A Third Team In Sydney - It's Only a Matter Of Time !!

[Tyler Hodges]

lol.

From an attendance PoV WA numbers would compete with Victorian attendance numbers if there were 2 WA games per week. Average attendance for 4-5 Victorian games per week wouldn't be more than 120k too often which could be rivalled by Perth Stadium attendance, not that crazy a statement.

 

[Kwality]

Fremantle can barely make\win finals and people are calling for a third WA team?

& Sydney ... these people must hate our game, architects of mediocrity.

 

[lamaros]

From an attendance PoV WA numbers would compete with Victorian attendance numbers if there were 2 WA games per week. Average attendance for 4-5 Victorian games per week wouldn't be more than 120k too often which could be rivalled by Perth Stadium attendance, not that crazy a statement.

Yes, it is crazy.

 

[my name was taken]

& it would lose money hand over fist ...

No more than a rugby state as there's no need to promote an entire code. In time it would be profitable, after the
Gold Coast and gws expansion the joondalup mayor was keen on being a part of the next lot of teams if that day should come.

 

[Furn2]

It's just a matter of time but that time could be 50+ years.

 

[telsor]

From an attendance PoV WA numbers would compete with Victorian attendance numbers if there were 2 WA games per week. Average attendance for 4-5 Victorian games per week wouldn't be more than 120k too often which could be rivalled by Perth Stadium attendance, not that crazy a statement.

Not quite...

Melbourne averages 39620 per match with a little over 4 matches/week (58 matches, 14 rounds), so a bit over 160K/week. (If you want to include 4 matches in Geelong, that'd add another 7k/week to the average).

Subi averages 34020 (~10K under capacity), so with a similar rate of non attendance at the new/bigger ground, they'll probably average 45-50K, so even 2 matches would have them lucky to get 100k/week on average (even without factoring in there being fewer fans per team).

 

[jameses]

Strangely enough, I too can see a team up in the Central Coast/Newcastle area and another down in the Illawarra in the future.

Five teams in NSW ??

22 clubs in the competition.

Now that would be very interesting.

The Illawarra? How many years are you thinking?

The Illawarra is not big enough to support an AFL club, especially considering its very strong links to its rugby league roots that deprives it of very much support for football. The Illawarra will never have an AFL club.

 

[LordLucifer]

According to the 2011 census, the population of the Illawarra is 436,117.

 

[telsor]

According to the 2011 census, the population of the Illawarra is 436,117.

So less than Tassie...and FAR less interested in football.

Just how many teams do you think will be in the competition in total for that to become the next best option?

 

[LordLucifer]

So less than Tassie...and FAR less interested in football.

Just how many teams do you think will be in the competition in total for that to become the next best option?

VIC - 7
NSW - 5
WA - 3
SA - 3
QLD - 2
TAS - 1
ACT - 1

 

[telsor]

VIC - 7
NSW - 5
WA - 3
SA - 3
QLD - 2
TAS - 1
ACT - 1

And how many centuries do you think it'll be before NSW can support 5/7ths as many clubs as Vic?

 

[LordLucifer]

And how many centuries do you think it'll be before NSW can support 5/7ths as many clubs as Vic?

Have you ever heard of 'relocations' ??

There is a Richmond near the Hawkesbury River, could work well for the Tigers to move up there as that third club.

 

[kane249]

Have you ever heard of 'relocations' ??

There is a Richmond near the Hawkesbury River, could work well for the Tigers to move up there as that third club.

Theres a Carlton in Sydney as well, so we can relocate the Blues there as well.

Thats 2 down.

 

[footyfan1978]

Strangely enough, I too can see a team up in the Central Coast/Newcastle area and another down in the Illawarra in the future.

Five teams in NSW ??

22 clubs in the competition.

Now that would be very interesting.

and very sub standard.
It is bad enough seeing the level drop away from 12 clubs to 18 clubs.
Lets wait until the population growth and development in NSW is enough to increase the standard rather than thin it out even further than it is now spread over 18 clubs.

I would not be looking at anything other than a Tasmanian side in league at all in next two decades. If a club like North, St.Kilda or Hawthorn eventually fully relocated to Tasmania like South Melbourne did to Sydney to keep it at 18 I could live with that. However another club in any other region has to be after a period of clear growth in the expanded areas we already have jumped into in the last 5 years with 2 brand new clubs.

Personally though , more than anything I want to see the standard of what we got across club land in the league , rise in standard.
I feel I get less bang for buck as a football fan than I originally got when it was 12 clubs. Loved it when there was 3 or 4 super sides around and to win the premiership the club that won it had to beat some seriously elite football teams.
I feel that can only happen with more people take up playing the game. That might take another two or three decades to become noticed at league level.

