A Third Team In Sydney - It's Only a Matter Of Time !!

[Kwality]

Maybe someone like Kwality should view these number and finally put to bed the theory that there is oversupply in vic re support for AFL.

When the AFL move games out of Melbourne, it tells you nothing 2010?
Its relative to AFL footy, yes??

The numbers you want me to look at are what? One size does not fit all.

 

[Carringbush2010]

When the AFL move games out of Melbourne, it tells you nothing 2010?
Its relative to AFL footy, yes??

The numbers you want me to look at are what? One size does not fit all.

It tells you there's not an oversupply for the vic market for AFL. Which you consistently at any and every opportunity whether or not it's thread relevant (like this one) continue to tell everyone in futility.

 

[Kwality]

It tells you there's not an oversupply for the vic market for AFL. Which you consistently at any and every opportunity whether or not it's thread relevant (like this one) continue to tell everyone in futility.

Of course its relevant to an extra team ANYWARE.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Of course its relevant to an extra team ANYWARE.

Far reaching, you're using the very very thinly related debate about a 3rd Syd team to stick the boots into the vic market (or any other thread you view as 'relevant') - which your argument is doubtful and speculative at best.

Right now, if we had a 3rd Syd team you could argue there's oversupply in Syd - you could definitely there's oversupply now given it's RL heartland.

That's certainly more debatable than your argument there is oversupply in Melbourne.

 

[NoobPie]

No. It's more of a reaction to fans of other codes reacting against the popularity of Australian Football.

Well, that's probably what you or I would contend are our motivations...

I must admit to thinking rugby league is a pretty low grade degenerative sport but ultimately that is subjective (I still actually watch it occasionally and know a decent amount about it)

This is opinion and certainly not fact. Perth has two AFL teams, no RU, no NRL, a soccer team for sale. Yes, Perth is bigger in NBL and used to be big in ABL but we're talking basically football here.

I was using "fact" figuratively but , yes, in a literal sense it is an opinion. Perth's NBL crowds would have been my example. The A League crowds are no worse than Sydney's or Brisbane's pound for pound though.

If you had stated stated "interest" in stead of "attendance" you might have been closer, but even there you'd be wrong. A lot of Perth have a interest in the EPL but would never be seen dead at a Australian soccer match.
This, interest in other sports, is just that - an interest. It might be a following even but not what constitutes "support". Support is actually spending da money and attending the games. An interest in another sports rests squarely on choice and you see it across the world where smaller cities have more choice because the larger the city the harder it is for minority sports to receive media attention, but that's a totally different topic.
I have an interest in some other sports and actually play some as well but that means zip overall.

So have I and it's only rugby league fans. I have asked them "how do you hate a sport?". The simple answer is jealously. Rugby league fans are jealous of the success of Australian Football and somehow have this confused with the Melbourne/Sydney rivalry. It used to stump these opinionated fans when I would say "well I'm not from Melbourne and I like Australian Football."
I am indifferent to many sports. I do not hate any sport - I simply ignore any sport that doesn't interest me.

I certainly agree with this though I would throw soccer in as well. There is serious jealousy at play from a section of league and soccer fans (seemingly disproportionately from Sydney) for whom the rise and rise of Australian football is experienced as a personal loss.

This is demonstrated by the number of troll accounts that crop up on the footy industry forum.

 

[Kwality]

Far reaching, you're using the very very thinly related debate about a 3rd Syd team to stick the boots into the vic market (or any other thread you view as 'relevant') - which your argument is doubtful and speculative at best.

Right now, if we had a 3rd Syd team you could argue there's oversupply in Syd - you could definitely there's oversupply now given it's RL heartland.

That's certainly more debatable than your argument there is oversupply in Melbourne.

Its bums on seats that are the problem, not boots.

Lets see how the AFL handle Tas taking the bat ($s) & staying home.
Mr Kestleman has a Feb 29 date for Tas to get on board with an NBL team.

 

[Kwality]

I would throw soccer in as well. There is serious jealousy at play from a section of league and soccer fans (seemingly disproportionately from Sydney) for whom the rise and rise of Australian football is experienced as a personal loss.

Agree with the jealousy & its fed by the soccer media, a guy like Craig Foster appears (to me) to want Aus to be the UK, cant understand Aus sport in its wider sense & appearing to make little to no effort to understand why or how soccer should address where it is ..
Bozza has a better grasp the few times I catch him.

The ordinary sports fan who follows the A-League/footy/NRL/Big Bash/NBL has a better feel than Foster & the EuroSnob followers.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Its bums on seats that are the problem, not boots.

Lets see how the AFL handle Tas taking the bat ($s) & staying home.
Mr Kestleman has a Feb 29 date for Tas to get on board with an NBL team.

Little relevance to a 3rd team in Syd.

