A Third Team In Sydney - It's Only a Matter Of Time !!

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Yes and you can leverage your profits also which is very common at local government level.



Being able to make capital improvements to a sporting club much more easyly than relying purely on handouts.
If your club is not on the pork barrel list then you'll have to mount a case for funds.
That usually entails how popular, resourceful and how funded your club is.

you don’t go to government saying we made $100mil Profit can be have another handout. You go there showing you are stable and how much revenue you generate and how much you spend in the community . You’re much better making a tiny profit or breaking even.

 

[RedV3x]

you don’t go to government saying we made $100mil Profit can be have another handout.

No, you don’t go to local government saying we made $100mil Profit can we have another handout.
No, you don’t go to state government saying we made $100mil Profit can we have another handout.
You might go to government saying we made $100mil Profit let's invest in some major capital structure or
you might go to government saying we made $100mil Profit, we're a big industry so work with us to resume as quickly as possible.

You go there showing you are stable and how much revenue you generate and how much you spend in the community.

Yes, didn't I just say that?

You’re much better making a tiny profit or breaking even.

Not at local government level unless you're on the political pork barrel list.
And not at any level if you want to undertake some major capital infrastructure.

And if you were in the situation of making $100 million profit (which you refer too)and still need more money
you wouldn't ask for a handout - you'd ask for a loan or underwriting.

 

[Aussie in exile]

"The AFL could soon have one of its teams being privately owned, with a White House advisor reportedly interested in purchasing the GWS Giants.
Daniel Ivascyn and Marc Seidner are both executives at the global investment management firm Pimco and the pair, who have already contributed millions to the Giants, are understood to be interested in private ownership."

An advisor to Trump. That would have a lot of credit wouldn't it LOL

 

[RedV3x]

An advisor to Trump. That would have a lot of credit.

I'd imagine that a Trump advisor would have a lot of power to influence.
Trump knows American Football and a Trump advisor who is interested in Australian Football would be an interesting discussion.

 

[Colonial]

An advisor to Trump. That would have a lot of credit wouldn't it LOL

Considering his advisors got that boob elected they definitely have talent.


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[Pippen94]

I'd imagine that a Trump advisor would have a lot of power to influence.
Trump knows American Football and a Trump advisor who is interested in Australian Football would be an interesting discussion.

Do they know there is no market for afl in Western Sydney?

 

[Colonial]

Do they know there is no market for afl in Western Sydney?

No market for football either going on the stats.


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[RedV3x]

Do they know there is no market for afl in Western Sydney?

The beauty about being a foreigner is that you can possess a perspective not bounded by local constraints.
An American will see the power of mainstream sports in large cities.
An American could not fail to be impressed by the power of an AFL club based on a smaller population model.
An American could not fail to be impressed by the AFL product as against others in a crowded and competitive sports market.
An American could not fail to be impressed by the fact that the GWS has already outperformed many NRL and soccer clubs.
An American could not fail to be impressed by the fact that Sydney is wide open for Australian Football development.

 

[Pippen94]

The beauty about being a foreigner is that you can possess a perspective not bounded by local constraints.
An American will see the power of mainstream sports in large cities.
An American could not fail to be impressed by the power of an AFL club based on a smaller population model.
An American could not fail to be impressed by the AFL product as against others in a crowded and competitive sports market.
An American could not fail to be impressed by the fact that the GWS has already outperformed many NRL and soccer clubs.
An American could not fail to be impressed by the fact that Sydney is wide open for Australian Football development.

I might assume a sport is the national code based on its title.

 

[Kappa]

Do they know there is no market for afl in Western Sydney?

What is there a market for? Soccer?

 

[BringBackTorps]

Fox Sports B. Waterworth 5.5

Waterworth said

"A total of up to $36m could come back into the game's coffers...with...Caroline Wilson suggesting the 18 AFL clubs could each face a salary cap cut of around $2m (ie $13m- $11m from 2021- my words)".

C. Wilson also said

"And we're hearing $5.7m for a Football Department Soft or Hard Cap...". Currently, it is $9.7m per Club.

The $36m hit AFL players reportedly could face in the long-term

The $36m headache AFL players could face the long-term

www.foxsports.com.au

It has previously been mooted that Club Lists will be permanently reduced from 2021-maybe to 35 or 30- but no figures on wage savings were mentioned.

