A Third Team In Sydney - It's Only a Matter Of Time !!

[RedV3x]

Sites that report figures for attendance at sports events fall into 3 categories.

Official sites reporting official figures.

Reputable unofficial sites reporting Official figures eg Wookie.

Bullshit sites, making shit up.

I would say it's more like.

An entity like a stadium that might release figures which could be the most accurate.

Leagues and clubs that release official figures that other official entities re-report.

Leagues and clubs that collate and release official figures to best effect.

Unofficial sites that collate and report figures based on other official sites with no bias.

Unofficial sites that collate and report figures based on other official sites but attempt to manipulate the figures for their bias.

Unofficial sites that have no quality contol what-so-ever.

 

[BringBackTorps]

Population in greater western Sydney larger, younger & growing faster. The supposed[?] growth you boast of is everywhere but.

Wrong again. From 2011 -2019, the no. of jnr teams in the GWS area of Sydney went from c. 60-180 (These figures do not include Club Auskick nos., for 5 y.o- 8 y.o.- which had a larger increase). This is a very good result for AF, & is strong growth.

The links demonstrating this, with all club names & all age groups etc, in the Sydney area of GWS, have been provided numerous times in this thread.
Why are you again telling lies about this?
Why are you so fearful of AF's growth?

 

[BringBackTorps]

I've mentioned too many times that club spends more on membership than it receives - nobody willing to take that one up[Why are you "unwilling to take up" my many questions to you?]

The AFL entered a barren area for AF in Sydney's WS in 2012. ALL major businesses trying to increase their market share in an "indifferent/hostile" area realise they need to invest heavily; & must expect losses for a lengthy period.
The AFL has been very successful, building GWS membership to c.30,100 in 2019 (hoping to reach c. 40,000 in 2020); & obtaining average home crowds of c. 12,000 in 2019: there were zero in 2011!

Why are you refusing to answer the questions I have put to you, exposing your numerous lies, cherry-picked facts, deflections & trolling, in my posts #1722, 1789 & 1917 above? By your continuing denial, you are exposing yourself as a troll.

Three further question for you.
Joey Peters, ex Matilda star, ("one of the greatest Matildas of all time") has yesterday stated, because the A League is in such a dire situation (disastrous ratings/declining crowds etc.) that the A League should become simply a development league only/funding significantly reduced. And that the W League should become the primary soccer League in Australia.

Thus, a soccer expert is publicly advocating the demise of the A League. How low, on the metrics, do you think the A League will go, before the decision is made to terminate it in its present form?

'Make A-League a development league, invest in W-League', says legendary Matilda

Former Matildas great Joey Peters has made the bold call for FFA to invest more in the W-League, even if it means changing the more popular A-League into a development league.

thewomensgame.com

On 24.1.20, The Big Blue (now called The Little Blue) much-hyped match between MV v. Syd. FC had a crowd in Melbourne of c. 17 k, & a national prime time metro Foxtel rating of 17 k. Since the A League started in 2005, the owners have had total net losses of c. $350,000,000 (according to J. Stensholt recently, in The Australian).
When will some of the 11 owners abandon their clubs, or seek joint venture partners?
Why would any broadcaster want to pay any payment for broadcast rights, if these abysmal ratings become common place? (Ch.10 & ABC have both paid nil $ respectively for the 2018 & 2019 broadcast rights).











EDIT:

Correct, not viable but you and everyone else is bringing up irrelevant [?- No]discussion

1. You continue to say numerous times that a 3rd Syd. team is not viable yet. And you have been told numerous times that the thread title does not say, or imply, it will happen soon.
And you have been told numerous times that virtually no one in this thread is saying it will happen soon.
Why are you perpetuating straw man arguments.


2. And you have been told several times that virtually all here (& myself) say that GWS would have to be extremely strong (regular lockout crowds/strong finances) before a 3rd Syd. team would be considered.
Why are you perpetuating straw man arguments?


3. You keep saying that AF fans in Sydney generally prefer RL as their no.1 main sport. I, and others, asked you for evidence of this, but you have NOT provided any. No MSM sport experts are making your dubious claim.
I, & others here, disagree with you- it is purely your subjective intuition.
Why do you continue to make this comment?

Phil Gould is a respected MSM NRL expert, & an expert on GR sport in Sydney's WS.

