However Trump won't make life more affordable for them.

100% agree

But when people vote they’re thinking of the “here and now” and hope it will b better under Trump because they were better off under the first 3 years of his presidency.





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[Goroyals22]

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What if that was Obama or another Democrat that faced court for that?

None would.. the republicans don’t seem to want to weaponise the Doj against their political opponents at this point..


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[Satan]

None would.. the republicans don’t seem to want to weaponise the Doj against their political opponents at this point..


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2 weeks

 

[Financialpanther]

None would.. the republicans don’t seem to want to weaponise the Doj against their political opponents at this point..


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What would be the point of doing it now with Biden holding for the most part, ability to pardon.

Come late January - watch Stephen Miller do his ambitious best

 

[Fire]

She was a vanilla candidate. I cannot point to one single risk Harris took in the whole campaign. Vanilla does not work anymore.

I also do agree that being a woman was a factor and being a black woman was a huge factor. The USA is the least progressive first world nation on the planet - always has been.

I very specifically said you can criticize her campaign. I was responding to the claim she was a terrible candidate. No, she wasn't. Her problem, from a purley candidate perspective, was she was a woman.

Her campaign I will agree was vanilla, and her strategy of targeting Republicans blew up as they, along with a chunk of her base, stayed home. They need to speak to the working class. Trump has proven that the working class don't give a shit if you shaft them, just so long as you're speaking to them. And to tie it together, they clearley won't want to share a beer with a black woman.

 

[campbell]

I very specifically said you can criticize her campaign. I was responding to the claim she was a terrible candidate. No, she wasn't. Her problem, from a purley candidate perspective, was she was a woman.

Her campaign I will agree was vanilla, and her strategy of targeting Republicans blew up as they, along with a chunk of her base, stayed home. They need to speak to the working class. Trump has proven that the working class don't give a shit if you shaft them, just so long as you're speaking to them. And to tie it together, they clearley won't want to share a beer with a black woman.

exactly.A very racist misogynist country.

They were sold the ultimate con.

 

[Goroyals22]

Glad you asked this question. Here is a quote from the article I linked earlier (and have linked again below) which answers this very question:


"It would have been entirely in order for Biden to declare that as long as he remains president, for the next 70 days, Trump is on political probation, and that the “peaceful transfer of power” requires guarantees of the peaceful and democratic exercise of power after January 20. This would include Trump making public who he will nominate as his principal cabinet officers, particularly those in charge of the military-intelligence apparatus.

In the meantime, Biden would be entitled as president to consult with Democratic governors and members of Congress on ways to protect the rights of the majority of Americans who did not vote for Trump, including the 70 million who voted for Harris, the tens of millions who refused to vote for either candidate, and the many millions whose anger and frustration was exploited by Trump’s right-wing populist demagogy, but have no desire to install a dictator-president. Instead, Biden gives Trump carte blanche.

In his posture and actions, Biden resembles an outgoing Democratic president of more than 150 years ago, James Buchanan, usually ranked by historians—until Trump—as the worst president in American history. After the victory of Abraham Lincoln over Buchanan in the 1860 election, the pro-slavery Democrat effectively gave a green light to the gathering Confederate insurrection. He took no action to protect federal military installations and stockpiles in the South, allowing the secessionists to seize them and gain an initial military advantage."

Democrats grovel before Trump

President Biden and Vice President Harris have pledged full cooperation with the incoming fascist president-elect, while issuing no warning to the American people of the dangers of mass repression and rule by force.

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Did you not see Joe yesterday? He is happy as a pig in you know what because he goes down as the only bloke who could beat Trump, the people who organised a plot to remove him got beat and he sails off into the sunset..


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[stefcep]

I very specifically said you can criticize her campaign. I was responding to the claim she was a terrible candidate. No, she wasn't. Her problem, from a purley candidate perspective, was she was a woman.

Her campaign I will agree was vanilla, and her strategy of targeting Republicans blew up as they, along with a chunk of her base, stayed home. They need to speak to the working class. Trump has proven that the working class don't give a shit if you shaft them, just so long as you're speaking to them. And to tie it together, they clearley won't want to share a beer with a black woman.

Its like without the working class, the progressives are nothing. Ha, who would have thought that?

 

[stefcep]

exactly.A very racist misogynist country.

They were sold the ultimate con.

Yes with their lives going to shit under the Democrats, the obvious thing is to vote for those who think them deplorable garbage, and expect a different outcome.

 

[Tadpole]

Precipitated by the fact Don will mandate that each person has in their bedroom a picture of him on the wall.

If that doesn’t turn you off, I don’t know what will.

