A-League Grand Final: Brisbane Roar v Perth Glory

[fitzmantle]

does anyone know what happened at the elephant and wheelbarrow in northbridge? i saw a heap of police cars outside and then 1hr later it was empty and closed.

ps: fck u bris. 2 years cheating

 

[Normy132]

Shit's gonna hit the fan big time from this one.

I'm of the belief Berisha mis-hit the shot and legit fell over but when he realised there was an opportunity for a penalty he appealed it. Probably one of the worst penalty decisions I've ever seen (and I'm a Man Utd supporter). Perth didn't deserve that at all.

 

[Hollow Knight]

i dont need reminding, after seeing the Italians in the 2006 World Cup dive in the penalty box to beat Australia. .

Funnily enough, that was the previous time I tried to give soccer a chance.

 

[mojito]

Cards are being dealt out as we speak.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Bosnich saw it the way I saw it. The tackler's boot went under Berisha's boot as he went to plant the foot and Berisha's boot rode the tackler's boot towards the ground. Berisha was travelling forward while the tackler was on the ground so Berisha's plant foot did land firmly on the turf. Given he had made contact midair with the tacklers boot though, the plant foot probably didn't land in his normal stride, and this caused him to lose balance and go to ground while trying to contort to kick with his right boot.

I think people are looking at the actual moment he fell which was a step later as a result of losing balance.

Berisha for his part would know that contact was made and could quite possibly have believed that the contact caused him to lose balance and therefore control of his intended strike.

I'm not sure that contact is enough to deserve a penalty but that is how the slow motion replays showed it.

 

[Boro]

Champions! Lot of trolling will come our way, especially as everyone wanted Perth to win, but he was clipped. Maybe not a penalty but there have been plenty of worse decisions than that. We also deserved it after dominating the match and no doubt would have won in extra time with the extra man. Back to back is sweet

ps. the penalty against Australia v Italy was the right decision. As unfortunate as it was.

 

[Hollow Knight]

If those are considered correct decisions then I guess I dislike the code even more.

 

[red+black]

ps. the penalty against Australia v Italy was the right decision. As unfortunate as it was.

I agree. Neill should not have gone to ground.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

If those are considered correct decisions then I guess I dislike the code even more.

No idea if it is correct or not, just that there was contact a step prior that may have affected his balance. I'm no student of the technicalities involved.

It does seem pretty soft, but it wasn't a dive IMO.

Interesting that Burns said Berisha said it wasn't a penalty at the time, and then in his post match interview on the field, Berisha said there was contact. I kind of glossed over what he said after that.

 

[mojito]

No idea if it is correct or not, just that there was contact a step prior that may have affected his balance. I'm no student of the technicalities involved.

It does seem pretty soft, but it wasn't a dive IMO.

Interesting that Burns said Berisha said it wasn't a penalty at the time, and then in his post match interview on the field, Berisha said there was contact. I kind of glossed over what he said after that.

At first glance it looked like the defender just took a swipe and went under his leg/foot completely.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

At first glance it looked like the defender just took a swipe and went under his leg/foot completely.

He did, but Berisha brought his foot down on top of the defender's foot while both feet were in mid air. By the time he planted his foot, the defender's foot had slipped out as Berisha had more forward momentum.

I'm just trying to think from a bio-mechanics point of view as to how that might affect how and where you planted your foot. It would seem that any slight ride on another person's foot, would lengthen your intended stride, cause you to be off with your opposite leg and over step the ball and fall forward as well. We are talking microseconds though.

Bosnich called it as plant foot contact. I suspect the ref called it for something completely different.

If tackling from behind, would even the slightest contact that might have interferred with the striker, be considered a penalty? I'm not sure how it works.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

http://www.sportal.com.au/football-news-display/berisha-penalty-was-there-172850

Berisha said there was contact, Burns has backed away from his claims that Berisha said it wasn't a penalty.

 

[mojito]

We can postulate all we want.

There's a big difference on the field between having someone else's boot jammed under yours and simply having it there holding/supporting yours.

Granted, my only experience is in the amateur leagues.

 

[maelcoluim]

I must admit live, I thought it looked like a penalty, the replays to me however showed no contact as far as I could see even in the second or two before the fall actually took place.

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The replay at 2:20 shows no evidence of any contact. Oh well...what's done is done.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Very tough to find a conclusive angle. Need to find the one that Fox used when discussing it post-match.

 

[Gibbsy]

The camera used from inside the goal pretty much showed it all didn't it?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

We can postulate all we want.

There's a big difference on the field between having someone else's boot jammed under yours and simply having it there holding/supporting yours.

Granted, my only experience is in the amateur leagues.

Yeah, I'm not commenting on what constitutes a penalty or not and frankly my assertion is based on an extreme slo-mo Fox showed and it was backed up by Bosnich, although he just said contact with the plant foot, not the one boot under another thing that I thought I saw. I haven't been able to find that particular slo-mo since though.