He has said in Sept.2019:-

."...the majority of our clubs (Sydney NRL- my words) trade in a position of insolvency, most lose money. Many are supported by poker machine money from private clubs, whose days are numbered (ie pokie profits being disbursed to insolvent Sydney NRL clubs- my words)"- 2 minutes 18 seconds to 2 mins. 36 secs.

. " GWS will be a juggernaut"- 4 minutes 45 secs- 5 mins 30 secs.

His second comment refutes your claim that Sydney AF fans' are more passionate about the game of RL, than AF.
His first comment, if it eventuates & pokie profits are not diverted to NRL clubs as they have been in previous eras, then some Sydney NRL clubs are doomed.
Both his expert comments refute some of your other negative claims about the likelihood a 3rd Sydney AFL club.








4. No one on this thread, nor the AFL , are claiming AF "will take over" from RL in NSW & Qld. Why are you making this " AF takeover" claim?
It is certainly not a prerequisite for a 3rd Sydney team.
If AF simply becomes the undisputed no. 2 sport in Sydney (behind RL), it will be a significant triumph.


5. The facts of NSW (inc. Sydney), ACT & Qld. significant AF GR growth contradict your intuition re AF fans in Sydney are primarily RL fans.

To play a very challenging, multi-dimensional (hands & feet, L & R) body contact sport, like AF, is risky. There is a very strong probability AF players will experience fear & pain; & probably injury- & eventually seek medical attention. This is in contrast to non-body contact sports (eg soccer etc.), where their Officials proclaim their sport as safe & easy for everyone to play etc.

AF players are fully aware of the dangers, but continue to play; & to train. AF requires fitness, confidence & training- to minimise the risk of injury. As the fear & probability of injury is far less in non-contact sports, training is less essential.
The high membership nos., of both Swans & GWS (cf NRL clubs), & Swans' very good crowds, is also evidence AF fans have a strong commitment.
These factors are very strong evidence AF players & fans are devoted to AF; & AF is their primary sporting interest in Sydney.

Simply because AF fans watch the RL State Of Origin does not equate to their primary sporting interest being RL.
You, also ignored my question to you re the very high ratings the annual Melb. Cup, Olympic swimming & the 1982 America's Cup win achieved. Are you claiming these viewers are primarily devoted to these sports?


6. Australia is, obviously, the pinnacle of AF in the world- a crucial distinction. AF participation nos., & the facts of their significant growth in NSW & Qld., are, therefore, extremely important, when one examines the health of a sport. It suggests a more durable attachment to AF, because AF is local & is the best standard of AF in the world: "captures the interest & excitement more". This is very likely to become stronger for many more people in Sydney.


7. Despite your continuing incorrect claims to the contrary, discussing & analysing AF growth etc. in Sydney is logical, & is very relevant to the subject of a possible 3rd Sydney team.

Virtually everyone agrees that before the AFL would decide to make the expensive (but offset by extra broadcast $) decision to have a 3rd team in Sydney, logically, the most crucial metrics to be considered by the AFL would include major growth in:-

. GR AF participant nos. (mainly club & school comp.) in Sydney.
. GWS crowd nos.
. GWS membership nos.
. GWS financial independence & sustainability
. the rise/decline/ strength of competing professional sports in Sydney
. ditto the above or the ACT(as, IMO, after Tas. joins, the 20 th club will be a combined South Sydney Canberra club-& this SSCFC will also play games in Wollongong, which have been transferred there by Melb. clubs' home games, for big $)

This thread examines these important issues.


8. The ABS most current prediction is that Sydney will have a pop. of c. 8,500,000 in 2050.
This huge population of a very wealthy, powerful & influential Sydney will be an absolutely fundamental consideration for the AFL. It would be too risky, for the long term national popularity, primacy & financial strength of AF, for the AFL not to have a 3rd team in this megapolis.
You are naive & incorrect to think the 8,500,000 pop. is not crucially important.


Your various claims & generalisations lack logic, you do not/cannot support them by any relevant facts or links, & are poorly argued (but constantly regurgitated, despite being easily repudiated).






EDIT 2:

P. Gould has again predicted, in May 2020, that 2 Sydney NRL Clubs will be merged, relocate etc, by 2030.

'Unsustainable' Sydney clubs to merge: Gus

'They'll either die or have to merge'

wwos.nine.com.au

 

[RedV3x]

crowds at GWS .

We should attribute GWS attendance figures to someone who has never attended a GWS game at Giants stadium?