 

[Financialpanther]

Yes with their lives going to shit under the Democrats, the obvious thing is to vote for those who think them deplorable garbage, and expect a different outcome.

They’re lives will be shit under either party - they just voted who they think would make it less shit.

 

[stefcep]

They’re lives will be shit under either party - they just voted who they think would make it less shit.

Well here's the thing. I've posted evidence where southeast Red state economies are growing faster than Blue ones and now their GDP output has actually overtaken some of the biggest Blue states. I think things will get better for them.

 

[Financialpanther]

Well here's the thing. I've posted evidence where southeast Red state economies are growing faster than Blue ones and now their GDP output has actually overtaken some of the biggest Blue states. I think things will get better for them.

I stand by my statement - they’re lives in their view will be likely less shit.

 

[Osho]

PA by 140k votes for 19 EV. Margin change 3.1%
Mich by 80k for 15. MC 4.2%
Wisc by 30k for 10. MC 1.5%
That's 250k for 44 EVs.
That's the election right there.
While EVs are a large gap, the vote in close states was really really tight.

The other tight call was:
GA 115k for 16. 2.4%.

Reps matched or bettered the Dems ground game where it mattered. They learnt from the 2020 loss.

Young men, some minority ethnic groups, moved to Reps. White women activation was exaggerated.

Presidential Election Results: Trump Wins

Get live presidential results and maps from every state and county in the 2024 election.

www.nytimes.com

 

[stefcep]

The lives being less shit has to be a good thing, right?

And its likely to get better if things keep going:

The Southeast accounted for more than two-thirds of all job growth across the US since early 2020, almost doubling its pre-pandemic share. And it was home to 10 of the 15 fastest-growing American large cities.

US South Economic Power on the Rise​

Six fast-growing Southern states saw their aggregated share of national GDP soar above New York and the rest of the Northeast during the pandemic

Source: US Bureau of Economic Analysis

 

[Financialpanther]

Perceived to be less shit.

If the trajectory holds - maybe. But there are plenty of unknowns incoming such as new economic policy that potentially could change the environment.

 

[IlovethePies]

Thus are coalitions ruined, because you clearly do not give a shit about the struggles of other people. Good luck rebelling against the capitalist pigs without anyone from a minority group. Should be good watching you come to the realisation that you needed them more than they needed you.

It's a bit of a pisser that you're making the exact same mistakes as the Democrats do; they take minority votes for granted in the precise same way you do.

You are totally wrong.

 

[Vassp]

Disgusting America. Racist to the core. I hope the perpetrators are caught and jailed.

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Some nutjob......

Australia is racist. Not as racist, but we still are.

 

[IlovethePies]

Thus are coalitions ruined, because you clearly do not give a shit about the struggles of other people. Good luck rebelling against the capitalist pigs without anyone from a minority group. Should be good watching you come to the realisation that you needed them more than they needed you.

It's a bit of a pisser that you're making the exact same mistakes as the Democrats do; they take minority votes for granted in the precise same way you do.

What coalitions are you referring to? Coalitions based on what? You are referring to opportunist coallitions based on a single issue, which fall apart as soon as a political shock hits. Just look at Melenchon's coalition in France. He told his supporters they should vote for Macron because he would block the path of fascism. Since then Macron has instituted a government which is controlled by the neo-fascists, and the so called "coalition" has splintered apart as ex coalition members joined Macron instead.



You're rude and abusive to me precisely because I am pointing out the fatal political mistakes that led the Democrats to the point where they have handed over the presidency to a fascist conman.

You support the Democrats, and their liberal fake left hangers on, hence your pathetic outrage

 

[Gethelred]

You are totally wrong.

You are welcome to demonstrate it.

What coalitions are you referring to? Coalitions based on what?

... the entire struggle of the working class against the ownership classes is a coalition between groups that outside of this do not get along so well. This group comprises everyone who works for a living; in an American context, that means CEO's whose wages are paid by shareholders to black nationalists in slums in the American south to racist rednecks in the midwest. It's a global effort, and there are so many groups that you simply cannot afford to ignore any part of them.

But you're not reading for understanding. You're reading to bounce off, to react.

You are referring to opportunist coallitions based on a single issue

No, I'm not. You're not reading my posts. And as a consequence, snip!

You're rude and abusive to me...

At no point have I been rude or abusive to you. Pointing out the flaws in your arguments does not constitute rudeness.

... precisely because I am pointing out the fatal political mistakes that led the Democrats to the point where they have handed over the presidency to a fascist conman.

You support the Democrats, hence your pathetic outrage

... dude, this is a pisser. At no point have I ever supported the Democrats.

It is difficult to achieve the degree to which you are wrong. Congratulations.