A Third Team In Sydney - It's Only a Matter Of Time !!

[Pippen94]

There is definitely capacity to play 22 games in Sydney.

Take out finals & swans game and Canberra drew larger crowds

 

[Pippen94]

I wouldn't say that. I would say that the expansion clubs are sustained by the revenue they generate.
When the Sydney Swans were the only club to VFL play on a Sunday, the Swans sustained the VFL.
If the Swans had received 50% of the revenue generated they would have quickly become the most powerful club in Australia.
If the Swans had been allowed to build clubrooms adjacent to the SCG the Swans they would have become more powerful sooner
Instead the RL dominated SCG built a useless stadium next door.
Now they're compounding the stupidity by rebuilding virtually the same stadium.
Now the proposed clients are demanding the stadium facilitate a half-empty mode at the government's cost.

Sfs played host to NRL grand finals, state of origin, big socceroos games, bledisoe cup, concerts. Of course if your not from Sydney & thinks world revolves around afl...

 

[Pippen94]

Don’t deny we have around 6k members last year down there and Canberra pays a sponsorship deal. They don’t prop us up though.

AFL props us up.


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There is every chance Canberra members contribute more money to club. Most in Sydney would be free auskick or 3 game deal which cost club.

 

[Pippen94]

1.

It was publicly announced, for the first time, in late Sept.2019 what the additional 9th game pw was worth for the AFL:-

. $60m pa- from GWS CEO D. Matthews, to finance journalist J. Stanley on 2GB The Money Program
. $54m pa- from respected & award-winning journalist & author C. Le Grand, from The Australian; & P. Durkin, AFR journalist (both using AFL sources)

I believe these figures also include indirect benefits for the AFL, GWS & GC ie govt. funded stadia , private sponsorship for GWS & GC, boom in GR regd. AF players nos. & extra MSM coverage in NSW, ACT & Qld.

For details, refer to this link

A Third Team In Sydney - It's Only a Matter Of Time !!

I agree to an extent, but i reckon that a third team will eventually be on the cards, the big drawback is unlike Melbourne the third team will need its own stadium within its own demographic area. That would mean another partnership with cricket perhaps. Its a big stretch but the population...

www.bigfooty.com

Despite these financial benefits, the AFL will be concerned if payments continue for GC at c. $27.5m pa on an annual basis (or for another expansion club). It was always known that Qld. & NSW expansion clubs would require additional funding for c. 20 years.



2.
Agree.
The 3rd Sydney team will probably be a South Sydney Canberra combined team- perhaps in c. 2035, if GWS regularly has full houses at Homebush.
It will probably play 6 home games pa in SW Sydney, 5 in Canberra- plus 3 (?) Away games in Wollongong (sold to the Illawarra by an impecunious Melb. Club).



3. Recently "The Sydney Swans have spread out for school visits all over the harbour city...to the delight of thousands of students"

J. Amartey joined Sydney in 2018, & said

"Coming into what's my third year of school visits, I think compared to my first year, there would be close to double the amount of kids playing the game...I've seen first hand just how quickly footy in Sydney is growing".*

* GR AF club & school comp. nos. in Sydney have increased, but not doubled since 2018.

Amartey seeing huge growth of AFL first-hand

The Sydney Swans have spread out for school visits all over the harbour city, greeting assemblies, running footy clinics, signing autographs and taking snaps to the delight of thousands of students.

aflnswact.com.au

You giving new teams credit for bringing ninth game? Tasmania & NT could've done that. Gws doesn't move needle in Sydney

 

[Colonial]

You giving new teams credit for bringing ninth game? Tasmania & NT could've done that. Gws doesn't move needle in Sydney

Our preseason ratings are probably better than your clubs in season games.

 

[Colonial]

Take out finals & swans game and Canberra drew larger crowds

Not actually true. Giants stadium had the higher avg by about 200 to 300


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[HTT]

Not actually true. Giants stadium had the higher avg by about 200 to 300


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In 2019, average crowds at the Showgrounds excluding finals and swans games were 11,882. Average crowds were 11,884 at Canberra.
It's not big difference, it has qualifiers, but the poster is technically correct.

 

[Colonial]

In 2019, average crowds at the Showgrounds excluding finals and swans games were 11,882. Average crowds were 11,884 at Canberra.
It's not big difference, it has qualifiers, but the poster is technically correct.

Could of sworn it was higher at Showgrounds. Remember going through it.

Oh well. He still needs to worry more about his own club and sport than the constant tirades on here.


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[RedV3x]

Sfs played host to NRL grand finals, state of origin, big socceroos games, bledisoe cup, concerts.