Joey Peters, ex Matilda star, ("one of the greatest Matildas of all time") has yesterday stated, because the A League is in such a dire situation (disastrous ratings/declining crowds etc.) that the A League should become simply a development league only/funding significantly reduced. And that the W League should become the primary soccer League in Australia.

That is quite an amazing statement and obviously the situation is not good for soccer in Australia.
It is also quite bizarre to suggest a league that sometimes draws in the hundreds should be the face of soccer.
Whilst this situation for soccer is at crisis point I don't there is much relevance to other codes in the short term.

 

[Carringbush2010]

The AFL entered a barren area for AF in Sydney's WS in 2012. ALL major businesses trying to increase their market share in an "indifferent/hostile" area realise they need to invest heavily; & must expect losses for a lengthy period.
The AFL has been very successful, building GWS membership to c.30,100 in 2019 (hoping to reach c. 40,000 in 2020); & obtaining average home crowds of c. 12,000 in 2019: there were zero in 2011!

Why are you refusing to answer the questions I have put to you, exposing your numerous lies, cherry-picked facts, deflections & trolling, in my posts #1722, 1789 & 1917 above? By your continuing denial, you are exposing yourself as a troll.

Three further question for you.
Joey Peters, ex Matilda star, ("one of the greatest Matildas of all time") has yesterday stated, because the A League is in such a dire situation (disastrous ratings/declining crowds etc.) that the A League should become simply a development league only/funding significantly reduced. And that the W League should become the primary soccer League in Australia.

Thus, a soccer expert is publicly advocating the demise of the A League. How low, on the metrics, do you think the A League will go, before the decision is made to terminate it in its present form?

'Make A-League a development league, invest in W-League', says legendary Matilda

Former Matildas great Joey Peters has made the bold call for FFA to invest more in the W-League, even if it means changing the more popular A-League into a development league.

thewomensgame.com

On 24.1.20, The Big Blue (now called The Little Blue) much-hyped match between MV v. Syd. FC had a crowd in Melbourne of c. 17 k, & a national prime time metro Foxtel rating of 17 k. Since the A League started in 2005, the owners have had total net losses of c. $350,000,000 (according to J. Stensholt recently, in The Australian).
When will some of the 11 owners abandon their clubs, or seek joint venture partners?
Why would any broadcaster want to pay any payment for broadcast rights, if these abysmal ratings become common place? (Ch.10 & ABC have both paid nil $ respectively for the 2018 & 2019 broadcast rights).











EDIT:




1. You continue to say numerous times that a 3rd Syd. team is not viable yet. And you have been told numerous times that the thread title does not say, or imply, it will happen soon.
And you have been told numerous times that virtually no one in this thread is saying it will happen soon.
Why are you perpetuating straw man arguments.


2. And you have been told several times that virtually all here (& myself) say that GWS would have to be extremely strong (regular lockout crowds/strong finances) before a 3rd Syd. team would be considered.
Why are you perpetuating straw man arguments?


3. You keep saying that AF fans in Sydney generally prefer RL as their no.1 main sport. I, and others, asked you for evidence of this, but you have NOT provided any. No MSM sport experts are making your dubious claim.
I, & others here, disagree with you- it is purely your subjective intuition.
Why do you continue to make this comment?

Phil Gould is a respected MSM NRL expert, & an expert on GR sport in Sydney's WS.

He has said in Sept.2019:-

."...the majority of our clubs (Sydney NRL- my words) trade in a position of insolvency, most lose money. Many are supported by poker machine money from private clubs, whose days are numbered (ie pokie profits being disbursed to insolvent Sydney NRL clubs- my words)"- 2 minutes 18 seconds to 2 mins. 36 secs.

. " GWS will be a juggernaut"- 4 minutes 45 secs- 5 mins 30 secs.

His second comment refutes your claim that Sydney AF fans' are more passionate about the game of RL, than AF.
His first comment, if it eventuates & pokie profits are not diverted to NRL clubs as they have been in previous eras, then some Sydney NRL clubs are doomed.
Both his expert comments refute some of your other negative claims about the likelihood a 3rd Sydney AFL club.








4. No one on this thread, nor the AFL , are claiming AF "will take over" from RL in NSW & Qld. Why are you making this " AF takeover" claim?
It is certainly not a prerequisite for a 3rd Sydney team.
If AF simply becomes the undisputed no. 2 sport in Sydney (behind RL), it will be a significant triumph.


