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[mainehawk]

Aren't we all immigrants from the same origin?

Do you mean out of Africa.....seriously?...

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

All I have to add to this overblown situation is - any sportsman should think twice about deliberately bringing politics into sport. They need to remember that the wind can blow in both directions.

 

[Xtreme]

I will still boo!

 

[JoeHawk]

This topic is getting me down

 

[QuietB]

Do you mean out of Africa.....seriously?...

Yes. how do you solve racism when we keep creating division. We are all either equal or we aren't

 

[Great 2008]

It's gotten to the point where Goodes may not be playing this weekend and people are saying but I can still boo him because its not racist. Who cares if its racist or not, the guy is being booed off the field now, do we really want to end someones career instead of stopping?

That's where this could be heading, what does that say to kids watching this happen?

Yeah Mitchell is about to walk away from the game for being booed and branded a kneer…….give me a break. Goodes should get on with it. My line of work has seen me abused constantly and I don't get paid hundreds of thousand of dollars to be put off my game.

I recall getting harassed by phone on regular basis at one point in time. I gave the caller my address and told him I had a coldy in the fridge if he wanted to come round and have a friendly discussion. Guess what phone the stopped ringing. A bit of good natured humility would not do Goodes any harm.

 

[Great 2008]

"What a redneck wonderland footy has become.

Every weekend, somewhere in Australia, Adam Goodes steps out onto a footy field.

Simultaneously, an army of gutless drongos get ready to express their contempt for him, hiding anonymously in the choir of clowns who boo his every step.
Hey, bigots, don't get me wrong.

I defend your right to express your unfathomable sense of outrage and injustice. It must burn long and deep. Probably over the spiralling price of a pie at the footy or the quality of the rubbish beer your force yourself to drink whilst acting like obnoxious school kids.

Your worries and concerns must weigh heavily on your poor benighted souls. So knock yourselves out. Boo away. At least have the courage though to admit what it is.

Racism.

Naked, loud, contemptible, pathetic and unashamed.

None of this crap about Goodes staging for free kicks, being a "sniper" or sweet talking the umpires is the reason for the booing.

Don't use football as shield for your prejudice..."

Have a read - sound like you?

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My wife is indigenous and I will boo who I think deserves it.

 

[mainehawk]

Yes. how do you solve racism when we keep creating division. We are all either equal or we aren't

Equality is not sameness. Two cultures can be different and yet still equal, two people can have different abilities or talents and yet still be equal etc etc. So what are you trying to say?

 

[Procrastinator35]

I've said many times before that I don't boo him but I will defend the right for those who do choose to for what they believe are not racial reasons.

It's escalated in the last few hours to the point where Goodes is actually a fair chance of missing a game due to what he claims is hurt experienced from what he is interpreting as racially motivated booing.

I've given those who boo the benefit of the doubt that it isn't racially motivated. I still do. But despite thinking Goodes is a massive flog of a person I will still give him the benefit of the doubt that he is genuinely interpreting the booing of him as racially motivated attacks on him and that it is affecting him to the point of missing training sessions and possibly a game.

People can be stubborn and say they'll continue to boo because when they do it it isn't racially motivated. This may be true of you but it may not be of others who boo and it's certainly not going to be the view of many of those around you at the game.

Gerard Whateley made a good point earlier on AFL360: knowing what we do now about how this is affecting Goodes, is it really worth what people are saying the reasons they are booing for (flog, diver, sniper, arrogant, selfish, etc, etc) to make a fellow human being feel that way? I don't think so. And I won't actively defend the booing any longer for that reason. I won't condemn it either but I do think anyone who does plan on booing consider that question before doing so.

So just on a point of principle crypt....Does that stance extend to every other player who is booed?....Just aboriginal players?....Or only Goodes?

If only for Goodes, then what exactly is the point of difference?.....And yes, I am inferring reverse specific racism & preciousness of biblical proportions.

 

[play2win]

My wife is indigenous and I will boo who I think deserves it.

How often does she deserve it though?

 

[Gralin]

Sam Mitchell says Hi.

If he keeps copping the boos and they escalate like Goodes have then I think we would have a case for asking whether the AFL/media are going to stand up for Sam.
I don't think it's anywhere near that point yet but I still don't like it. I don't mind booing a bad decision or act when it happens but I'm not a fan of booing every set shot a team has or a player every time they touch the ball.
I understand not everyone thinks the way I do, I accept that people at a footy match will go further than I would and most of the time it's fair play.

You can't condone the booing of Goodes and say the booing of Mitchell is no good though

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

Sure i was annoyed by Goodes awhile after he dragged the swans over the line in the '12 grand final but seeing how its affecting him its really time people grow up and cut the bs booing out.
Bullying and doing it just for a reaction is very un australian.
If your one of those that will do it just cos people have said to stop really should just grow the **** up.

And what about Mitchell?
Or Milne?
Or Lloyd?
Or Harvey?
Or Cloke?

Goodes gets a free pass, or do we ban booing on all players?

 

[Gralin]

Yeah Mitchell is about to walk away from the game for being booed and branded a kneer…….give me a break. Goodes should get on with it. My line of work has seen me abused constantly and I don't get paid hundreds of thousand of dollars to be put off my game.