These significant permanent cuts to operating an AFL Club increase the chances of a 3rd Club eventually in Sydney. It will become much "cheaper" & viable to operate a new expansion club- which is more sustainable & competitive over the long term. Obviously, AFL Club grants will be reduced by a similar amount to the cuts.

 

[Colonial]

Major cuts to grassroots with about 200 development officers to be cut




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[Johnny Bananas]

Sydney is at least another 20 years away from another AFL team, but the Aerotropolis CBD is being built from scratch, so this is the perfect opportunity to get in early and ensure AFL infrastructure is at the beginning of the new development. The city will connect Penrith, Liverpool and Campbelltown, bringing 1.5m (projected population in 2056) within 30 minutes of the new CBD and a potential new AFL team.

I agree. This should be the long term plan, and the AFL should be pushing hard to build ovals in this area over the next 15 years. The aerotropolis is going to be one of the best connected places in Australia outside a major city centre, it will have direct rail to pretty much every major centre around it.

This is a 2050 project however. I imagine Canberra and Tasmania will get teams before the aerotropolis does.

 

[BringBackTorps]

1.

Major cuts to grassroots with about 200 development officers to be cut




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Can anyone open this above Telegraph report- & post here?
Or at least give details of the cuts?
Exactly how many RL development staff will be cut from RL HQ; & are there other cuts being made that could affect RL GR development?


























EDIT:

2. RLhub.com 27.3

RE J. Quayle
"Iconic rugby league administrator says the global pandemic will have a bigger impact on the sport than the Super League war".

John Quayle says pandemic will hit rugby league more than the Super League war

By STEVE MASCORD ICONIC rugby league administrator John Quayle says the global pandemic will have a bigger impact on the sport than the Super League War. Quayle, who along with Ken Arthurson is cre…

rugbyleaguehub.com

3. Male GR jnr & snr RU nos. are in a significant long term decline in NZ. Male soccer & basketball GR competition nos. are at record highs, & are booming. The NZRU is currently performing a major Review into this decline, & other problems in NZ RU.

C. 45% of NRL, Super Rugby, & Wallaby players in Australia are either born in NZ (from euro or PH background) or PI nations.
Or they are born in Aust., but come from NZ/PI immigrants (either euro or Pacifika backgrounds).
If the no. &/or quality of professional RL & RU players from a NZ background diminish, it will effect the quality, & success, of the pro. RU & NRL comps.; & Wallabies' success (which drive the overall success of RU in Aust.).



The NZRU is experiencing severe financial stress.
Fox Sports D. Cleaver 9.5

"...The Herald understands New Zealand's leaders were so concerned about the games broken revenue model they held high level talks with at least two private equity firms".

RA is also experiencing severe financial stress ("has liabilities over $20m"), & the Auditors have refused to sign off on their 2019 Accounts. There are recent reports that RA owes its former sponsor, HSBC Bank, $7m- from a failed RA hedge currency strategy.
Optus has also recently stated it has no interest in a broadcast rights agreement with RA- this further imperils RA.

"It is understood RA has also been in talks with private equity firms"
"Can the pro game (in Aust. -my words) survive over there" said a NZRU source.

New Zealand plotting stunning multi-billion dollar escape from World Rugby

NZ plotting stunning multi-billion dollar escape from World Rugby

www.foxsports.com.au

4. EDIT 2:

The Australian J. Halloran 7.5

Former RA Director, P. Wiggs, who was recently recruited to the RA Board, & was mooted to become the Chairman of RA, suddenly resigned last week.
He said

"This is the worst-run business I have ever seen".

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

 

[RedV3x]

I imagine Canberra and Tasmania will get teams before the aerotropolis does.

Unfortunately the North Shore Bombers exist. They've been there since 1903.

 

[Aucklander]

1.
Can anyone open this Telegraph report- & post here?
Or at least give details of the cuts?
Exactly how many RL development staff will be cut from RL HQ; & are there other cuts being made that could affect RL GR development?

Leading with cutting of the development officers is kind of mischievous, or a deliberate attempt to use scare tactics.

Of the NRL’s 400-plus staff, about 200 are development officers. Cutting that employment sector in half would save the NRL a further $8-10 million.

Earlier.

More than 100 jobs could be lost at an NRL organisation that employs approximately 400 staff, but the ARL Commission would prefer to address “cost inefficiencies” before sacking employees.

