Traded Adam Cerra traded to Carlton for pick #6 and F3

[s_wd6]

Champion Data? Come on..

He wasn't even the best midfielder from your own team this year, let alone the whole league.

I mean the two midfielders better than him over the whole year made the AA squad. As did he. And all three finished top 15 in coaches votes. In his first year playing midfield.

CD has their own metric to rate players, but it’s not like its alone in rating him highly

 

[branedotorg]

HY was my favourite player in his draft year, huge fan still.

He'll be freo's best player next year.

 

[T2B_]

Worth taking into account that it was Young’s first year as a midfielder.

But honestly this whole Cerra thing is just recency bias. He was a good player for us, probably didn’t explode as much as expected, but his 2023 was very good.

I still wouldn’t pick him over Amiss or Young, but it’s far from a bust for Carlton. He’s a good player and will be a good player for you guys if he sorts out those hamstrings. Genuinely think it’s a win win

Oh yeah, there's even quite a few Blues fans that have forgotten how good Cerra can be. Recency bias is huge around BF.

 

[madjoe]

wasn't carlton linked to cerra pre draft but Dow looked a safe bet so went that way then reached at pick 10 for O'brien, oooof

 

[Trav 20]

For the Dockers? Sure.

No, in general.

Stars are never guaranteed in the top 5 of a ND, but every club is hoping.

He isn't and never will be a ''star''.

He'll end up an OK pick 5, but nothing more. For me, disappointing. Others can please themselves.

 

[T2B_]

He isn't and never will be a ''star''.

Do you have the lotto numbers for me too while you're at it?

He has all the tools and talent to be a star, we're not talking superstar here. Just a matter of how he goes injury-wise.

 

[Trav 20]

Do you have the lotto numbers for me too while you're at it?

He has all the tools and talent to be a star, we're not talking superstar here. Just a matter of how he goes injury-wise.

I am.

 

[T2B_]

I am.

I guess I consider star and superstar to be two different rungs.

 

[Jeremias]

He'll end up an OK pick 5, but nothing more. For me, disappointing. Others can please themselves.

Cool. I dare say most would disagree with you in general, but to each their own.

There aren't many 250 game players in each draft pool, if you pick one and label them a disappointment, I reckon you've got unrealistic expectations of the draft.

 

[Trav 20]

I guess I consider star and superstar to be two different rungs.

Fair enough.

I used the term ''bona fide star'', which I thought may have explained what I was referencing.

The term star is bandied about way too often, so I understand your view.

I'm probably being a tad unfair, because lots of top 5 picks are not superstars, but when you get a top 5 pick that's what you should be hoping for.

 

[Paracleet]

He is neither a bona fide star nor an average player: He is very good. An A minus player. You might trade pick 6 for a young inside mid hoping they'll end up a star of the comp, but if you instead you end up with a Cerra level player you've hit median expectation imv.

 

[freo_leo29]

Young definitely improved this year, but shit the bed in the final 2 games when the pressure was on. I think Freo fans really overrate him.

He literally played with a broken leg lol

 

[branedotorg]

wasn't carlton linked to cerra pre draft but Dow looked a safe bet so went that way then reached at pick 10 for O'brien, oooof

Other way around, Cerra the safe bet, Dow the bottom aged high risk/reward pick.

(I wanted LDU though)

 

[craffles]

There’s no way he comes good after this many hammies. Even if he can get on the park he’ll never get back to what he was (a seriously vanilla and overrated mid) let alone becoming a decent player.

Dokers have bent the Bloops over massively here, bout time they won a trade. PS thanks for taking Adam McPhee

Adam Mcphee

Age

42

Ht

190cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.1

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.0

5star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

10.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.2

3star

, Dean Solomon

Dean Solomon

Age

44

Ht

189cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

5.5

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

17.6

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

2.8

5star

, Mark Johnson

Mark Johnson

Age

46

Ht

179cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

9.9

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

14.0

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.2

3star

, Travis Colyer

33

Travis Colyer

Age

33

Ht

173cm

Wt

74kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

9.1

4star

HB

5.7

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.6

4star

D

9.5

2star

K

6.7

3star

HB

2.8

2star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.3

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

16.8

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

2.2

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

0.0

1star

, Scott Gumbleton

Scott Gumbleton

Age

36

Ht

197cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.0

3star

K

5.8

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

, Kepler Bradley and Patrick Voss off the dons lol.

