Play Nice 47th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 21: President Musk

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[Festerz]

Sydney Morning Herald reporting that Trump is considering taking action against Australia's $18 billion subsidised medicines program (Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme) which subsidises the cost of medicines for all Australians.

Big US pharmaceutical companies have always hated the Australian PBS program - which is a critical part of Australia's subsidised health care program - which forces them to negotiate much lower prices for their products in Australia than they charge in the unregulated US if they wish to be included in the scheme. Trump is the first US President who seems to be ready to take action on their complaints and is ready to apply higher 'reciprocal tariffs' on Australian goods entering the US in response.

How do the MAGA cheer squad out there feel about that?

 

[Festerz]

U.S. and Russia Had ‘Productive’ Discussions About Ukraine Cease-Fire, Trump Says

Talks in Moscow with a U.S. special envoy indicated that Russia was keen to keep negotiating with the United States over Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

A copy of those 'signals' from Putin to Trump have been leaked:

 

[Satan]

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Sydney Morning Herald reporting that Trump is considering taking action against Australia's $18 billion subsidised medicines program (Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme) which subsidises the cost of medicines for all Australians.

Big US pharmaceutical companies have always hated the Australian program which forces them to negotiate much lower prices for their products in Australia than they charge in the US if they wish to be included in the scheme. Trump is the first US President who seems tpo be ready to take action on their complaints and is ready to apply higher 'reciprocal tariffs' on Australian goods entering the US in response.

Funny just posted this elsewhere . As a result of a stroke , my meds on the pbs make life easier

 

[Satan]

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U.S. and Russia Had ‘Productive’ Discussions About Ukraine Cease-Fire, Trump Says

Talks in Moscow with a U.S. special envoy indicated that Russia was keen to keep negotiating with the United States over Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

A copy of those 'signals' from Putin to Trump have been leaked:

After the Russian leader met with Steve Witkoff, the U.S. special envoy, in Moscow, late Thursday, top officials at both the White House and the Kremlin expressed “cautious optimism.”

Yeah nah on that

 

[MC Bad Genius]

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Sydney Morning Herald reporting that Trump is considering taking action against Australia's $18 billion subsidised medicines program (Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme) which subsidises the cost of medicines for all Australians.

Big US pharmaceutical companies have always hated the Australian PBS program - which is a critical part of Australia's subsidised health care program - which forces them to negotiate much lower prices for their products in Australia than they charge in the unregulated US if they wish to be included in the scheme. Trump is the first US President who seems to be ready to take action on their complaints and is ready to apply higher 'reciprocal tariffs' on Australian goods entering the US in response.

How do the MAGA cheer squad out there feel about that?

They feel great about it. I wouldn't have thought you'd need to ask that question, really. It's just from a (likely ill-informed) place of self-interest. The thought process goes like this:

1. Our medication is too expensive.
2. Why do Australians (and people in other countries) get it so much cheaper? That's not fair.
3. Trump will crack down on PBS and similar deals in other countries.
4. The price of medications in other countries will go up.
5. Pharmaceutical companies can then lower prices in America because they're not subsidising other countries anymore.
6. My medication is now so much cheaper.
7. Thank God for President Trump.

I mean, you could also just boil it down to a two-word slogan - America First. That about sums it up.

 

[samFFC]

Schumer you are done

Schumer spending bill fallout a symptom of disjointed Democratic strategy: ANALYSIS

If Democrats want to mount a fight, it would require coherent collective strategy.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Satan]

Pharmaceutical companies can then lower prices in America because they're not subsidising other countries anymore.

Not sure they will

 

[Festerz]

After the Russian leader met with Steve Witkoff, the U.S. special envoy, in Moscow, late Thursday, top officials at both the White House and the Kremlin expressed “cautious optimism.”

Yeah nah on that

Trump's aim is for his deal - the ceasefire - to be agreed. He couldn't give a feck about the long term of Ukraine or what happens WHEN (not if) the ceasefire fails. It's the deal and not the consequences for the weak partner in the deal - in this case the invaded country of Ukraine and its people who matter.