5. The facts of NSW (inc. Sydney), ACT & Qld. significant AF GR growth contradict your intuition re AF fans in Sydney are primarily RL fans.

To play a very challenging, multi-dimensional (hands & feet, L & R) body contact sport, like AF, is risky. There is a very strong probability AF players will experience fear & pain; & probably injury- & eventually seek medical attention. This is in contrast to non-body contact sports (eg soccer etc.), where their Officials proclaim their sport as safe & easy for everyone to play etc.

AF players are fully aware of the dangers, but continue to play; & to train. AF requires fitness, confidence & training- to minimise the risk of injury. As the fear & probability of injury is far less in non-contact sports, training is less essential.
The high membership nos., of both Swans & GWS (cf NRL clubs), & Swans' very good crowds, is also evidence AF fans have a strong commitment.
These factors are very strong evidence AF players & fans are devoted to AF; & AF is their primary sporting interest in Sydney.

Simply because AF fans watch the RL State Of Origin does not equate to their primary sporting interest being RL.
You, also ignored my question to you re the very high ratings the annual Melb. Cup, Olympic swimming & the 1982 America's Cup win achieved. Are you claiming these viewers are primarily devoted to these sports?


6. Australia is, obviously, the pinnacle of AF in the world- a crucial distinction. AF participation nos., & the facts of their significant growth in NSW & Qld., are, therefore, extremely important, when one examines the health of a sport. It suggests a more durable attachment to AF, because AF is local & is the best standard of AF in the world: "captures the interest & excitement more". This is very likely to become stronger for many more people in Sydney.


7. Despite your continuing incorrect claims to the contrary, discussing & analysing AF growth etc. in Sydney is logical, & is very relevant to the subject of a possible 3rd Sydney team.

Virtually everyone agrees that before the AFL would decide to make the expensive (but offset by extra broadcast $) decision to have a 3rd team in Sydney, logically, the most crucial metrics to be considered by the AFL would include major growth in:-

. GR AF participant nos. (mainly club & school comp.) in Sydney.
. GWS crowd nos.
. GWS membership nos.
. GWS financial independence & sustainability
. the rise/decline/ strength of competing professional sports in Sydney
. ditto the above or the ACT(as, IMO, after Tas. joins, the 20 th club will be a combined South Sydney Canberra club-& this SSCFC will also play games in Wollongong, which have been transferred there by Melb. clubs' home games, for big $)

This thread examines these important issues.


8. The ABS most current prediction is that Sydney will have a pop. of c. 8,500,000 in 2050.
This huge population of a very wealthy, powerful & influential Sydney will be an absolutely fundamental consideration for the AFL. It would be too risky, for the long term national popularity, primacy & financial strength of AF, for the AFL not to have a 3rd team in this megapolis.
You are naive & incorrect to think the 8,500,000 pop. is not crucially important.


Your various claims & generalisations lack logic, you do not/cannot support them by any relevant facts or links, & are poorly argued (but constantly regurgitated, despite being easily repudiated).

Wow, that's a long winded post to get your point across. I'm not making strawman arguments I'm merely stating my opinion that on face value a 3rd syd team is not viable and may never be. Thread relevant.

Yet you and everyone else feel the need to defend yourselves against me with what are now frivolous figures in regards to populations and jr participation, none of that is relevant to a 3rd syd club because a 3rd syd club is not even relevant itself and may never be.

No need for everyone to get their nickers in a knot.

If you don't like my opinion or you find it lacks logic then there's no need to argue it then is there.

 

[Les Malone]

Wow, that's a long winded post to get your point across. I'm not making strawman arguments I'm merely stating my opinion that on face value a 3rd syd team is not viable and may never be. Thread relevant.

Yet you and everyone else feel the need to defend yourselves against me with what are now frivolous figures in regards to populations and jr participation, none of that is relevant to a 3rd syd club because a 3rd syd club is not even relevant itself and may never be.

No need for everyone to get their nickers in a knot.

If you don't like my opinion or you find it lacks logic then there's no need to argue it then is there.

I agree to an extent, but i reckon that a third team will eventually be on the cards, the big drawback is unlike Melbourne the third team will need its own stadium within its own demographic area.

That would mean another partnership with cricket perhaps.

Its a big stretch but the population and participation rates will eventually demand one.

