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[muff73]

My Problem with the whole booing saga is that I boo Joel Selwood for the EXACT same reason that I boo Goodes and that is that in my opinion, they both dish out the dirty stuff, but go down, arms flailing, like shot by a high calibre sniper rifle, when they cop it back.

Now because I'm half Asian, I can't boo Selwood, because it could be perceived as being racist as I'm of a different background and race. I mean surely it is, because that's the assumption when I boo Goodes?

If I hear anyone booing Sam Mitchell at the next game and they aren't Anglo Saxon, I'll be walking straight to them and accusing them of being racist, right? Not because they think he leads with his knees.

Sorry, I know the point has been made a million times before, but people boo him for a lot of reasons, but from the people I know, it's because he's a very unsportsman like player, who gets looked after by the umps (2 Brownlows later) just like Selwood does. The only reason the whole thing has escalated is because the media and now coaches are going around calling everyone that does it a racist, just makes people feel more 'entitled to boo', (rightly or wrongly), as if to say, "I'm not booing because of race, I'm booing because you can't tell me what I can or can't do because the Government does enough of that".

Going to the extremely naive assumption that they did that in good faith, it's backfired terribly, but my assumption is it was because it was a story and we're sick of reading about Essendon and drugs. I don't doubt that he probably is feeling effected by it now, but he can thank the media for whipping up a frenzy and writing about nothing else.

Just my opinion, not looking to start an argument.

 

[Flag08]

I find that offensive and ask mods to communicate with you

I find people calling Goodes Adam as if they know him personally offensive myself and I'd ask the mods not to communicate with you. Ever. No one likes a dobber.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

I am clearly not arguing that dichotomy. I am saying that the whole debate is pointless. It has lost touch and probably was never connected to the cause of the booing. And given the booing has escalated to a ridiculous point the only outcomes now are continued escalation or everyone walks away. In my view everyone is better off walking away.

I agree with this but the media etc. need to drop it too. I didn't actually mind Gill's comments because he said two sensible things; he can't tell people what to do, he can't say the booing is racist... he also said he would like it to stop because people are getting upset. So his comments were like a truce. Unfortunately others are not being so conciliatory therefore I suspect the booing may continue.

 

[mainehawk]

I find people calling Goodes Adam as if they know him personally offensive myself and I'd ask the mods not to communicate with you. Ever. No one likes a dobber.[/QUOTE

Juvenile...... this is becomming an echo chamber...the same old.... the same old ....ad infinitum

 

[Gralin]

I agree with this but the media etc. need to drop it too. I didn't actually mind Gill's comments because he said two sensible things; he can't tell people what to do, he can't say the booing is racist... he also said he would like it to stop because people are getting upset. So his comments were like a truce. Unfortunately others are not being so conciliatory therefore I suspect the booing may continue.

And the end result is we now have people booing Goodes because they have been asked not to boo Goodes and that is their justification.
Does that sound like rational or fair behavior?
I think what Gil said below nails most of the issue fairly well and I don't think it's that unreasonable to be asking for a cease fire
"Racism has no place in our game, and while I respect that people may have different views about what is happening to Adam, it is impossible to separate this issue from the issue of race.

"The booing of Adam Goodes is being felt as racism by him and by many in our football community and as such, I urge our supporters to understand the toll this is having, the message it is sending, and that it does not reflect well on our game.

 

[savagelunchbox]

A lot of defending of the boos going on in here. Seems rather pointless. Would anyone actually post that they boo him because he's Aboriginal? Think about it before you post your self-defending reasons.

 

[Hawkinspired]

My Problem with the whole booing saga is that I boo Joel Selwood for the EXACT same reason that I boo Goodes and that is that in my opinion, they both dish out the dirty stuff, but go down, arms flailing, like shot by a high calibre sniper rifle, when they cop it back.

Now because I'm half Asian, I can't boo Selwood, because it could be perceived as being racist as I'm of a different background and race. I mean surely it is, because that's the assumption when I boo Goodes?

