Now that you have inserted the qualifier "by and large" you have just stated what we all already know.
That really has nothing much to do with the advancement of Australian Football in NSW.
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Now that you have inserted the qualifier "by and large" you have just stated what we all already know.
That really has nothing much to do with the advancement of Australian Football in NSW.
What is less than minuscule?
I never suggested that af is growing in nsw, that does not validate a 3rd syd team.
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You really are Hebetudinous.
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I've already stated I agree that a 3rd team isn't viable right now. Noone here is arguing that one is.
As for the first part, I strongly disagree. To validate my argument, I checked a random week in the middle of last year. Friday night that week (Sydney v Hawthorn) rated 328k in Melbourne. If all heartland fans are mad fans, you'd think the majority of them would at least be able to tune in on Friday night. So is the pool of AFL fans in Victoria only 328k?
Interesting to note that in SA (another heartland state) the game only rated 86k. Meanwhile, a Friday night game earlier in the season, also featuring Sydney, this time against Adelaide, rated 172k (double). Why do more people in Adelaide tune in when their team is playing compared to when it isn't, if they're mad fans of AF, rather than mad fans of their team?
Fact of the matter is, yes there are extremely passionate fans of the game (and not just in the Southern States, believe it or not), but the majority of fans in all markets are fans of their team first and foremost.
Correct, not viable but you and everyone else is bringing up irrelevant discussion. None of the rest of your post has anything to do with if and or when a 3rd syd team.
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Yes, after 79 pages of the thread, the context of it has changed slightly.
asking what do you mean "its clear its less than minuscule?"
I know the situation in Canada and I know they have had fantastic success in developing Australian Football in Canada.
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How many times have you been to Canada?
The article below suggests they struggle to get 6 a side
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So you haven't looked.
Why do you struggle with the truth?
Do you have any evidence for this, or are you going with intuition? I would have said a lot of fans in Qld and Vic are either transplanted Vic, WA or SA fans, or kids of them.
I would also have said, that people bought into following AFL through playing it, are much more likely to become fans of the sport instead of just fans of the team. This makes the growth of grass roots footy in those states bought about by expansion clubs even more important. I know quite a few of the early AFLW players from Qld and NSW, that were born in those states, revealed in interviews that their family was originally from elsewhere. Tayla Harris is a classic example, Qld born and bred, but her family is from Vic. Her father was a lifelong player.
I would also discount the soccer phenomena of huge grass roots numbers but little support. I have always thought their campaign of safe, simple easy, or what ever it is, shot themselves in the foot. They ended up with huge numbers of kids playing soccer because their parents wanted them to play sport, and as they weren't particularly good, or interested in anything, they chose soccer (because its safe and simple and easy).
The emotional commitment to play a contact sport for an extended period time leads to greater support for the game imop. Running around in soccer for 5 years because the rents didn't want a couch potato doesn't. This is intuition by the way, unsupported by any evidence at all, just like yours.
Msm in rl heartland is a pretty good indicator of what the dominant code is in rl heartland. rl.
I have looked, hence the lack of examples.
All you had to do was provide an example of an independent source of attendance figures that didn't use official figures, and didn't just guess (ie someone not connected to the sport of facility, that actually counts attendees, rather than quoting someone elses numbers - even wookie isnt standing outside stadiums with a clicker). But you didn't, no surprise, you used an insult instead, no surprise. Why are you an idiot?
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Unlike you I'm not a idiot.
Unlike you i live in the real world.
Unlike you i don't get sucked in by the alleged crowds at GWS when you see the stadium a 1/3rd full and then they announce a crowd of over 10,000.
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That still isn't an independent crowd figure source.
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Here you go at it wasn't hard was it. Now you can take your pick of which one.
I really can't believe you couldn't find them sites, or perhaps not.
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You know these independent sites just quote official figure dont you? Or is that what you meant. You will only believe official figures if they are quoted by an unofficial site, that wouldn't have a clue.Here you go at it wasn't hard was it. Now you can take your pick of which one.
I really can't believe you couldn't find them sites, or perhaps not.
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Number 1. Sporting News 'Covering NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, NASCAR, college football and basketball, soccer and more'. You believe official figures, if they are quoted by a website that doesn't even know what AFL is. LOL
If that is the case, Bigfooty is an unofficial site, so quoting official figures here is all it takes for you to believe them?
Point to which one of these compiles its own figures, and doesn't just repost numbers from eslewhere.
Just 1.
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1st site doesn't quote crowd numbers.Here you go at it wasn't hard was it. Now you can take your pick of which one.
I really can't believe you couldn't find them sites, or perhaps not.
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2nd doesn't have an AFL section.
3rd doesn't have an AFL section.
4th doesn't have an AFL section.
5th isn't even live anymore.
6th doesn't have an AFL section.
7th doesn't have an AFL section.
8th doesn't have an AFL section.
9th doesn't do match reports and doesn't allow AFL.
10th isn't even live anymore.
Also did a keyword search and none of the articles have AFL listed on that page so not gonna bother trawling through all of them after that.
You really showed me bro! Very clear that it wasn't hard to find independently sourced crowd figures.
Maybe actually have a quick look at the link before belittling people?
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Which has what to do with goddamn crowd reporting? This is AFL Canada for a start, not the AFL - an affiliate body independent of it. Not to mention you have for some reason linked us to 1 team in Alberta - when the longest and largest competition in Canada is in Ontario.
I await any - ANY - meaningful link.
Lets end this charade.
Sites that report figures for attendance at sports events fall into 3 categories.
Official sites reporting official figures.
Reputable unofficial sites reporting Official figures eg Wookie.
Bullshit sites, making shit up.
You have used the line 'LOL, you believe official figures, give me an independent source', as a means of getting past numbers you do not like. Its bullshit. Official numbers are the only numbers we have. If you dont like them, tough shit. If you want an unofficial count that isnt someone looking at a TV and going, there is only 5 thousand there. Then you go to the grounds, and count them, no one else is.
If you disagree, give me JUST ONE SOURCE that actually counts numbers at a ground and report them, that isnt tied to the sport or the venue. We all know you cannot, they do not exist.
Sites that report figures for attendance at sports events fall into 3 categories.
Official sites reporting official figures.
Reputable unofficial sites reporting Official figures eg Wookie.
Bullshit sites, making shit up.
You have used the line 'LOL, you believe official figures, give me an independent source', as a means of getting past numbers you do not like. Its bullshit. Official numbers are the only numbers we have. If you dont like them, tough shit. If you want an unofficial count that isnt someone looking at a TV and going, there is only 5 thousand there. Then you go to the grounds, and count them, no one else is.
If you disagree, give me JUST ONE SOURCE that actually counts numbers at a ground and report them, that isnt tied to the sport or the venue. We all know you cannot, they do not exist.
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Here you go at it wasn't hard was it. Now you can take your pick of which one.
I really can't believe you couldn't find them sites, or perhaps not.
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Lol that list has virtually nothing to do with Australian sport. And When the Roar almost makes it into the top 20, you've got some issues. Seriously how the hell does Reddit make the list?
And every single site, for the sports that they do provide crowd numbers, provide official reported figures. Not one of them has the capacity to independently determine crowd numbers, even for the sports they actually cover, in the countries they actually report in.
Unless you quote a specific problem, we're none the wiser.
I know the situation in Canada and I know they have had fantastic success in developing Australian Football in Canada.
You want to talk about a specific situation or the overall figures?
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