 

[Pippen94]

I agree to an extent, but i reckon that a third team will eventually be on the cards, the big drawback is unlike Melbourne the third team will need its own stadium within its own demographic area.

That would mean another partnership with cricket perhaps.

Its a big stretch but the population and participation rates will eventually demand one.

The population increase will be migrants who will never play the game

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

The population increase will be migrants who will never play the game

Australia still has twice as many births as it does deaths.

 

[The_Wookie]

The population increase will be migrants who will never play the game

Thanks Nostradoofus, but thats not necessarily true. I mean as an example that at least anecdotally, Sudanese refugees are taking to the game like ducks to water. 6 recruited to AFL clubs in the last couple of years is proof thats working.

 

[jatz14]

The population increase will be migrants who will never play the game

If that argument held true, it would only be played by Aborigines.

 

[Pippen94]

Thanks Nostradoofus, but thats not necessarily true. I mean as an example that at least anecdotally, Sudanese refugees are taking to the game like ducks to water. 6 recruited to AFL clubs in the last couple of years is proof thats working.

No, the data I linked shows the game lacks diversity despite generations of migration. You've just posted an opinion based on limited outlook.
Sudanese population of Victoria is about 6,000 or 0.1% overall. Two biggest migration groups are Chinese & Indian with each already over 600,000 born in these countries living here.

 

[Colonial]

No, the data I linked shows the game lacks diversity despite generations of migration. You've just posted an opinion based on limited outlook.
Sudanese population of Victoria is about 6,000 or 0.1% overall. Two biggest migration groups are Chinese & Indian with each already over 600,000 born in these countries living here.

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[jatz14]

No, the data I linked shows the game lacks diversity despite generations of migration. You've just posted an opinion based on limited outlook.
Sudanese population of Victoria is about 6,000 or 0.1% overall. Two biggest migration groups are Chinese & Indian with each already over 600,000 born in these countries living here.

True. You just need to look at all the Chinese and Indian players in the A league to see how far AFL has fallen behind

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[The_Wookie]

No, the data I linked shows the game lacks diversity despite generations of migration. You've just posted an opinion based on limited outlook.
Sudanese population of Victoria is about 6,000 or 0.1% overall. Two biggest migration groups are Chinese & Indian with each already over 600,000 born in these countries living here.

What linked data? And I doubt it makes any assertions whatsoever on the likelihood of migrants playing any sport whatsoever. And I wasnt just referring to Victoria. And if you meant Chinese and Indian then say so. Migrants come from all over the world.

 

[RedV3x]

The population increase will be migrants who will never play the game

This extremely easy to disprove this myth.

Since the WWII Australia's population has more than doubled due to immigration whilst natural population growth has tended to zero.
The rhetoric about soccer becoming the emerging is the same now as was then and the a-league is no better than the old NSL.
In the mean time Australian Football is in a stronger position than it was back then in post war Australia.
Australian Football has maintained it's status quo meaning it has converted immigrants and locals alike in roughly the same
proportions it did more than fifty years ago.
Since a-league has not grown then you must say that soccer has performed very poorly in the professional arena.
Despite the relatively large number of immigrants to Australia each year the a-league is contracting not expanding.
it's not even a generational thing - many immigrants are successfully picking up the Australian game.
The current immigrants are picking up the game quicker than the old european immigrants.

 

[Pippen94]

What linked data? And I doubt it makes any assertions whatsoever on the likelihood of migrants playing any sport whatsoever. And I wasnt just referring to Victoria. And if you meant Chinese and Indian then say so. Migrants come from all over the world.

Asian migrants represent a large amount of population of western Sydney & this will get bigger.

 

[RedV3x]

I'm merely stating my opinion that on face value a 3rd syd team is not viable

That statement makes sense.

If you don't like my opinion or you find it lacks logic then there's no need to argue it then is there.

it's the constant re-posting of your other opinions that makes no sense what-so-ever and becomes tiresome.

 

[RedV3x]

Asian migrants represent a large amount of population of western Sydney & this will get bigger.

Can you supply a demographic breakdown of the WS area in raw and percentage terms and future immigration policies
so that we can discuss likely trends?

 

[Pippen94]

This extremely easy to disprove this myth.