 

[s_wd6]

There’s no way he comes good after this many hammies. Even if he can get on the park he’ll never get back to what he was (a seriously vanilla and overrated mid) let alone becoming a decent player.

Dokers have bent the Bloops over massively here, bout time they won a trade. PS thanks for taking Adam McPhee, Dean Solomon, Mark Johnson, Travis Colyer, Scott Gumbleton, Kepler Bradley and Patrick Voss off the dons lol.

You’re welcome for Patrick Voss I guess?

 

[craffles]

You’re welcome for Patrick Voss I guess?

I suppose we already delisted him so doesn’t count. He still has time and has some attributes….

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

There’s no way he comes good after this many hammies. Even if he can get on the park he’ll never get back to what he was (a seriously vanilla and overrated mid) let alone becoming a decent player.

Dokers have bent the Bloops over massively here, bout time they won a trade. PS thanks for taking Adam McPhee, Dean Solomon, Mark Johnson, Travis Colyer, Scott Gumbleton, Kepler Bradley and Patrick Voss off the dons lol.

Thanks for some decent players I guess? If you think those names were bad you're going to have to read up on Freo trading. Everyone of the those names bar Gumbleton have been good players for us...

 

[craffles]

Thanks for some decent players I guess? If you think those names were bad you're going to have to read up on Freo trading. Everyone of the those names bar Gumbleton have been good players for us...

I watched their careers at Freo after they left Essendon as well. I’ll respectfully disagree (McPhee was not the first stint at Freo McPhee)

 

[Johnny Bananas]

A disappointing pick 5.

His best year might be ''very good'', but with a top 5 draft pick you're hoping to nail a bona fide ''star''.

So not a terrible pick 5, but for me a disappointing pick 5.

Not all drafts are the same. Some have five prospects that are considered likely to become superstars, some have more, some have less, some have none. Even at the time, 2017 was considered a weak draft at the top end, so the expectations should be set lower. Whereas I'd be much more disappointed if my club didn't draft a superstar in the first eight picks in 2018, who were all considered elite prospects.

 

[Lach72]

I watched their careers at Freo after they left Essendon as well. I’ll respectfully disagree (McPhee was not the first stint at Freo McPhee)

McPhee was very good second time around.
I’m a bit dirty he retired before 2013…probably would’ve controlled Breust or Gunston for us

 

[craffles]

McPhee was very good second time around.
I’m a bit dirty he retired before 2013…probably would’ve controlled Breust or Gunston for us

Maybe I’m biased by how putrid he was in the first game he played for Fremantle against us. I remember him spraying absolutely everything and copping it from dons fans.

He was an incredibly frustrating footballer to watch at Essendon. His best was absolutely mesmerising and included hangers, taking the game on etc (hence the All Australian) but his worst was absolutely diabolical and resulted in game losing turnover after turnover.

Just looked up his wiki, ended up playing 220 games and retired with a year to go on his freo contract. Better than I thought to be honest

 

[Trav 20]

Not all drafts are the same. Some have five prospects that are considered likely to become superstars, some have more, some have less, some have none. Even at the time, 2017 was considered a weak draft at the top end, so the expectations should be set lower. Whereas I'd be much more disappointed if my club didn't draft a superstar in the first eight picks in 2018, who were all considered elite prospects.

Yep, I agree.

There's definitely luck when it comes to drafts.

 

[RonnieRaven]

I watched their careers at Freo after they left Essendon as well. I’ll respectfully disagree (McPhee was not the first stint at Freo McPhee)

Colyer was great for the group
Like Wilson I have massive respect for their time at Freo

 

[craffles]

Colyer was great for the group
Like Wilson I have massive respect for their time at Freo

Fair enough then, looks like I was a bit too harsh. Happy to be wrong for the players sakes, all were good blokes.