Yes. That shows you just how small those games were. Even so the average crowd at SFS was in the teen thousands.

Of course if your not from Sydney & thinks world revolves around afl...

Of course, if you are a troll you'll continually resort to personal attacks rather than stick to the subject.
I am from Sydney you clown, if that makes any difference.

 

[RedV3x]

You giving new teams credit for bringing ninth game? Tasmania & NT could've done that.

Tasmania already watches AFL so it would be a case of an increase in ratings for that state.
Canberra also already watches AFL so it would be a case of an increase in ratings for that city
which would be only so much more than the increase in ratings due to GWS involvement.
Nothing matches the growth and potential growth of GWS.

 

[thegreig]

I actually disagree and have always thought that the 3+1 deal has hurt the club in Western Sydney.


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All the Canberra games should be played at Blacktown, focus should be on the suburbs of Western Sydney.
Nothing against the fans from Manuka I just think GWS (despite doing great work in the area) should put all their effort into the Sydney market.

I know this looks hypocritical as I’m a hawthorn supporter and we’re in Launceston, but we’re also 1 of 10 Victorian clubs. I’m also in favour of us leaving Tasmania so they can pursue their own club.

 

[RedV3x]

All the Canberra games should be played at Blacktown,

Most ridiculous statement I've ever heard.

 

[Rob]

Most ridiculous statement I've ever heard.

That's not ridiculous at all.

Short term it would be a financial hit, but it could result in long term benefit and greater engagement with the people GWS was set up to engage with. The main thing preventing it is that Blacktown really isn't set up to host AFL games. Not enough seats, not enough corporate facilities. So it's not really practical, but it's hardly ridiculous.

 

[Colonial]

Most ridiculous statement I've ever heard.

Yes and no.

Ridiculous in that there is no public transport and extremely limited parking.

No in that it would easily handle say the Suns game in the middle of the Easter show break.


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[RedV3x]

Yes and no.
Ridiculous in that there is no public transport and extremely limited parking.

Even though the stated capacity is 10k, the ground is full at 7k and has no facilities for a crowd.
It is so much quicker and easier to get to Homebush than Blacktown.

 

[Colonial]

Even though the stated capacity is 10k, the ground is full at 7k and has no facilities for a crowd.
It is so much quicker and easier to get to Homebush than Blacktown.

Except during the easter show we can’t use it.


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[RedV3x]

Short term it would be a financial hit.

How possibibly could it be a financial hit?

The main thing preventing it is that Blacktown really isn't set up to host AFL games. Not enough seats, not enough corporate facilities. So it's not really practical, but it's hardly ridiculous.

it's ridiculous to suggest Blacktown can host AFL games.
Blacktown is good for NEAFL games and the ADL International Cups.
Blacktown has a minute stand and a grassy bank and that is all.
Blacktown can only accomodate scratch matches because people have learnt not to go there.

it could result in long term benefit and greater engagement with the people GWS was set up to engage with.

Yes, that's why the NEAFL works so well at Blacktown.

 

[Rob]

How possibibly could it be a financial hit?

Because crowds would be less than Canberra, corporate income would be less than Canberra and they wouldn't get anything from the ACT government.

Are you suggesting it would be a financial gain?

it's ridiculous to suggest Blacktown can host AFL games.
Blacktown is good for NEAFL games and the ADL International Cups.
Blacktown has a minute stand and a grassy bank and that is all.
Blacktown can only accomodate scratch matches because people have learnt not to go there.

Not suggesting it's up to scratch - far from it, but the idea is creditable. It's hardly the most ridiculous idea, especially given it's a better venue than in Townsville that hosted a match for premiership points last year.

Yes, that's why the NEAFL works so well at Blacktown.

NEAFL doesn't work anywhere.

 

[thegreig]

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it's ridiculous to suggest Blacktown can host AFL games.
Blacktown is good for NEAFL games and the ADL International Cups.
Blacktown has a minute stand and a grassy bank and that is all.
Blacktown can only accomodate scratch matches because people have learnt not to go there.

I probably should have been more specific in my post, I meant a gradually move away from Canberra so the club can focus their efforts on Sydneys West. Ideally that would involve playing out of Blacktown during the Easter show at a AFL standard stadium around the 15k mark. I hadn’t taken public transport/ parking into consideration, but is Manukas situation any better?

 

[RedV3x]

I probably should have been more specific in my post, I meant a gradually move away from Canberra so the club can focus their efforts on Sydneys West.

That is a very sensible suggestion.
Continue doing what the AFL is doing now, by holding various Australian Football events at Blacktown and play AFL at Homebush.