Since the WWII Australia's population has more than doubled due to immigration whilst natural population growth has tended to zero.
The rhetoric about soccer becoming the emerging is the same now as was then and the a-league is no better than the old NSL.
In the mean time Australian Football is in a stronger position than it was back then in post war Australia.
Australian Football has maintained it's status quo meaning it has converted immigrants and locals alike in roughly the same
proportions it did more than fifty years ago.
Since a-league has not grown then you must say that soccer has performed very poorly in the professional arena.
Despite the relatively large number of immigrants to Australia each year the a-league is contracting not expanding.
it's not even a generational thing - many immigrants are successfully picking up the Australian game.
The current immigrants are picking up the game quicker than the old european immigrants.

This is all anecdotal. Stats I linked show afl is made up of 85% of players with Anglo Celtic surnames. This is after many waves of migration to Australia. There is no evidence new Australians are taking up sport quicker - you're just rabbiting official line or talking out of your...

 

[BringBackTorps]

The population increase will be migrants who will never[BS] play the game

1. Another lie from the troll.

There are plenty of people playing in the AFL, or in GR AF, who were either born in another country, or had a parent/s born in another country.

Re Australians from an Asian background, although they are, generally, underrepresented in GR AF playing nos., there are still some fair nos.- particularly in VAFA private school Old Boys' AF clubs. Anecdotally, I estimate c. 5-7%
(Persons of Asian background- not inc. the Middle East- are c.10% of the Aust. population).

Roy Morgan polls have consistently shown migrants attend AFL matches in very large nos.
Also, FAR more persons who were born overseas attend AFL matches, cf overseas-born persons attending A League matches.
(When you raised your phoney narrative earlier in this thread, you were advised of these Morgan migrant polls)
Why are you ignoring or challenging these facts, with your phoney narrative?

Why are you refusing to answer the questions I put to you in my posts #1722, 1789, 1917 & 1979 above?
Because you can't, as you would further expose yourself as an insecure soccer troll.




Also
2. It is important, for religious reasons, that a 3rd team be eventually established in Sydney.
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Adams later stated he felt compelled to escape from Melb. permanently, because he was an atheist.

 

[The_Wookie]

This is all anecdotal. Stats I linked show afl is made up of 85% of players with Anglo Celtic surnames. This is after many waves of migration to Australia. There is no evidence new Australians are taking up sport quicker - you're just rabbiting official line or talking out of your...

You havent linked any actual relevant stats. and the game extends far beyond the AFL. You dont have any data on the take up of Australian football amongst new migrants. There is plenty of evidence that new Australians have taken up the game over the last 60 years - just not your chosen ones. theres a whole world outside of Asia and the subcontinent.

This might fly on other sites with your mates but Ill not put up with your trolling here longer than I have to.

 

[RedV3x]

This is all anecdotal.

No, no, no no no no no. Do you even know what anecdotal means?
It's really really really quite simple.
Australian Football is a much stronger position than it was fifty years ago and soccer isn't.
Australia's population has doubled through immigration. What's anecdotal about that?
Australian Football is simply outperforming soccer.
Immigration is well over 100,000 people per year, if only 1% of immigrants attended a-league then there would be significant rise
but the opposite is true, isn't it Pippen. No matter how you try and avoid it, soccer is in trouble
and your constant attempts to find something negative about Australian Football is getting to the laughable stage.

 

[RedV3x]

Pippen what do you think the reason is that the a-league had it's best results more than ten years ago and has had it's worst results in the just the last two years. This is despite an additional 1.5 million soccer craving immigrants coming to Australia.

A-League Men attendance - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In the same period AFL average attendances have reamined the same despite the addition of new teams.
In the same period AFL total attendances have risen by over one million people.

How do you explain that Pippen in light of your immigrant theories?

 

[Pippen94]

You havent linked any actual relevant stats. and the game extends far beyond the AFL. You dont have any data on the take up of Australian football amongst new migrants. There is plenty of evidence that new Australians have taken up the game over the last 60 years - just not your chosen ones. theres a whole world outside of Asia and the subcontinent.

This might fly on other sites with your mates but Ill not put up with your trolling here longer than I have to.

Also this showing lowest participation of people born in non English speaking countries of all football codes

4156.0.55.001 - Perspectives on Sport, May 2009

www.abs.gov.au

That afl is least diverse of all codes is a fact.

 

[RedV3x]

That afl is least diverse of all codes is a fact.

Apart from Australian aborigines, every single Australian is an immigrant. Another lame attempt by Pippen troll.