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Not sure about that, I think the AFL in particular are happy to let the FFA use the word "Football" whilst using and flogging their own "AFL" branding everywhere.

The AFL certainly aren't "happy' about the FFA trying to monopolize the word "football."
The AFL branding is mainly just that - branding - making the brand strong.

If the AFL want to use and own the word "Football" in Australia they would.

The AFL talk football all the time. Australian Football talks football all the time. They're all _name_ Football Leagues,
Otherwise we'd be watching the AAFL - the Australian AFL.
We probably should be calling soccer Federation Football as that is the title soccer has chosen.
 
Further to that we can say the Rugby's full name is the Rugby Football union and Rugby Leagues full name is the Rugby Football league. Little wonder that when people come to Australia from 3rd world countries they get confused as to what is football.

No more confusing than the different types of car available or food or any other product for that matter.
The only confusing issue is when the media purposely use sensationalism as in "breaking football news"
when it should be "in breaking AFL/NRL/RU etc etc news".
Today i heard the ABC presenter say "in soccer news" - I think she'll be out of a job tomorrow !
 
I'd say there is a greater propensity in NSW and certainly amongst British emigre and tourists more generally. The whole "it's called football" rejection of the word soccer is a product of growing british inferiority complex towards US culture. Soccer was invented in britian was still used widely in the UK until the 80s.

It has now metastasised here due considerably, IMO, to Australian soccer having a particularly large case of the cultural cringe.

I'd agree with. What was once official, accepted and universally used has now gone out of favour with the people who codified the game.
The only area where football has some sort semi-legitimate hold is where there was basically only one form of football.
Thus the mentality - only one form of football - so let's make it official and call it Football, but in most countries that is not true anymore.
According to wiki 120 countries play rugby, over 80 countries play rugby, over 66 countries play Gaelic Football and over 60 countries play Australian football.
Thus soccer's 200 countries is just a majority not an excuse for exclusivity.
 

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Not sure about that, I think the AFL in particular are happy to let the FFA use the word "Football" whilst using and flogging their own "AFL" branding everywhere. If the AFL want to use and own the word "Football" in Australia they would.

The AFL regularly use the term football and Australian Football (see below).....

Ironically the only reason I have heard from the AFL as to why they adopted the "AFL" branding for the game in the northern states was to not offend the sentiments of the markets they were trying to grow into!



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1. If this ChannelNews report is correct, Optus will not be bidding for the RA 2021- 2026 broadcast Rights for RU Tests, Super Rugby etc.
RA could be facing a major financial disaster since it relies very heavily on the Rights' $ to support all levels of RU in Aust.

Fox Sports would probably only offer a much reduced Rights' deal.


Or is Richards' unnamed Optus source trying to whiteant RA's Rights' $ expectations?



2. NZ RU is experiencing a significant long term decline in GR male contact RU nos. This NZ decline has been accelerating in recent years- although RU still attracts the highest % of good athletes cf other NZ sports.
(Female contact RU & RL is having significant growth in NZ, as in Aust.).

This NZ male RU contact player decline has no direct impact now on GR or elite RU & RL in Australia.
There will, however, eventually be an indirect, negative impact in Aust. because:-

. c. 45% of NRL, Aust. Super Rugby, & Wallaby players are now either born in NZ, or Pasifika nations; or are born in Aust., but come from NZ (euro or maori) or Pasifica backgrounds. For elite jnr NRL & RU squads, the % is c. 50%.

As GR contact RU nos. continue to decline in NZ, there will be an eventual decline in the numbers & quality of NZ born players in elite Aust. RU & RL teams.
Also, Aust. born players, of NZ or Pasifica background, in Aust. elite teams may not have the same quality, if fewer of their parents had the passion &/or played in NZ.

This will cause a decline in average skill standards in Aust. RU & RL teams- & will probably cause a negative impact on Aust. crowds & ratings, & broadcast $.
The Wallabies will also become less competitive- their success ("the showcase of RU") is crucial to RA's attempts to grow RU in Aust.

. the narrative of the male "antipodean retreat" from contact RU will become more anxious, obvious, & attract more MSM attention. A PR negative loop cycle.
This bad news will, probably, contribute to further demoralisation of RU & RL in Aust., & a further loss of players, interest, & ratings in RU & RL.