If I hear anyone booing Sam Mitchell at the next game and they aren't Anglo Saxon, I'll be walking straight to them and accusing them of being racist, right? Not because they think he leads with his knees.

Sorry, I know the point has been made a million times before, but people boo him for a lot of reasons, but from the people I know, it's because he's a very unsportsman like player, who gets looked after by the umps (2 Brownlows later) just like Selwood does. The only reason the whole thing has escalated is because the media and now coaches are going around calling everyone that does it a racist, just makes people feel more 'entitled to boo', (rightly or wrongly), as if to say, "I'm not booing because of race, I'm booing because you can't tell me what I can or can't do because the Government does enough of that".

Going to the extremely naive assumption that they did that in good faith, it's backfired terribly, but my assumption is it was because it was a story and we're sick of reading about Essendon and drugs. I don't doubt that he probably is feeling effected by it now, but he can thank the media for whipping up a frenzy and writing about nothing else.

Just my opinion, not looking to start an argument.

Nail. Hammer. Head.

The media, Robbo in particular have created this.

 

[muff73]

A lot of defending of the boos going on in here. Seems rather pointless. Would anyone actually post that they boo him because he's Aboriginal? Think about it before you post your self-defending reasons.

People are posting self defending reasons because they're being accused of being racist when they are not.

Self defense is a very natural human nature.

 

[Gralin]

People are posting self defending reasons because they're being accused of being racist when they are not.

Self defense is a very natural human nature.

It's gotten to the point where Goodes may not be playing this weekend and people are saying but I can still boo him because its not racist. Who cares if its racist or not, the guy is being booed off the field now, do we really want to end someones career instead of stopping?

That's where this could be heading, what does that say to kids watching this happen?

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

A lot of defending of the boos going on in here. Seems rather pointless. Would anyone actually post that they boo him because he's Aboriginal? Think about it before you post your self-defending reasons.

Well according to Goodes, the Swans, the Media and the AFL anyone who dislikes Goodes is racist and has hurt Adam and therefore it needs to stop. I felt racially abused by the spear chucking war dance... if others do too then surely this must stop?

 

[Flag08]

It's gotten to the point where Goodes may not be playing this weekend and people are saying but I can still boo him because its not racist. Who cares if its racist or not, the guy is being booed off the field now, do we really want to end someones career instead of stopping?

That's where this could be heading, what does that say to kids watching this happen?

It might say if you're going to be a nob in public there's a fair chance you'll get booed. Don't do it kids.

 

[mainehawk]

People are posting self defending reasons because they're being accused of being racist when they are not.

Self defense is a very natural human nature.

Well according to Goodes, the Swans, the Media and the AFL anyone who dislikes Goodes is racist and has hurt Adam and therefore it needs to stop. I felt racially abused by the spear chucking war dance... if others do too then surely this must stop?

we are in someone else's country... in case you didn't know....we are the immigrants in this land....never forget

 

[muff73]

It's gotten to the point where Goodes may not be playing this weekend and people are saying but I can still boo him because its not racist. Who cares if its racist or not, the guy is being booed off the field now, do we really want to end someones career instead of stopping?

That's where this could be heading, what does that say to kids watching this happen?

That's a fair point. I was just explaining why I booed certain players (incl Goodes), but frankly I can't be bothered anymore for the label it attracts and so that the media can move on. I also did note in my original post that he's being effected by it, just that the media has had it's part to play in escalating what was happening rather than helping it.

we are in someone else's country... in case you didn't know....we are the immigrants in this land....never forget

Really? You're going to go there?

 

[Brishawk]

It might say if you're going to be a nob in public there's a fair chance you'll get booed. Don't do it kids.

Not saying you are racist but bulling people into being quiet isn't exactly out of the tolerant citizens handbook.

 

[Gralin]

It might say if you're going to be a nob in public there's a fair chance you'll get booed. Don't do it kids.

It also might say if you don't agree with someone then get all your mates together and just yell at them until they go away

 

[mainehawk]

That's a fair point. I was just explaining why I booed certain players (incl Goodes), but frankly I can't be bothered anymore for the label it attracts and so that the media can move on. I also did note in my original post that he's being effected by it, just that the media has had it's part to play in escalating what was happening rather than helping it.