 

[RedV3x]

I must admit to thinking rugby league is a pretty low grade degenerative sport but ultimately that is subjective.

I have a loose interest in other sports. I support Australian Football and AFL. I'd like to see more of Gaelic Football but the irish have no idea or desire how to develop their sport. American Football is interesting to watch but it is not a very approachable sport. Rugby Union is a very scrappy sport and usually it takes an international contest to making it interesting. Rugby League is a much cleaner sport than Rugby Union and initially a lot more attractive but the repetitive nature of the game soon takes over. that is my opinion

I certainly agree with this though I would throw soccer in as well. There is serious jealousy at play from a section of league and soccer fans (seemingly disproportionately from Sydney) for whom the rise and rise of Australian football is experienced as a personal loss.

I mentioned rugby league because of the usage of the word "hate" by some of their fans.
I totally agree with soccer fans being included by their total rejection of the notion that there are other forms of football.
Soccer fans now hate the use of the word "soccer" even though they, the English, invented the word.
Soccer fans now demand total and absolute use of the word "football" even though there is no logic to that demand.
Soccer fans now try to justify commandeering the word football because soccer players spend most of their time soccering the ball
yet forget that handling the ball is part of the game and a goal doesn't have to scored by kicking the ball.
Soccer fans are ignorant of Australian Football where the game revolves around kicking and a score must be kicked cleanly between the posts.
Australian Football was also the first football to be codified.

 

[Kwality]

Little relevance to a 3rd team in Syd.

I know all the WA jokes, fit you to a tee ...

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

If you get off the internet it is actually bloody hard to find anyone who cares if Soccer is called soccer. I’m sure there are some small circles but I have literally never met any Australian who really cares.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I know all the WA jokes, fit you to a tee ...

There's more relevance to a 3rd team here than in Syd.

 

[Les Malone]

If you get off the internet it is actually bloody hard to find anyone who cares if Soccer is called soccer. I’m sure there are some small circles but I have literally never met any Australian who really cares.

I have met a few people that take offence when you call it soccer, of course there are ways and means to say soccer without intending to be derogatory about it and most people read this, but some still take offence of the word no matter how it is put.

I think the argument has been about branding at the top level.

I think the AFL made a mistake in their branding of the game as AFL, i don't like it, it is not the official name and i think it has lead to confusion, i think it was also a change to appeal and appease the Northern States.

 

[Colonial]

Thanks for your concern. It’s ok though, Auskick is strictly non-contact. Out of interest, what are your thoughts on kids playing soccer? The fact they’re encouraged to routinely allow the ball to smash them in the head must worry you?

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[NoobPie]

If you get off the internet it is actually bloody hard to find anyone who cares if Soccer is called soccer. I’m sure there are some small circles but I have literally never met any Australian who really cares.

Likely the case in Victoria....although I have met someone who visibly cringes when I say the word "soccer"

I'd say there is a greater propensity in NSW and certainly amongst British emigre and tourists more generally. The whole "it's called football" rejection of the word soccer is a product of growing british inferiority complex towards US culture. Soccer was invented in britian was still used widely in the UK until the 80s.

It has now metastasised here due considerably, IMO, to Australian soccer having a particularly large case of the cultural cringe

 

[giggler99]

Likely the case in Victoria....although I have met someone who visibly cringes when I say the word "soccer"

I'd say there is a greater propensity in NSW and certainly amongst British emigre and tourists more generally. The whole "it's called football" rejection of the word soccer is a product of growing british inferiority complex towards US culture. Soccer was invented in britian was still used widely in the UK until the 80s.

It has now metastasised here due considerably, IMO, to Australian soccer having a particularly large case of the cultural cringe

I think it is more the case that the FFA has been allowed to use the word Football throughout its I.P‘s and the media outlets without any complaints from the other codes.The AFL using its own branding over everything related to Australian Football and Rugby League using NRL or just League have given soccer this opportunity. So some soccer Fans have claimed to take ownership of the title. It really has only been a recent thing like since the formation of the FFA. But back in the 80’s and 90’s (as far back as I can remember) soccer was always soccer and football or footy was always Australian football Nobody cared otherwise that was just how it was.

 

[NoobPie]

I think it is more the case that the FFA has been allowed to use the word Football throughout its I.P‘s and media outlets without any complaints from the other codes.The AFL using its own branding over everything related to Australian Football and Rugby League using NRL or just League have given soccer this opportunity. So some soccer Fans have claimed to take ownership of the title. It really has only been a recent thing like since the formation of the FFA. But back in the 80’s and 90’s soccer was always soccer and football or footy was always Australian football Nobody cares that was just how it was.

I agree with the last sentence that is certainly how it was in Victorian in the 80s and 90s

My argument is that the basis for Australian soccer changing its name to "football" was rooted in the "don't call it soccer" inferiority movement in the Uk that eventually made its way over here.