. If NZ elite RU becomes weaker financially, it may be more difficult for it to assist Aust. RU- as it has done in previous decades, when Aust. RU had some severe problems.

. it is likely that GR AF will continue be a beneficiary of the male RU & RL decline. Many NSW/Qld./ACT, & even NZ males, who want to play a body contact sport, may be attracted to GR AF.





Examples of the NZ GR Male Contact RU Significant Decline

. NZ Radio H. Bidwell Sports' Journalist 14.2.20

Bidwell said

"Before long we will have First XV rugby...and the All Blacks, with next to nothing in between. Junior club grades are now going to 10 a-side...don't have the numbers. Talk is that adult club rugby will go the same way...clubs are dying. But the death of these institutions means the death of the game...".

Strong rumours are that South Africa will leave SANZAAR in c.5 years, to play in Europe- much more lucrative $.
"The South African TV network Super Sport effectively underwrites rugby in this country (& Aust., due to very strong European ratings for games in SA, same time zone- my words)...already NZR have a forecast deficit of $30m over the next 5 years. Lose Super Sport...NZR (& RA- my words) are in real strife".




. NZ Herald 24.1.20

"NZ Rugby has announced an extensive Review to future-proof the sport...rugby is under pressure...from participation, fan engagement, talent retention...".




. RugbyPass website B. Smith 12.1.20

Smith said

" It has been predicted that basketball will become New Zealand's most participated youth sport by high school students this year, having overtaken rugby a couple of years ago".
(Soccer is also growing, & overtook rugby many years ago).

Re NZ Super Rugby TV viewers "The younger you were, the less likely you were to be watching rugby...Of the Super Rugby audience...alarmingly just 10% of Gen Z (1990- 2005)" watched.
"Over 70% of the audience was 42 and older...with pre-boomers & babyboomers forming a large % of the viewership...the professional game in NZ will be a ticking time bomb towards extinction".




. NZ Stuff. Sports' website 29.9.19

"NZ Rugby...is introducing a new initiative from 2020 which will allow Provincial Unions to modify team size... There will also be more of a focus on non contact (my emphasis) Rip Rugby , and a 10-a-side format ...the initiative known as Game On has been designed to reduce the number of defaults due to lack of player numbers".

Rip Rugby "Non-contact...versions...are growing in popularity. Rip Rugby...enables kids to enjoy the game without... risk of injury (my emphases )".

 
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1. If this ChannelNews report is correct, Optus will not be bidding for the RA 2021- 2026 broadcast Rights for RU Tests, Super Rugby etc.
RA could be facing a major financial disaster since it relies very heavily on the Rights' $ to support all levels of RU in Aust.

Fox Sports would probably only offer a much reduced Rights' deal.


Or is Roberts' unnamed Optus source trying to whiteant RA's Rights' $ expectations?



2. NZ RU is experiencing a significant long term decline in GR male contact RU. This NZ decline has been accelerating in recent years- although RU still attracts easily the highest % of good athletes cf other NZ sports.
(Female contact RU & RL is having significant growth in NZ, as in Aust.).

This NZ male RU contact player decline has no direct impact now on GR or elite RU & RL in Australia.
There will, however, eventually be an indirect, negative impact in Aust. because:-

. c. 45% of NRL, Aust. Super Rugby, & Wallaby players are now either born in NZ, or Pasifika nations; or are born in Aust., but come from NZ (euro or maori) or Pasifica backgrounds. For elite jnr NRL & RU squads, the % is c. 50%.

As GR contact RU nos. continue to decline in NZ, there will be an eventual decline in the numbers & quality of NZ born players in elite Aust. RU & RL teams.
Aust. born players, of NZ or Pasifica background, in Aust. elite teams may not have the same quality, if fewer of their parents had the passion &/or played in NZ.

This will cause a decline in average skill standards in Aust. RU & RL teams- & will probably cause a negative impact on Aust. crowds & ratings, & broadcast $.
The Wallabies will also become less competitive- their success ("the showcase of RU") is crucial to RA's attempts to grow RU in Aust.

. the narrative of the male "antipodean retreat" from contact RU will become more anxious, obvious, & attract more MSM attention. A PR negative loop cycle.
This bad news will, probably, contribute to further demoralisation of RU & RL in Aust., & a further loss of players & interest in RU & RL.

