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Where did I say that??So you think that the Bratz doll collection was in some other house that he had nothing to do with?
His grandma/carer that he shared the duplex with only died in 2020.Its said that amongst the collection of dolls on the house, there were a number of cabinets with classic type collectable dolls .( Were grandma's)So you think that the Bratz doll collection was in some other house that he had nothing to do with?
Yep, but if your unemployed you probably have fewer reasons not to do itJurors get selected from the Electoral Role.
The doll collection was made up of older style Scottish collectable dolls, and others types that the gramda had collected .
What about the dolls I recall he was witnessed buying.The newer Bratz dolls were also a part of the collection
Well actually, he was arrested because a million dollar reward was offered E side they had no evidence or leads whatsoever.... Several members of the nearby nieghbourhood reported the sounds and visual sighting of child at his house..that's why he was arrested 18 days after she went missing..Or can you tell me why if they knew it was him that took this child why wait 18 days?! what was that about,??There were footprints around the tent apparently, it was in the press. This was evidence that went towards clearing the parents of involvement. To this point though, we don't know if there is any DNA on the tent zipper or for example any of Cleo's DNA in vehicles Kelly had access to.
It's no small thing to find a 4yo child that was abducted from a tent and has been missing for 18 days, in a locked room in a man's house and wearing nappies. That's why he was arrested.
What about the dolls I recall he was witnessed buying.
Was he buying those for his grandma, himself, or was it a shared collection?
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Well common sense would tell me if he bought anything after the grannie died, it would be for himself.
Plea deal? He's yet to give motive or reasoning, I highly doubt hell except a plea deal and of he did, it would most likely be be a lesser charge as the police had absolutely zero forensic evidence that puts him at the camp sight at all.Appatetly he left not even a footprint let alone DNA or anything credible to suggest that he was there.
Now couple that with the thourough search of his residence, still nothing was found that the AIC considers as tell tail signs he was a pefofile and intended to use Cleo to sexually assualt.
Things a pedofile usually has
1.No images or pedofilia related pornograpgy was found in the house.
2.No evidence Terrence Kelly was part of a network or groups usually sought after by pedofiles.
3.After almost 3 weeks in his care, there was no attempted sexual violations against Cleo, in fact she seemed happy and unharmed.
It will be interesting to see what comes from further court appearances and what evidence the DPp have
Probably..It will turn out just the way the system wants I think with this one.Although I'd of expected some sort of brief of evidence presented to his legal aid solicitor, he has to know what charges he's pleading too surely .Some valid points, but your forgetting TK and Cleo's location were not discovered by chance, so I seriously doubt he or his legal counsel will contest the two charges. The fact that he did not harm Cleo is definitely in his favour.
And the Plea deal I'm referring to would be focused around arguments from the defense related to TK's rehabilitation, not incarceration. i.e. 5 years at Graylands Hospital vs 10 years in Casuarina prison.
Some valid points, but your forgetting TK and Cleo's location were not discovered by chance, so I seriously doubt he or his legal counsel will contest the two charges. The fact that he did not harm Cleo is definitely in his favour.
And the Plea deal I'm referring to would be focused around arguments from the defense related to TK's rehabilitation, not incarceration. i.e. 5 years at Graylands Hospital vs 10 years in Casuarina prison.
It's all public knowledge of you look.How do you know all this?
DNA is only useful if you can compare it
DNA comparison is also used to eliminate people along with DNA mitocondrial sequencing to get close relatives..
Unless your sayi g the police did go d DMA but unsuccessfully unmatched,? & where was it found?
But in this case, Cleo Smith home was secured and her own DNA was taken
The alledged kidnapper had some prior matters with police and his DNA was on record.
Im sort youv suffered the effects of earlier trauma.When I read comments from people (not just on this forum) that Cleo was not harmed, it not only annoys me, it offends me.
I have C-PTSD from childhood trauma and have met many others along the way. Some were victims of sexual abuse and others were not, but they all suffered the effects of their trauma.
I'm sure I'd meet the criteria from some of these people that my trauma was particularly bad due to the nature of it.
But my trauma doesn't trump someone else's trauma. And the bits that tend to make others uncomfortable, were not the worst of it for me.
We don't know what happened in that house and whether she was abused in some way or not.
But lets assume she was not abused. CS was still harmed. She was taken from her parents by a stranger and often left alone in a locked room in a locked house.
Hopefully she is well supported and any effects are not lifelong, but if people around her minimise her experience like some people on social media do, then her prognosis might not be so positive.
Well actually, he was arrested because doectoblackbof any evidence, DNA, any leads, a Million dollar reward was offered .Several members of the nearby nieghbourhood reported the sounds and visual sighting of child at his house..that's why he was arrested 18 days after she went missing..Or can you tell me why if they knew it was him that took this child why wait 18 days?! what was that about,??
Good point,where granny last lived and where they found Cleo are different houses on opposite sides of town.So you think that the Bratz doll collection was in some other house that he had nothing to do with?
What about the dolls I recall he was witnessed buying.
Was he buying those for his grandma, himself, or was it a shared collection?