There was nothing stopping Australian soccer changing its name to football.

The AFL certainly did take umbrage at the use of the phrase "Australian football" to describe Australian soccer though. From memory it was a factor in the move from Qantas who took to plastering planes with "Qantas supports Australian football" in reference to soccer

 

[Kwality]

I think it is more the case that the FFA has been allowed to use the word Football throughout its I.P‘s and the media outlets without any complaints from the other codes.The AFL using its own branding over everything related to Australian Football and Rugby League using NRL or just League have given soccer this opportunity. So some soccer Fans have claimed to take ownership of the title. It really has only been a recent thing like since the formation of the FFA. But back in the 80’s and 90’s (as far back as I can remember) soccer was always soccer and football or footy was always Australian football Nobody cared otherwise that was just how it was.

footy: WA, SA, Vic, Tas all Aussie Rules, not NSW & Q.

 

[NoobPie]

footy: WA, SA, Vic, Tas all Aussie Rules, not NSW & Q.

Fair to say that on an Australian football forum that that qualification is not needed. Also, we were clearly talking about Victoria

 

[Kwality]

Fair to say that on an Australian football forum that that qualification is not needed. Also, we were clearly talking about Victoria

You certainly always are.

 

[NoobPie]

You certainly always are.

Uuummmm, are you seriously accusing me of always talking about Victoria???

 

[Kwality]

Uuummmm, are you seriously accusing me of always talking about Victoria???

Not at all, I've seen you commenting on our game nationally, its your blinkers .... a hangover from the State League days.

 

[RedV3x]

I think it is more the case that the FFA has been allowed to use the word Football throughout its I.P‘s and the media outlets without any complaints from the other codes.

It's more a case of FFA forcing it's way with government support. Any comment from other codes would be seen as sour grapes.

The AFL using its own branding over everything related to Australian Football and Rugby League using NRL or just League have given soccer this opportunity.

No. AFL and the NRL are the elite competitions for Australian Football and rugby league respectfully. Both codes have colloquialisms. Rugby Union is known as rugby. Now, it is very easy to afford confusion - just use the competition name - simple, but for some reason nobody wants to use the obvious which is the A-L or even FIFA. Everybody knows that there are many types of football except for soccer fans. If soccer fans and organisations don't want to use the term 'soccer' as they did until recently then they should use the competition name or formulate a descriptor name.

But back in the 80’s and 90’s (as far back as I can remember) soccer was always soccer .

The official name of soccer is Association Football from whence soccer is derived.The word 'soccer' is in the dictionary and aptly describes the game of soccer, that is, a game whereby 90% of the time is spent soccering a ball around and 10% diving onto the ground.

football or footy was always Australian football Nobody cared otherwise that was just how it was.

The indigenous Australian game was always known as 'football' since it's inception and that is it's official name - "Football". There have been adjectives given to it - Melbourne rules, Geelong rules, South Australian rules, Victorian rules, colonial rules and Now Australian Football - to distinguish it from other forms of football as in Rugby rules and British Association Football. Australian Football is officially just "Football".

 

[Aussie in exile]

It's more a case of FFA forcing it's way with government support. Any comment from other codes would be seen as sour grapes.



No. AFL and the NRL are the elite competitions for Australian Football and rugby league respectfully. Both codes have colloquialisms. Rugby Union is known as rugby. Now, it is very easy to afford confusion - just use the competition name - simple, but for some reason nobody wants to use the obvious which is the A-L or even FIFA. Everybody knows that there are many types of football except for soccer fans. If soccer fans and organisations don't want to use the term 'soccer' as they did until recently then they should use the competition name or formulate a descriptor name.




The official name of soccer is Association Football from whence soccer is derived.The word 'soccer' is in the dictionary and aptly describes the game of soccer, that is, a game whereby 90% of the time is spent soccering a ball around and 10% diving onto the ground.




The indigenous Australian game was always known as 'football' since it's inception and that is it's official name - "Football". There have been adjectives given to it - Melbourne rules, Geelong rules, South Australian rules, Victorian rules, colonial rules and Now Australian Football - to distinguish it from other forms of football as in Rugby rules and British Association Football. Australian Football is officially just "Football".

Further to that we can say the Rugby's full name is the Rugby Football union and Rugby Leagues full name is the Rugby Football league. Little wonder that when people come to Australia from 3rd world countries they get confused as to what is football.

 

[giggler99]

It's more a case of FFA forcing it's way with government support. Any comment from other codes would be seen as sour grapes.

Not sure about that, I think the AFL in particular are happy to let the FFA use the word "Football" whilst using and flogging their own "AFL" branding everywhere. If the AFL want to use and own the word "Football" in Australia they would.