It's all about the short term optics for Trump and Putin knows this. They will give him short term glory of a ceasefire, but on terms that embed Russia in the eastern territories and time to restock and replenish to continue there obliteration of Ukraine at a later date.

It's all smoke and mirrors for Trump - the appearance of winning for his MAGA crowd and Billionaire backers.

THAT's who we now have as our main strategic partner and protector in our part of the world.

 

[samFFC]

They feel great about it. I wouldn't have thought you'd need to ask that question, really. It's just from a (likely ill-informed) place of self-interest. The thought process goes like this:

1. Our medication is too expensive.
2. Why do Australians (and people in other countries) get it so much cheaper? That's not fair.
3. Trump will crack down on PBS and similar deals in other countries.
4. The price of medications in other countries will go up.
5. Pharmaceutical companies can then lower prices in America because they're not subsidising other countries anymore.
6. My medication is now so much cheaper.
7. Thank God for President Trump.

I mean, you could also just boil it down to a two-word slogan - America First. That about sums it up.

What about the MAGA cheer squad in Aus?

 

[MC Bad Genius]

Not sure they will

Oh, I 100% agree with you on that. I was just talking about the thought process of Trump's supporters.

I mean, if this is all goes ahead, they will undoubtedly reduce it a little to appease the masses, but it won't impact their bottom line at all.

What about the MAGA cheer squad in Aus?

The same as always: "I applaud America putting Americans first, and we should be supporting Australia to do the same."

 

[Visions]

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U.S. and Russia Had ‘Productive’ Discussions About Ukraine Cease-Fire, Trump Says

Talks in Moscow with a U.S. special envoy indicated that Russia was keen to keep negotiating with the United States over Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

Trump just parroting Russian propaganda about the encirclement of Ukrainian troops in Kursk when there is no such thing.

Even if the case, why would they surrender when Russia just execute and behead Ukrainian POW’s.

Also after meeting with Ukraine, they gave a statement advising the outlines of the ceasefire. After meeting with Russia, its “cautios optimism” with no details of what Putin has asked for.

The reason is because its all hogwash, but without anything to back him up or releasing details, Trump will then blame Ukraine on not pursuing peace.

 

[Festerz]

They feel great about it. I wouldn't have thought you'd need to ask that question, really. It's just from a (likely ill-informed) place of self-interest. The thought process goes like this:

1. Our medication is too expensive.
2. Why do Australians (and people in other countries) get it so much cheaper? That's not fair.
3. Trump will crack down on PBS and similar deals in other countries.
4. The price of medications in other countries will go up.
5. Pharmaceutical companies can then lower prices in America because they're not subsidising other countries anymore.
6. My medication is now so much cheaper.
7. Thank God for President Trump.

I mean, you could also just boil it down to a two-word slogan - America First. That about sums it up.

Yep. No doubt Big Pharma use the cross subsidisation argument - that prices of their products for US citizens is higher than it should be because they are forced to sell at a loss in countries like Australia with 'socialised' medicine and health care.

But that argument is false on many grounds, and you only need to look at the geographic region P&L/Balance Sheets of companies like Johnson & Johnson and Roche to see that claim is utter BS.

And what irks them about our PBS is not just that they are forced to the negotiation table if they want to keep their products on the taxpayer subsidised PBS list. It's that their monopoly of product supply in Australia is removed after several years allowing generic manufacturers to supply cheap products in pharmacies.

(the fact that many Australian pharmacies STILL fail to provide that cost reduction for generic alternatives to their customers and keep the margin for themselves irks me greatly but that's another issue).


The PBS is one of the largest and fastest growing components in dollar terms of the Federal Government Health Budget but it is one that has huge support across all parties and the Australian people. It ensures that ALL Australians regardless of wealth and financial position have access to affordable medicines.

Any caring leader with a view to improving the well being of their citizens would be looking at emulating that scheme for their own people. But that is not who Trump is. He cares only for the plutocrats who fund him and support him.

Time for Albanese and Dutton to stop looking like they enjoy their balls being squeezed by this bully. You negotiate with bullies and you're just giving them the licence to squeeze harder. Fight back - first with words and then actions.