 

[BringBackTorps]

ABC TV Four Corners to do a program on NRL's financial woes (but NRL will soon announce a record $2.3 b Rights' deal with Foxtel & Ch.9!).

sportsindustry (@footyindustryAU) | Twitter

The latest Tweets from sportsindustry (@footyindustryAU): "News Wrap | Friday, May 8th | WA AFL teams miss out on home games early, India still plan on coming to Australia, Kayo subs take a 30% hit, RA solvency questions https://t.co/ZI3V1TYArR"

twitter.com

(Go to Sports Industry tweet 10.5- then click on Daily Telegraph P. Rothfield report for transcript of Four Corners investigation).


For details of NRL $2.3b Rights' deal

No Cookies | Daily Telegraph

No Cookies

www.dailytelegraph.com.au

(Can anyone open, & post here?)


Also, see my updated Edits above, in post #2564 re financial issues etc. facing RL & RU

 

[Pippen94]

This thread has turned into a place to post negative things about other sports not just in this country but overseas. None of this relevant to afl.

 

[Pippen94]

1.
Can anyone open this Telegraph report- & post here?
Or at least give details of the cuts?
Exactly how many RL development staff will be cut from RL HQ; & are there other cuts being made that could affect RL GR development?


























EDIT:

2. RLhub.com 27.3

"Iconic rugby league administrator says the global pandemic will have a bigger impact on the sport than the Super League war".

John Quayle says pandemic will hit rugby league more than the Super League war

By STEVE MASCORD ICONIC rugby league administrator John Quayle says the global pandemic will have a bigger impact on the sport than the Super League War. Quayle, who along with Ken Arthurson is cre…

rugbyleaguehub.com

3. Male GR jnr & snr RU nos. are in a significant long term decline in NZ. Male soccer & basketball GR competition nos. are at record highs, & are booming. The NZRU is currently performing a major Review into this decline, & other problems in NZ RU.

C.45% of NRL, Super Rugby, & Wallaby players in Australia are either born in NZ- or born in Aust., but come from NZ immigrants (either euro or Pacifika backgrounds).
If the no. &/or quality of professional RL & RU players from a NZ background diminish, it will effect the quality, & success, of the NRL comp.; & Wallabies success (which drive the overall success of RU in Aust.).



The NZRU is experiencing severe financial stress.
Fox Sports D. Cleaver 9.5

"...The Herald understands New Zealand's leaders were so concerned about the games broken revenue model they held high level talks with at least two private equity firms".

RA is also experiencing severe financial stress ("has Liabilities over $20m"), & the Auditors have refused to sign of on their 2019 Accounts. There are recent reports that RA owes its former sponsor, HSBC Bank, $7m- from a failed RA hedge fund currency strategy. Optus has recently formally stated it has no interest in a broadcast rights agreement with RA- this further imperils RA.

"It is understood RA has also been in talks with private equity firms"
"Can the pro game (in Aust. -my words) survive over there" said a NZRU source.

New Zealand plotting stunning multi-billion dollar escape from World Rugby

NZ plotting stunning multi-billion dollar escape from World Rugby

www.foxsports.com.au

4. EDIT 2:

The Australian J. Halloran 7.5

Former RA Director, P. Wiggs, who was recently recruited to the RA Board, & was mooted to become the Chairman of RA, suddenly resigned last week.
He said

"This is the worst-run business I have ever seen".

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

Playing numbers declining in dangerous contact sports. You realize afl fits into that category?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Unfortunately the North Shore Bombers exist. They've been there since 1903.

What on earth does a team in North Sydney have to do with what I wrote?

 

[Colonial]

This thread has turned into a place to post negative things about other sports not just in this country but overseas. None of this relevant to afl.

You have zero interest in the sport but continue to post in it, besides fear of the growth of the sport.

The NrL possibly cutting development officers is a big thing for the region if it happens.


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[RedV3x]

Leading with cutting of the development officers is kind of mischievous, or a deliberate attempt to use scare tactics.

it's called playing hardball.

 

[Aucklander]

it's called playing hardball.

It's bloody stupid.

 

[RedV3x]

It's bloody stupid.

The article or the content?

 

[Aucklander]

The article or the content?

The article is fine, leading with development officers is just plain dumb.