Let's get stable at better at having 18 clubs first and then, more than anything get a bloody Tasmanian side in there. We got to find a way.

 

[2014]

Have you ever heard of 'relocations' ??

There is a Richmond near the Hawkesbury River, could work well for the Tigers to move up there as that third club.

a place with a population of about 5000 people and no facilities whatsoever

perfect idea

 

[telsor]

Have you ever heard of 'relocations' ??

There is a Richmond near the Hawkesbury River, could work well for the Tigers to move up there as that third club.

Ever heard of clubs actually raising revenue?

We already have 4 clubs in the northern states that suck up well over 50 million/year (net)...you want to add 3 more in NSW (and yet, strangely no more in QLD) while taking away some of the clubs that actually do bring in money.


BTW, I'm not sure if there is a Carlton in NSW, but that's the Vic club with the lowest home ground attendance this year. (and even they are still higher than any northern club manages).

 

[telsor]

and very sub standard.
It is bad enough seeing the level drop away from 12 clubs to 18 clubs.
Lets wait until the population growth and development in NSW is enough to increase the standard rather than thin it out even further than it is now spread over 18 clubs.

Actually, adult participation has grown faster than the number of clubs since expansion began (and that's not counting the boost from getting unfettered access to the best players from WA/SA and better development/training).

 

[Kwality]

No more than a rugby state as there's no need to promote an entire code. In time it would be profitable, after the
Gold Coast and gws expansion the joondalup mayor was keen on being a part of the next lot of teams if that day should come.

I agree that the losses of any expansion of teams will be biiggg, regardless of location.
Then there are the players, the 2nd tier players of today, who will further drag down the standard of the national comp, so if its a lower standard of footy that floats your boat, 2nd tier footy is easy to find & cheap to attend.

Architects of mediocrity !!

 

[Kwality]

VIC - 7
NSW - 5
WA - 3
SA - 3
QLD - 2
TAS - 1
ACT - 1

Go back to 12, play each other twice & leave the plodders in the 2nd tier. Are you a regular attendee/follower of the 2nd tier, given that's the level of footy you seem keen to promote ....

 

[bombersfan4000]

Maybe when the Giants crowds move beyond embarrassing

When you look at the giants crowds & memberships it's not that far behind a few of the nrl clubs. For all the hype made behind how big the nrl is in Sydney, their teams are really nothing to rave about size wise! The majority of them have been around for 60, 70plus years

 

[Garlic muncher]

So this article was called .... Originally published as AFL invasion into NSW schools

So many just laughable quotes in this ..... It has left the NRL, ARU and FFA deeply concerned. ... i doubt whether he has contacted anyone

AFL officials have been involved in having posts installed at 20 schools a year for the past five years. With fewer resources and money, the NRL, FFA and ARU cannot compete. .... FFS, i could fund a few schools a year on my paltry income, just a huge beat up , i know plenty of people who live on small rural properties outside Perth who make their own posts or buy a set, just laughable.

The Daily Telegraph can today reveal that an AFL program has supplied posts to no less than 100 private, primary and states schools which are responsible for installing them on their ovals..... Christ what a exclusive, lock up your kids !

Just typical war code nonsense out of insecure Sydney NRL scribes.

As far as a third Sydney team goes, there will be one, it will be based around the South and South Western part of Sydney, this area is a very long way away from GWS and Spotless.

The area has no great affiliation with AF or a suitable stadium, that has never deterred the AFL before, it is an area that has a couple of million people in it and just like GWS it will be a generational build, i expect another Sydney team in around 15 years.

 

[Garlic muncher]

So IMHO my guesstimate would be another team in WA and a third team in S/SW Sydney - that would depend on what happens with GWS and whether WA BOOMS again, the first I am not sure of and the second - well it is just a matter of time before the boom is on again in WA. ... Looking ahead 15 years

Sorry Tassie

 

[Garlic muncher]

When you look at the giants crowds & memberships it's not that far behind a few of the nrl clubs. For all the hype made behind how big the nrl is in Sydney, their teams are really nothing to rave about size wise! The majority of them have been around for 60, 70plus years

Don't fall into the trap of comparing an AFL club and NRL clubs, GWS needs at least 25,000 members and average home attendances of 15 - 20k - I have no doubt it will happen but when I don't know.

 

[Kram]

Where did you get your population data from? Perth's population in 2014 was an estimated 2.02M, and Adelaide's - 1.35M, so that's a combined 3.37M.

The 1980s obviously.

 

[Garlic muncher]

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The 1980s obviously.

It doesn't matter whether he got it wrong, he may have said it deliberately to get the convo going, they are thousands of k's apart and the population that a third team in S/SW Sydney would service would be about the population of Perth.

Sydney the gong and Newcastle and anything in between has about 30% of Australia's population.