Albo - you used tough words this week when it came to that American idiot who grabbed a baby wombat from it's mother - how about talking the tough talk with Trump?

 

[Visions]

Schumer you are done

Schumer spending bill fallout a symptom of disjointed Democratic strategy: ANALYSIS

If Democrats want to mount a fight, it would require coherent collective strategy.

abcnews.go.com

First chance they get to fight back against Trump, and they failed. Gave Trump everything he wanted with the funding bill, he can boast to the world how he owns them.

Bunch of spineless muppets in the Democrats.

 

[Crow54]

First chance they get to fight back against Trump, and they failed. Gave Trump everything he wanted with the funding bill, he can boast to the world how he owns them.

Bunch of spineless muppets in the Democrats.

Yes, as a Democratic Senator, you should feel sick if Trump praises you. I hope Schumer suffers the consequences.

 

[Spearman]

What’s this guys deal? Threatening annexation of Canada again. Imagine American troops just rounding up Canadians. Why? Because we followed the deal he put together?

Loving the whole “elbows up” movement over here.

I think this one is the "Big Distraction" for the first part of his admin. The other numbskull stuff isn't getting enough reaction. No one in the States can twist themselves into hating the Great White North people. If you find one, sure bet it's a cultist. I also wouldn't doubt that it's being continued longer than it might have been as a political ploy, because Trump is offended by the photos of Mel and Trudeau.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

He really is a dumb ****

 

[Festerz]

First chance they get to fight back against Trump, and they failed. Gave Trump everything he wanted with the funding bill, he can boast to the world how he owns them.

Bunch of spineless muppets in the Democrats.

Republicans control the Senate

Republicans control the Senate

Republicans control the Supreme Court.

But sure, blame the minority Democrats for what's happening in the US right now

As has been widely reported in The New York Times and Washington Post, placing blame at the hands of the minority Democrats in the House for not willing to shut down the government so soon after Presidential election is misplaced and would likely have backfired on the Democrats in the longer term.

The real issue - the elephant in the room - is that the Republicans have handed over control of spending, oversight and other issues directly to Donald Trump and his unelected henchmen billionaires in direct defiance of the safeguards in the Constitution.

Democrats blowing their load in a one trick pony attempt to shut down the government would bring short term pain and would change nothing in the longer term. Trump and his media supporters would use that action to brand Democrats as being undemocratic, irresponsible and justification for usurping the power of Congress even further.

The ones with the power to change are the Republicans - they have to be made to be fully accountable for what Trump is doing.

This from today's New York Times:


The Republican-led Congress isn’t just watching the Trump administration gobble up its constitutional powers. It is enthusiastically turning them over to the White House.

G.O.P. lawmakers are doing so this week by embracing a stopgap spending bill that gives the administration wide discretion over how federal dollars are distributed, in effect handing off the legislative branch’s spending authority to President Trump. But that is just one example of how Congress, under unified Republican control, is proactively relinquishing some of its fundamental and critical authority on oversight, economic issues and more.

As they cleared the way for passing the spending measure on Tuesday, House Republicans leaders also quietly surrendered their chamber’s ability to undo Mr. Trump’s tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China in an effort to shield their members from having to take a politically tough vote. That switched off the only legislative recourse that Congress has to challenge the tariffs that are all but certain to have a major impact on their constituents.

Republicans have also stood by, many of them cheering, as the administration has upended federal departments and programs funded by Congress and fired thousands of workers with no notice to or consultation with the lawmakers charged with overseeing federal agencies. So far, no congressional committee has held an oversight hearing to scrutinize the moves or demand answers that would typically be expected when an administration undertakes such major changes.

Under G.O.P., Congress Cedes Power to Trump, Eroding Its Influence

On spending, oversight and other issues, Republican lawmakers have willingly ceded power traditionally reserved for Congress to the Trump White House.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Strange Cat]

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Sydney Morning Herald reporting that Trump is considering taking action against Australia's $18 billion subsidised medicines program (Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme) which subsidises the cost of medicines for all Australians.