We have a dedicated media thread here, there are a lot of articles which detail what led the police to Kelly and carry interviews with the neighbours. It appears the police have placed Kelly at the campsite via his mobile phone.
Current - 4yo Cleo Smith Abduction - MEDIA FILES - *No discussion
https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cleo-smith/cleo-smith-found-pictured-accused-kidnapper-terence-darrell-kelly-boarding-flight-from-carnarvon-to-perth-c-4444145www.bigfooty.com
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[/QUOh I didn't know he left his phone behind or it was traced to his phone..wow..
I've got an app on .y mine that does that in 30 minutes..How come they waited 18 days. weeks?
Sure your not referring to the collection of data from around that time and area they applied for after be was caught,?
Either way, data from a satellite, a server or any other mobile tower and his solicitor could argue that some one else had his phone..It's not evidence.
Ibe read other credible articles that stated that is the house that he shared previously with the women that raised him.Good point,where granny last lived and where they found Cleo are different houses on opposite sides of town.
Pretty sure TK has been in jail before so fair chance cops had his DNA.
All of it. Maybe they're assumptions?Know all what. What part
He had the girl at his home, so without a reasonable argument being put up by his defence to dispute it TK will be found guilty (beyond reasonable doubt) of taking her from the camp. Defence will need evidence to show it was someone else. I'm betting they won't have that but if they do good on them.Footprints mayb9f been found but no DNA. Nothing.If there was anything to connect anyone to the campsight the police would of had a valid supsect within days .Forensic testing is extremely fast these days.
I'm just going off things scientific facts, evidence that can be tested..An unknown footprint, could be anyone.
He might also have other charges that are suppressed. His sentence should be a clue when that's finally handed down.Umm not sure why you have quoted me here, all I mentioned was legal representation.
In regards to what you have posted, unfortunately none of us know what evidence Police have. We don't know what sort of crime was committed in those 18 day's. TK has 2 charges and 1 charge we don't even know what that relates to. I don't have the privilege of looking at Police Files, so I can only go off what media say and post my opinion.
But your post seems to be stating FACTS, which unfortunately there isn't many of those at the moment, simply because it's only early day's with TK's brief court appearances.
All of it. Maybe they're assumptions?
He had the girl at his home, so without a reasonable argument being put up by his defence to dispute it TK will be found guilty (beyond reasonable doubt) of taking her from the camp. Defence will need evidence to show it was someone else. I'm betting they won't have that but if they do good on them.
I wonder if he has given his story to the police or is staying quiet on legal advice. He gives the impression he likes attention - the wink, for example. So he may have already made admissions. But the police must be thorough and gather every bit of evidence they can. A mistrial would be a disaster.Moreover, I suggest if a missing child was found in a locked room in my house after 18 days, I'm not sure supporting DNA, footprints or any other technical evidence against me would really be my main concern..?
I could be wrong, but a plausible explanation and/or a verifiable alibi on the other hand would be top of my list - and even in the unlikely event these have some validity, I'm confident Dennis Denuto could represent the prosecution in this case and still get a conviction..!
I’m not sure he winked , I think the sun was in his eyes.I wonder if he has given his story to the police or is staying quiet on legal advice. He gives the impression he likes attention - the wink, for example. So he may have already made admissions. But the police must be thorough and gather every bit of evidence they can. A mistrial would be a disaster.
Im sort youv suffered the effects of earlier trauma.
It's true trauma can't be wieghed or compared between victims.In Cleo's case saying she was harmed, that was after she'd been taken to hospital, fully examined.It was reported in media that the parents had access to the best child psychologist if and when Cleo showed any signs of mental trauma..
There are well know instances when a child can truly not be effected in a tramatic way ie,; she may well of been upset and anxious, bit not to a degree where it will stay with her.To date she's said to be copi.grstay well as if she'd just been away for a few weeks..Let's hope she does t have permanent trauma.Its nothing be offended by ,it's more about him I think when they bring that up
'He was recently charged with assaulting a public officer on November 4, which was the same day he made his first court appearance in Carnarvon.'Cleo Smith’s alleged abductor accused of assaulting officer after arrest
Cleo Smith’s alleged abductor, Terence Kelly, has been charged with assaulting a public officer the day after the four-year-old’s dramatic rescue from his Carnarvon home in WA’s north.www.smh.com.au
'Police declined to comment about the charge when asked by NCA NewsWire on Monday.
It is not known whether the charge relates to an alleged assault on a prison or police officer, or anyone else who falls under the offence.'
Outrage as Nine network pays more than $2m for Cleo Smith interview
'The Nine Network has paid more than $2m for an exclusive interview with the parents of kidnapped four-year-old Cleo Smith, a record in Australian television, which is likely to outrage shareholders.
The plan is for the interviews with the family to appear on the networks’ news and current affairs flagship 60 Minutes, with possible spin-offs to the Nine newspapers and talk of a six-part special for Stan.
It is understood the deal involves filming with not only the toddler’s mother, Ellie Smith, and stepfather, Jake Giddon, but also Cleo herself.'