. If NZ elite RU becomes weaker financially, it may be more difficult for it to assist Aust. RU- as it has done in previous decades, when Aust. RU had some severe problems.

. it is likely that GR AF will continue be a beneficiary of the male RU & RL decline. Many NSW/Qld./ACT, & even NZ males, who want to play a body contact sport, may be attracted to GR AF.





Examples of the NZ GR Decline

. NZ Radio H. Bidwell Sports' Journalist 14.2.20

Bidwell said

"Before long we will have First XV rugby...and the All Blacks, with next to nothing in between. Junior club grades are now going to 10 a-side...don't have the numbers. Talk is that adult club rugby will go the same way...clubs are dying. But the death of these institutions means the death of the game...".

Strong rumours are that South Africa will leave SANZAAR in c.5 years, to play in Europe.
"The South African TV network Super Sport effectively underwrites rugby in this country (& Aust., due to very strong European ratings, same time zone- my words)...already NZR have a forecast deficit of $30m over the next 5 years. Lose Super Sport...NZR (& RA- my words) are in real strife".




. NZ Herald 24.1.20

"NZ Rugby has announced an extensive Review to future-proof the sport...rugby is under pressure...from participation, fan engagement, talent retention...".




. RugbyPass website B. Smith 12.1.20

Smith said

" It has been predicted that basketball will become New Zealand's most participated youth sport by high school students this year, having overtaken rugby a couple of years ago".
(Soccer is also growing, & overtook rugby many years ago).

Re NZ Super Rugby TV viewers "The younger you were, the less likely you were to be watching rugby...Of the Super Rugby audience...alarmingly just 10% of Gen Z (1990- 2005)" watched. "Over 70% of the audience was 42 and older...with pre-boomers & babyboomers forming a large % of the viewership...the professional game in NZ will be a ticking time bomb towards extinction".




. NZ Stuff Sports' website 29.9.19

"NZ Rugby...is introducing a new initiative from 2020 which will allow Provincial Unions to modify team size... There will also be more of a focus on non contact (my emphasis) Rip Rugby , and a 10-a-side format ...the initiative known as Game On has been designed to reduce the number of defaults due to lack of player numbers".

Rip Rugby "Non-contact...versions...are growing in popularity. Rip Rugby...enables kids to enjoy the game without... risk of injury (my emphases )".

What the hell does this have to do with 3rd team??
 
Uuummmm, are you seriously accusing me of always talking about Victoria???
Not sure about that, I think the AFL in particular are happy to let the FFA use the word "Football" whilst using and flogging their own "AFL" branding everywhere. If the AFL want to use and own the word "Football" in Australia they would.
the afl don’t own or have a a copyright on the word football that would never legally be allowed to happen anyone that thinks that is extremely gullible
 
What the hell does this have to do with 3rd team??
I have asked you, numerous times in this Thread, to answer my questions in posts #1722 1789 1917 1978 1995 - by addressing the issues in the questions, which expose your many lies. You have continuously refused.

When you answer my questions, I will answer your question (although I usually ignore trolls. Particularly Englishmen such as yourself, living in Aust., pretending to be AF fans, but who espouse venom towards AF).
 
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the afl don’t own or have a a copyright on the word football that would never legally be allowed to happen anyone that thinks that is extremely gullible

I wasn't implying that at all, maybe owned was to stronge of a word to use. If the AFL want to start branding and calling itself as Australian Football more so than it's AFL branding especially all over media outlets it would.
 

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If the AFL want to start branding and calling itself as Australian Football more so than it's AFL branding especially all over media outlets it would.

The AFL are not Australian Football. The AFL is the top league for Australian Football.
The AFL promotes it's brand like any league.
 
Entirely about rugby in New Zealand.

It's not entirely about rugby in NZ but rather the flow on effects generating malaise in Southern Hemisphere rugby.
Though I believe the success of any sport depends primarily on it's own efforts sometimes there is some crossover.
Now, if you'd read and understood BringBackTorps post you would have realised that he was saying that
the general malaise in Southern Hemisphere rugby would affect it's media return. Rugby is already affected by
a serious lack of FTA time and any worsening of media exposure could have disastrous effects on the future of rugby.
Would that benefit Australian Football ? Quite possibly.
 