Really? You're going to go there?

go where exactly? Explain yourself.

 

[mainehawk]

"What a redneck wonderland footy has become.

Every weekend, somewhere in Australia, Adam Goodes steps out onto a footy field.

Simultaneously, an army of gutless drongos get ready to express their contempt for him, hiding anonymously in the choir of clowns who boo his every step.
Hey, bigots, don't get me wrong.

I defend your right to express your unfathomable sense of outrage and injustice. It must burn long and deep. Probably over the spiralling price of a pie at the footy or the quality of the rubbish beer your force yourself to drink whilst acting like obnoxious school kids.

Your worries and concerns must weigh heavily on your poor benighted souls. So knock yourselves out. Boo away. At least have the courage though to admit what it is.

Racism.

Naked, loud, contemptible, pathetic and unashamed.

None of this crap about Goodes staging for free kicks, being a "sniper" or sweet talking the umpires is the reason for the booing.

Don't use football as shield for your prejudice..."

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[DrEvil_]

It's pretty sad that Goodes has withdrawn for the week. I'd rather have him there so I can boo him and he can do a Cantana and give the opposition fans a giant f*** you. Politics killing sports.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Neutral at the game, personally i dont think it was overall racial however a few WCE fans shouted some disgraceful things. A few of them got told to pull their head in or else it would be smacked off by a couple of the fans.

Now Not all WCE fans are scum, Just most of them. Good demographic of 35-55 year olds who are stuck in their shit era where you could slag off people like that, Most people who were telling the older blokes (i liked the spear chucker comments, absolute class) had some of the younger blokes in the crowd tell them it was appauling.

 

[Off The Couch]

It's disappointing that a 2 x Brownlow medalist, 2 x premiership player, club fairest and best winner and All Australian has been bullied out of the game just because people don't like that he has had the occasional brain fade and sniped players - lets hope that the next one isn't a hawk player who cops the same level of vitriol

 

[Procrastinator35]

It's disappointing that a 2 x Brownlow medalist, 2 x premiership player, club fairest and best winner and All Australian has been bullied out of the game just because people don't like that he has had the occasional brain fade and sniped players - lets hope that the next one isn't a hawk player who cops the same level of vitriol

Sam Mitchell says Hi.

 

[QuietB]

we are in someone else's country... in case you didn't know....we are the immigrants in this land....never forget

Aren't we all immigrants from the same origin?

 

[JoeHawk]

I know your having a bit of fun, however, I'll humor you.

1. A dichotomy is a partition of a whole (or a set) into two parts (subsets) that are: jointly exhaustive: everything must belong to one part or the other, and. mutually exclusive: nothing can belong simultaneously to both parts.

No. I was serious. Now my head hurts.

 

[mainehawk]

Sam Mitchell says Hi.

echo chamber

 

[cryptor]

I've said many times before that I don't boo him but I will defend the right for those who do choose to for what they believe are not racial reasons.

It's escalated in the last few hours to the point where Goodes is actually a fair chance of missing a game due to what he claims is hurt experienced from what he is interpreting as racially motivated booing.

I've given those who boo the benefit of the doubt that it isn't racially motivated. I still do. But despite thinking Goodes is a massive flog of a person I will still give him the benefit of the doubt that he is genuinely interpreting the booing of him as racially motivated attacks on him and that it is affecting him to the point of missing training sessions and possibly a game.

People can be stubborn and say they'll continue to boo because when they do it it isn't racially motivated. This may be true of you but it may not be of others who boo and it's certainly not going to be the view of many of those around you at the game.

Gerard Whateley made a good point earlier on AFL360: knowing what we do now about how this is affecting Goodes, is it really worth what people are saying the reasons they are booing for (flog, diver, sniper, arrogant, selfish, etc, etc) to make a fellow human being feel that way? I don't think so. And I won't actively defend the booing any longer for that reason. I won't condemn it either but I do think anyone who does plan on booing consider that question before doing so.