I recall getting harassed by phone on regular basis at one point in time. I gave the caller my address and told him I had a coldy in the fridge if he wanted to come round and have a friendly discussion. Guess what phone the stopped ringing. A bit of good natured humility would not do Goodes any harm.

Not everyone deals.with issues the same. Workplace bullying, school yard bullying, some people brush it off some are damaged some hurt themselves or worse
Saying harden up or f off is exactly the attitude that has led in the past to people taking their own lives or others.

I would have hoped that supporters of a club sponsored by beyond blue and after the Mitch Clarke discussions on this board people would start to show a little more tolerance for these sorts of issues

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

It's gotten to the point where Goodes may not be playing this weekend and people are saying but I can still boo him because its not racist. Who cares if its racist or not, the guy is being booed off the field now, do we really want to end someones career instead of stopping?

That's where this could be heading, what does that say to kids watching this happen?

Last year he said he liked it and made him play better.

Should have thought about his response.

Add liar to the reason he is booed.

 

[QuietB]

Equality is not sameness. Two cultures can be different and yet still equal, two people can have different abilities or talents and yet still be equal etc etc. So what are you trying to say?

Where did I say anything about sameness? You stated that we are in someone else's country. I cannot see how that is productive in any way. Sure we have to respect their culture. And where possible we must right the wrongs of the past. But I didn't choose to be here, I just am. Same with Adam Goodes. That is the reality we need to move forward with but instead we are still creating division.

 

[B&GBlood]

have a listen to KB whinge about Hodge ffs.

this old campaigner has sniped us all year

What was KB saying re Hodge?

 

[Off The Couch]

Sam Mitchell says Hi.

I must be going deaf, I haven't heard that level of consistent, weekly booing directed towards Sam. Apologies - carry on

 

[Great 2008]

Not everyone deals.with issues the same. Workplace bullying, school yard bullying, some people brush it off some are damaged some hurt themselves or worse
Saying harden up or f off is exactly the attitude that has led in the past to people taking their own lives or others.

I would have hoped that supporters of a club sponsored by beyond blue and after the Mitch Clarke discussions on this board people would start to show a little more tolerance for these sorts of issues

I don't disagree with any of your post. Funny thing is Goodes is actually playing better footy than he has for a while, since this started. Don't discount that he has been the face of Sydney for a long time and supporters are pretty miffed with the Sydney brand atm. I just don't think taking leave is the right way to go about it. These things blow over if you laugh them off or turn the other cheek. I honestly believe that. I think HFC deal with the media brilliantly fwiw.

My son was getting harassed at school. A group of boys were following him around all lunch break spying on him. Went on for a while. He was in the car crying on the way home one day. It was doing his little head in. I told him to spend his next lunch break in the library reading a book. Game over.

If he is mentally in a really bad place (and this is not just media/AFL spin) stop booing.

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

What was KB saying re Hodge?

About that mark he took against fyfe. calling it blatant in the back and disgraceful call

 

[grumbleguts]

One of the posts of the season came from a WC supporter in noe of their threads. "Jetta's invisible spear did about as much damage as Sydney's invisible forward line."

 

[B&GBlood]

Just brought up Hodgey disposing of Fyfe in the marking contest at Tassie. Saying it was a blatant cheat and should have been a free to Fyfe.

Old campaigner

where has he been when Hawkins is throwing fullbacks about the place?

 

[SHAKESPEARE]

where has he been when Hawkins is throwing fullbacks about the place?

are richmond playing Geelong this week? there's your answer

 

[Gralin]

where has he been when Hawkins is throwing fullbacks about the place?

What about Cloke's effort on Issy a few weeks ago where he threw him out of the way when Issy was between him and a ball on the ground, that go no mention at the time or since and I still have no idea why it wasn't a free kick to Smith

 

[cryptor]

So just on a point of principle crypt....Does that stance extend to every other player who is booed?....Just aboriginal players?....Or only Goodes?

If only for Goodes, then what exactly is the point of difference?.....And yes, I am inferring reverse specific racism & preciousness of biblical proportions.

This is a stance that extends to all players that feel so aggrieved by systemic booing that they'd choose not to play because of it.

If you're one who chooses to boo and you claim it's not racially motivated then I respect your right to that freedom of speech and I will give you that benefit of the doubt that you're genuine about it not being racially motivated. My stance has simply shifted now to the point where I won't have sympathy for those who may cop the ire of other supporters around them or who may be subjected to ejection of the ground by security for apparent racist behaviour (despite what you may genuinely think to the counter) when the stigma attached to the act of booing Adam Goodes has become so obviously entrenched in racism - whether that has occurred rightly or wrongly or even in a logical way.

I'm not saying "don't boo". I'm saying "think about how you booing looks to a lot of people now that this stigma is attached to it in relation to Adam Goodes".

Is the stubbornness of retaining your right to boo a person for non-racial reasons worth having Goodes feel so terrible about it because he does think it is racial that he would not be able to attend his place of work worth it?

Is the stubbornness of retaining your right to boo a person for non-racial reasons worth being mistaken for a racist?

 

[Great 2008]

How often does she deserve it though?

Booing her (translated = criticising) gets me absolutely nowhere and is pointless. Goodsey should give her a buzz.