Big US pharmaceutical companies have always hated the Australian PBS program - which is a critical part of Australia's subsidised health care program - which forces them to negotiate much lower prices for their products in Australia than they charge in the unregulated US if they wish to be included in the scheme. Trump is the first US President who seems to be ready to take action on their complaints and is ready to apply higher 'reciprocal tariffs' on Australian goods entering the US in response.

How do the MAGA cheer squad out there feel about that?

And here lies the problem with Trump and Muskrat…they both feel very entitled to tell other countries how to run things and I really hope that he get told to **** off regardless of the consequences.

Mark my words they’ll start a war with a NATO country soon they can’t help themselves…I would seriously start considering pulling all the bases and US personnel around the country

**** them I hope Albo is solidifying our ties to the European collation because America is fast becoming Nazi germany

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

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Sydney Morning Herald reporting that Trump is considering taking action against Australia's $18 billion subsidised medicines program (Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme) which subsidises the cost of medicines for all Australians.

Big US pharmaceutical companies have always hated the Australian PBS program - which is a critical part of Australia's subsidised health care program - which forces them to negotiate much lower prices for their products in Australia than they charge in the unregulated US if they wish to be included in the scheme. Trump is the first US President who seems to be ready to take action on their complaints and is ready to apply higher 'reciprocal tariffs' on Australian goods entering the US in response.

How do the MAGA cheer squad out there feel about that?

This prick needs to stay in his lane, fix the Country he is "leading" and forget about pipe dreams like Greenland and Canada.
You won't MAGA if all you do is drag others down to your own poor standards.

 

[CarnTheScray]

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Sydney Morning Herald reporting that Trump is considering taking action against Australia's $18 billion subsidised medicines program (Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme) which subsidises the cost of medicines for all Australians.

Big US pharmaceutical companies have always hated the Australian PBS program - which is a critical part of Australia's subsidised health care program - which forces them to negotiate much lower prices for their products in Australia than they charge in the unregulated US if they wish to be included in the scheme. Trump is the first US President who seems to be ready to take action on their complaints and is ready to apply higher 'reciprocal tariffs' on Australian goods entering the US in response.

How do the MAGA cheer squad out there feel about that?

How exactly would he go about this? Is this even achievable?

Time to get Germany on the phone for their pharmaceuticals.

 

[Strange Cat]

This prick needs to stay in his lane, fix the Country he is "leading" and forget about pipe dreams like Greenland and Canada.
You won't MAGA if all you do is drag others down to your own poor standards.

It won’t stop from this one request he will try and influence and demand so many things …really the world needs to rally together and give America the isolation they want for their handmaid oligarchs wankfest society

 

[Festerz]

This prick needs to stay in his lane, fix the Country he is "leading" and forget about pipe dreams like Greenland and Canada.
You won't MAGA if all you do is drag others down to your own poor standards.

But getting exemptions for US Big Pharma from having to drop their prices on products sold under the Australian Government socialised medicine scheme will raise profits for these American monoliths.

Time that Australians started paying their way for the innovations of US based pharmaceutical companies!!

So that IS making America Great Again


See how the argument goes? Its simplistic and wrong on many counts. But it is the sort of message that the idiots who support Trump want to hear.

 

[Mick F]

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U.S. and Russia Had ‘Productive’ Discussions About Ukraine Cease-Fire, Trump Says

Talks in Moscow with a U.S. special envoy indicated that Russia was keen to keep negotiating with the United States over Ukraine.

www.nytimes.com

A copy of those 'signals' from Putin to Trump have been leaked:

Trump said he feels positive vibes.

He has received SFA, just his usual BS. Its incessant.

 

[Strange Cat]

Attorney General Pam Bondi warns Tesla vandals: ‘We’re coming after you’​

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Attorney General Pam Bondi warns Tesla vandals: ‘We’re coming after you’

Pam Bondi warned Tesla vandals the DOJ will launch investigations into the recent attacks on Elon Musk's electric vehicle company.

san.com

Absolutely cooked over there

 

[Cmarsh]

Albo - you used tough words this week when it came to that American idiot who grabbed a baby wombat from it's mother - how about talking the tough talk with Trump?

Bit of a difference don't you think? Slightly more to lose by talking tough towards Trump compared to a no name influencer.