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At jury duty I noticed people dressed-up were challenged, yet, older people wearing casual jumpers were readily accepted. There was a certain type of person they were looking for.The quality of juries has been debated ever since they were first derived in the 11th century, when neighbourhood witnesses were called upon - sure, some of the modern day criticisms are often valid, but I'm not sure what would/should replace this form of perceived justice with a group of your 'peers' judging your guilt or innocence.
I was called once and on the way out the door to the preliminary selection I got a surprising call from an old family friend 'a former barrister' who had been told of this. "What are wearing" he asks. "Oh, do you want to be on this jury?" "No, not really", I respond. "OK, get back inside and change into your best suit, something you'd wear at a wedding or funeral and set your phone with alarm reminders every 15 minutes", he advises...
I was one of the first excluded in the selection process.
These days there's almost no chance of finding 12 people who have never heard of the case, never seen the tv reports, read the news, formed opinions. Even if people think they are capable of reaching "informed" opinion based on evidence, can consider reasonable doubt, and are impartial when it comes to race, will have preconceived ideas that they may not even be consciously aware of.The quality of juries has been debated ever since they were first derived in the 11th century, when neighbourhood witnesses were called upon - sure, some of the modern day criticisms are often valid, but I'm not sure what would/should replace this form of perceived justice with a group of your 'peers' judging your guilt or innocence.
I was called once and on the way out the door to the preliminary selection I got a surprising call from an old family friend 'a former barrister' who had been told of this. "What are wearing" he asks. "Oh, do you want to be on this jury?" "No, not really", I respond. "OK, get back inside and change into your best suit, something you'd wear at a wedding or funeral and set your phone with alarm reminders every 15 minutes", he advises...
I was one of the first excluded in the selection process.
Layman’s terms to me is that the judge even if they think you are guilty must apply the law at all times which can a benefit or a hinderance depending on the situation.These days there's almost no chance of finding 12 people who have never heard of the case, never seen the tv reports, read the news, formed opinions. Even if people think they are capable of reaching "informed" opinion based on evidence, can consider reasonable doubt, and are impartial when it comes to race, will have preconceived ideas that they may not even be consciously aware of.
My standard response if called onto Jury Duty...Like most of us, I've been called up for jury duty a couple of times, I noticed there were a lot of aged pensioners who attended. One of the jurors giggled when embarrassing matters were discussed. Another juror kept mentioning a different case where three men had been charged with rape and proven not guilty and when it came time to deliberate someone else sat on the fence, because he didn't have the courage to make a decision. When you think about it, it's probably mainly unemployed people who make up the majority of jurors which is not good for the public. I think much better with a judge only.
Like most of us, I've been called up for jury duty a couple of times, I noticed there were a lot of aged pensioners who attended. One of the jurors giggled when embarrassing matters were discussed. Another juror kept mentioning a different case where three men had been charged with rape and proven not guilty and when it came time to deliberate someone else sat on the fence, because he didn't have the courage to make a decision. When you think about it, it's probably mainly unemployed people who make up the majority of jurors which is not good for the public. I think much better with a judge only.
I have done Jury duty and all the people in my case had jobs , some had very good jobs...
I only know one person who has been called up for jury duty in the last new years. He was a director of a small consultancy. Highly educated and extremely intelligent.
Jurors get selected from the Electoral Role."When you think about it, it's probably mainly unemployed people who make up the majority of jurors which is not good for the public."
Hmm not sure about that.
Surely the chosen ones are employed!?
Jury duty in Western Australia
The jury system is an integral part of the judicial system and is coordinated by the Sheriff's Office in the Perth metropolitan area and the regions.www.wa.gov.au
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Mobile phone I think.I wonder what evidence they have that he actually took Cleo…
Could it be possible that Cleo was brought to his house?
I wonder what evidence they have that he actually took Cleo…
Could it be possible that Cleo was brought to his house?
Just giving the family some peace and privacy. What would there be to report?Radio silence. Reckon the police have told the media to STFU or just being tight lipped as they work thru a mountain of evidence ?
They'll have to make something up, or wildly exaggerate some trivia, to keep us clickingJust giving the family some peace and privacy. What would there be to report?
Once in a while there is a feel good article in the Bigfooty crime threads.
Cleo Smith’s parents in Perth to honour hero cops
Governor Kim Beazley has welcomed Cleo Smith’s parents to Government House to honour the heroic police officers responsible for rescuing their little girl.thewest.com.au
That is nice, and it is nice that the media seem to be showing the family some respect and letting them get on with their lives. Might be a different story when Kelly is in court, but hopefully they can get back some sort of normal to their lives. Kids are resilient, so hopefully with lots of love Cleo will move on too.
Yeah I am no child psychologist, I'm just hoping for the best for her and wish them all the best. Let's hope she is still young enough that she won't be affected too much.This is the calm before the storm I suspect, as the media will already have their "Monster in Court' headlines in draft and ready to publish..!
The real test for Cleo's phycology may come in a few years time, when she is around 7 or 8 and starts to realize/comprehend the actual gravity of the situation she was in..! That's when I think she'll really need the support of professional counselling.
At this moment in time if she believes it was all just a 'strange adventure', that's good for now, but that won't always be the case...
6 December is tomorrow.Kelly appeared before the Carnarvon Magistrates Court and did not apply for bail. The matter will return to court on 6 December 2021.