 

[RedV3x]

Are you suggesting it would be a financial gain?

Ah, you say "financial hit" = "financial blow" not "financial boom".

Not suggesting it's up to scratch - far from it

it's a nice ground for Australian Football but it is ridiculous to suggest it for AFL premeirship games
when there are much better stadiums available.

it's a better venue than in Townsville that hosted a match for premiership points last year.

Riverway Stadium has higher capacity with a bigger bank, bigger stadium and more facilities.
Riverway Stadium looks like a nice venue very similar to Blacktown International Sports but slightly better as a venue
but Riverway stadium is the best AFL venue in Townsville. Blacktown International Sports is just a training venue for Sydney.

NEAFL doesn't work anywhere.

A very sweeping statement. In which way doesn't the NEAFL "doesn't work"?

 

[Mr north man]

All the Canberra games should be played at Blacktown, focus should be on the suburbs of Western Sydney.
Nothing against the fans from Manuka I just think GWS (despite doing great work in the area) should put all their effort into the Sydney market.

I know this looks hypocritical as I’m a hawthorn supporter and we’re in Launceston, but we’re also 1 of 10 Victorian clubs. I’m also in favour of us leaving Tasmania so they can pursue their own club.

Yes I believe Hawthorn can survive without Tasmania in 3 different ways.
1:Keep that EFT-Egotistical Footballing Terrorist-Kennett as President.
2:Keep the Pokies rolling in the $$$$
3:Keep signing up all the Lassie’s,Top Cats and Tweedy Birds as members.
With my club we need the double the $$$ we make out of Tasmania with upping the price of membership across the board plus with Starting up new fund raisers which I believe our new CEO is about to announce a Egg and Bacon Breakfast-a-thon with that bald dude from Masterchef to be Chief Judge to raise $$$ For the club.
BTW:Just a quick one doesn’t our CEO look like Viv Richards

 

[thegreig]

Yes I believe Hawthorn can survive without Tasmania in 3 different ways.
1:Keep that EFT-Egotistical Footballing Terrorist-Kennett as President.
2:Keep the Pokies rolling in the $$$$
3:Keep signing up all the Lassie’s,Top Cats and Tweedy Birds as members.
With my club we need the double the $$$ we make out of Tasmania with upping the price of membership across the board plus with Starting up new fund raisers which I believe our new CEO is about to announce a Egg and Bacon Breakfast-a-thon with that bald dude from Masterchef to be Chief Judge to raise $$$ For the club.
BTW:Just a quick one doesn’t our CEO look like Viv Richards

Well Jeff’s gone at the end of the season so that’s not going to happen. Moving games to Tassie was a great move at the time but I think its time move on, my main concern is how many members we might lose and wether we’ll pick up more Melbourne based fans, this is something GWS will also have to consider at some point but they also need Canberra for financial reasons for now.

 

[BringBackTorps]

Ch. 9 WWOS Freddy & The 8 TH program 27.3

A. Johns said

Re NRL season 2019, leading into early 2020 "...this year I could see a bigger difference between the elite & poor clubs, the clubs that were struggling, & how we come back from the suspension (2020 NRL season postponement or cancellation- my words) the gap is only going to get bigger...the stronger will get stronger, & the weak will get weaker. The best number is 12 teams for the competition...if you look at the juniors, there is less kids playing...so we'll always have the elite kids coming through, but there's less [elite] kids, so I think 12 is the best number (my emphases)".

https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/12-tea...65c9-4a8e-9b25-1fbc707d2c69?ocid=Social-NRLFS

B. Fittler did not dispute A. Johns' comment- in fact, in 2019 he stated he was against any NRL expansion above 16 teams- due to poor depth of talent in the NRL.

The long term significant decline in male contact RL regd. player nos. in Sydney, NSW, ACT & Qld. , & a reduction in Sydney-based NRL teams (if it eventuates), are both factors that will assist the long term addition of a 3rd AFL team in Sydney (& continue the growth of GR AF regd. player nos. in Sydney & NSW etc.).

 

[Johnny Bananas]

The best number is 12 teams for the competition...if you look at the juniors, there is less kids playing...so I think 12 is the best number (my emphases).

Which 12, I wonder. Obvious ins are Brisbane, North Queensland, Melbourne, Newcastle, New Zealand and Canberra. Let's assume they want to keep a second team in South Queensland, so either the Titans or Brisbane 2 are also in. That leaves 5 teams for Sydney.

Based on geography, if I were running things I'd have 2 teams at the SCG, 2 teams at WSS, and Penrith because they're a fair distance away from anyone else.