As GR contact RU nos. continue to decline in NZ, there will be an eventual decline in the numbers & quality of NZ born players in elite Aust. RU & RL teams.


This will cause a decline in average skill standards in Aust. RU & RL teams- & will probably cause a negative impact on Aust. crowds & ratings, & broadcast $.

The Wallabies will also become less competitive- their success ("the showcase of RU") is crucial to RA's attempts to grow RU in Aust.

That is one scenario. The other is:
The NRL is perceived to be less islander dominated and thus more popular even though the standard is lower.
The Wallabies defeat the All Blacks and become more popular even though the standard is lower.
 
This was in participation thread, based on fixtures and results ( ladders) from the Sydney junior AFL site.

I agree with the heading of this thread.

.......

Just to make it more clear on the growth in Sydney using the under 12's as an example ...

In 2012 in Sydney there were 42 under 12's boys community club teams (32 in Swans zone, 10 in GWS zone or WS), no private school boys and girls teams, no community club girls teams


In 2019 in Sydney there were 129 under 12 teams

break up as follows

63 boys community club teams
28 girls community club teams
18 private school boys teams
20 private school girls teams

No doubt some double up of players between community and school at that age level, they play on different days, one plays Saturday, the other Sunday

Incredible rise really.
 
1. GWS has just reached 25,392 members- this is a 51.5% increase cf. the same date in 2019. Extraordinary (in NSW) for a club that has been in the AFL for only 8 years, based in Sydney's previously barren for AF WS.

The 2019 final tally of 30,108 (which included c. 5500 from the ACT) will be easily broken in 2020.
30,000+ easily surpasses virtually all non-AF pro sporting clubs in NSW & Qld. (Swans in 2019 had 60,000+; Broncos & South Sydney also reach 30,000+).
Many pro clubs (a few in existence for 100+ years) in NSW & Qld. well under 20,000 final members in 2019.




2. GWS CEO D. Matthews said on 9.2.20, on Radio 1017AM Sky Big Sport Breakfast, GWS will reach c. 35,000 members in 2020, & possibly 50,000 the next few years.

I suspect the majority of Sydney memberships are less than a full 8 game season for Giants' Stadium matches. For the 3 Canberra games, only 3 game memberships exist.
To count as being an Official member in the AFL, one must be a minimum 3 game member, having paid at least $50.

50,000 would be a stunning achievement for GWS.

All Matthews' early membership predictions in the last 7 years (when he made a prediction in every year) has been vindicated by the final years' tally.

Asked about membership in 5 years time, Matthews replied

"...I would like to see 50,000...35,000 members this year, get to 50,000 in 2 to 3 years ...17 other clubs, most about 100 to 150 years old...we want to be as robust as we can be...our absolute priority is western Sydney...Essendon, under Sheedy, was once the second most supported club in the rest of Australia... This (Essendon) example is set for us. There is no limitation for us. We want to grow our fan base in any way we can".

(go to 4 minutes 20 secs. - 6 mins. 55 secs.)











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3. GWS has some very wealthy supporters from Pimco Bonds in the US (who control over $300 billion in assets). These US supporters, some of whom regularly visit Australia to watch GWS games, have taken over the sponsorship Rights from Spotless- & are paying GWS $2.5m. pa to rename their stadium "Giants Stadium".

(go to post #1162; & post#1174- P.Williams 27.9.19 tweet, for the full Pimco Bonds GWS article in The Australian).


About 5.5m. people live in the USA who are immigrants from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka & Bangladeshi- but most are from India.


When asked about the AFL game that GWS has recently stated it wishes to play in the USA, Matthews said

"There will be a meaningful 20-20 competition established across America...with facilities (cricket grounds, with large accomodation for fans etc. -my words)... We have a lot of partners (ie GWS & AFL supporters- my words) in the US, we have a lot of people who are encouraging us to take a game".
(go to 7 mins.2 secs. - 8 mins. 30 secs. of Radio 1017 link above)
 
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SEN Melb. Radio T.Watson & G.Lyon program 5.3.20

They briefly discussed the purpose of the proposed GWS (home game) vs. Essendon match in LA or San Francisco from 2021 or 2022. The US-initiated proposal is that GWS would play this game every year- either a week before Round 1, or during the bye round, so both teams have a 14 day break.