I think there was light contact to the back of the leg as well but it's bloody technical. As I said the ref paid a full blooded trip IMO and got it wrong. If there was any other incidental contact, the ref is deadset lucky.

 

[holy diver]

I'm just seeing an air-swing and a fall as if shot. I've looked at it as objectively as I can after a few hours.

If it was a genuine penalty then fine. My problem isn't that we lost. It was the way in which Roar was awarded the win. Berisha's theatrics and reaction alone paint his ethics as very weak.

I still can't believe the Roar captain was not sent of for smashing Smeltz's nose and lower face in. They even got the free kick for it. That was a game changer but seemingly conviently glossed over by most. Not even a yellow. Not even warned by the ref. Disgusting.

Abyssmal ref. Just so awfully abysmmal. Waiting for you in Perth Mr. Gillett. I'm sure all fellow Glory supporters are.

 

[Blue and Gold Blood]

Champions! Lot of trolling will come our way, especially as everyone wanted Perth to win, but he was clipped. Maybe not a penalty but there have been plenty of worse decisions than that. We also deserved it after dominating the match and no doubt would have won in extra time with the extra man. Back to back is sweet

ps. the penalty against Australia v Italy was the right decision. As unfortunate as it was.

Spoken like a true Italian troll who lives in Brisbane.

Like what the Brown Dog said, if you think the Italian 2006 WC decision was correct, then i pity those who follow soccer.

 

[bok_party]

Spoken like a true Italian troll who lives in Brisbane.

Like what the Brown Dog said, if you think the Italian 2006 WC decision was correct, then i pity those who follow soccer.

Grosso did dive no doubt about it but all Neill had to do was hold him up and not dive in. By diving in, he created the opportunity for a foul/dive.

 

[relapse]

Not sure why Brisbane fans are trying to argue otherwise, if United won via diving there's no way I'd come into a forum trying to defend it and trying to pretend it was a penalty. You only have to look at how Bersiha twisted himself when he fell and stuck his hand up straight afterwards to see that he dove and hoped for a penalty.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Miller:

"I'm devastated. In my opinion, any contact with him wasn't enough for him to fall over and get a penalty," Irishman Miller told thewest.com.au.

So he concedes there might have been contact. I agree with him the contact wasn't enough to make Berisha fall over. It wasn't. Did Berisha fall over because of the contact or did he fall over because he was off balance and had to adjust to try to make the shot? Obviously it was the latter. He didn''t dive, he felt contact, he tried to keep going, he lost balance. Appealing for a penalty at that moment is a given as you wouldn't know how much if affected your balance and therefore shot.

Need to add balance to those saying there was no contact and he dived and therefore cheated.

 

[DTRAIN87]

Good post ODN as for Nicholls what he is saying is credible but he doesn't make that decision.

 

[holy diver]

The other almost unmentioned controversy is Matt Smiths elbow into Shane Smeltz's face. No card, No warning. Ref actually gave Brisbane the free kick.

Over 50 stitches required.

Perth Glory star Shane Smeltz's A-League grand final pain was amplified at Suncorp Stadium as he was forced to undergo surgery in a Brisbane hospital on Sunday night.
The A-League's all-time leading goal-scorer bravely played out 80 minutes of the decider after a horrific gash under his nose due to a sickening collision with Brisbane Roar skipper Matt Smith.
Smeltz copped an accidental forearm from Smith in the 15th minute of the Glory's dramatic 2-1 loss which saw his skin split from his nose to his lip and also inside his mouth.
Play was stopped for four minutes as Glory medics attempted to stem the bleeding as he was treated on the field.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-04-22/smeltz-set-for-plastic-surgery/3965552

How Matt Smith got away with such a high impact elbow strike, deliberate or reckless without so much as a speaking to is more evidence of the poor standard of the referee.

It took Smeltz out of the game even though he soldiered on.

Matt Smith was dirty leading with his elbow. Should have been sent off. Disgrace

 

[Boro]

Spoken like a true Italian troll who lives in Brisbane.

Like what the Brown Dog said, if you think the Italian 2006 WC decision was correct, then i pity those who follow soccer.

No, not Italian and I was devastated when we lost that game, but once things settled and you watched the incident properly in my opinion and many others it was a penalty. I would say what Grosso did was the equivalent of an AFL player leading into a tackle with his head. Nothing the defender can do about it but still a free kick with the current rules.

As for Berisha, I'm with Old Dark Navy's. I don't believe contact was enough to warrant a penalty, however I have no doubt the contact was there, and that Berisha would have believed at the time it warranted a penalty. I also don't blame the ref for giving it as from his angle he obviously saw the original contact. Celebrating winning the pen is a natural reaction...he'd just gone a long way to winning his team a GF for Gods sake.