Watson then asked Lyon

"What if a couple of really well heeled businessmen came to GWS, and said 'we want to buy the club, we want to have private ownership'. Do you think the AFL will entertain this?".

Watson did not claim, nor imply, he had direct information about such a takeover.

(then click on "SEN Breakfast Full Show 5.3.20"; then scroll to 1 hour 46 mins. 4 second mark - 1 hr 47 min 40 secs.)




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SEN Melb. Radio T.Watson & G.Lyon program 5.3.20

They briefly discussed the purpose of the proposed GWS (home game) vs. Essendon match in LA or San Francisco from 2012 or 2022. The US-initiated proposal is that GWS would play this game every year- either a week before Round 1, or during the bye round, so both teams have a 14 day break.

Watson then asked Lyon

"What if a couple of really well heeled businessmen came to GWS, and said 'we want to buy the club, we want to have private ownership'. Do you think the AFL will entertain this?".

Watson did not claim, nor imply, he had direct information about such a takeover.

(then click on "SEN Breakfast Full Show 5.3.20"; then scroll to 1 hour 46 mins. 4 second mark - 1 hr 47 min 40 secs.)




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If club could draw a home crowd there would be no talk of usa game
 
I'm starting to think general giant has just set up Pippen as a stalking horse alias account to score cheap points off

Haha as a Skyblue and a Giant I could never pretend to be a Wanderer without dry reaching.

He does make it easy though.

Considering we are 3rd in memberships of all sports in Sydney and our crowd averages are up there(in Sydney terms).

He needs to concentrate on his own sport and club.


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1. GWS has just reached 25,392 members- this is a 51.5% increase cf. the same date in 2019. Extraordinary (in NSW) for a club that has been in the AFL for only 8 years, based in Sydney's previously barren for AF WS.

The 2019 final tally of 30,108 (which included c. 5500 from the ACT) will be easily broken in 2020.
30,000+ easily surpasses virtually all non-AF pro sporting clubs in NSW & Qld. (Swans in 2019 had 60,000+; Broncos & South Sydney also reach 30,000+).
Many pro clubs (a few in existence for 100+ years) in NSW & Qld. well under 20,000 final members in 2019.




2. GWS CEO D. Matthews said on 9.2.20, on Radio 1017AM Sky Big Sport Breakfast, GWS will reach c. 35,000 members in 2020, & possibly 50,000 the next few years.

I suspect the majority of Sydney memberships are less than a full 8 game season for Giants' Stadium matches. For the 3 Canberra games, only 3 game memberships exist.
To count as being an Official member in the AFL, one must be a minimum 3 game member, having paid at least $50.

50,000 would be a stunning achievement for GWS.

All Matthews' early membership predictions in the last 7 years (when he made a prediction in every year) has been vindicated by the final years' tally.

Asked about membership in 5 years time, Matthews replied

"...I would like to see 50,000...35,000 members this year, get to 50,000 in 2 to 3 years ...17 other clubs, most about 100 to 150 years old...we want to be as robust as we can be...our absolute priority is western Sydney...Essendon, under Sheedy, was once the second most supported club in the rest of Australia... This (Essendon) example is set for us. There is no limitation for us. We want to grow our fan base in any way we can".

(go to 4 minutes 20 secs. - 6 mins. 55 secs.)











EDIT:


3. GWS has some very wealthy supporters from Pimco Bonds in the US (who control over $300 billion in assets). These US supporters, some of whom regularly visit Australia to watch GWS games, have taken over the sponsorship Rights from Spotless- & are paying GWS $2.5m. pa to rename their stadium "Giants Stadium".

(go to post #1162; & post#1174- P.Williams 27.9.19 tweet, for the full Pimco Bonds GWS article in The Australian).


About 5.5m. people live in the USA who are immigrants from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka & Bangladeshi- but most are from India.


When asked about the AFL game that GWS has recently stated it wishes to play in the USA, Matthews said

"There will be a meaningful 20-20 competition established across America...with facilities (cricket grounds, with large accomodation for fans etc. -my words)... We have a lot of partners (ie GWS & AFL supporters- my words) in the US, we have a lot of people who are encouraging us to take a game".
(go to 7 mins.2 secs. - 8 mins. 30 secs. of Radio 1017 link above)
Well there won't be any tickets for away fans if this is true about membership numbers
 
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