Adam Simpson meets with AFL to discuss the inequalities that interstate teams put up with

[ParapMarkets]

And we ****** you in spite of that fact, "17 games at the G"-flog.
Doesn't make it any fairer or easier.

Yes, more money and resources than every other team in the league makes life very difficult for the Eagles. They are a true underdog.

 

[HungLong]

Yes, more money and resources than every other team in the league makes life very difficult for the Eagles. They are a true underdog.

It's a well-run, professional club with loyal fans who don't jump off the bandwagon.
Why the **** should we be constantly handicapped for that?
Not our problem that the VFL keeps kicking the can down the road instead of
folding/merging unviable Melbourne clubs.
And all that money does nothing to extend the careers of players based here
travelling 60000km a season to anywhere near those who've played in Melbourne. No amount of money would.

 

[Luv_our_club]

It's a well-run, professional club with loyal fans who don't jump off the bandwagon.
Why the **** should we be constantly handicapped for that?
Not our problem that the VFL keeps kicking the can down the road instead of
folding/merging unviable Melbourne clubs.
And all that money does nothing to extend the careers of players based here
travelling 60000km a season to anywhere near those who've played in Melbourne. No amount of money would.

So many salty tears for the winner of the Grand Final... almost makes me want to be unhappy about you winning.

Stop whinging.

Since Buddy left, the Hawks have beat the Swans in NSW every year.... and the Swans beat the Hawks in Melbourne every year. Is that relevant? NO!

Cause there is no debate...you are just playing the victim, reieasing poor us endorphins.

Your Weagals Web sucked.... get over it.

 

[ParapMarkets]

It's a well-run, professional club with loyal fans who don't jump off the bandwagon.
Why the **** should we be constantly handicapped for that?
Not our problem that the VFL keeps kicking the can down the road instead of
folding/merging unviable Melbourne clubs.
And all that money does nothing to extend the careers of players based here
travelling 60000km a season to anywhere near those who've played in Melbourne. No amount of money would.

Muppet

 

[nameless]

I'm not going to speculate on what Simpson may wish to discuss.

Given he gets several hours of discussions it should cover a range of topics.

I look forward to hearing what he says and any outcomes from the meeting.

 

[Andronicus]

Applies to join the VFL, and then complains about going to Victoria to play.

Smart stuff.

 

[btdg]

It is honestly frustrating how often non-fiction teams complain about the disadvantages they face while ignoring the advantages. Gold Coast and Brisbane can gripe, imo. The rest of the non-victorian teams have consistently outperformed their Victorian counterparts year after year, even when their decision making and leadership has been poor.

It's almost like their perceived disadvantages don't have any systematic impact at all over time...

To be honest, he system hasn't been perfect but in some ways the differences between teams make it interesting. And things havr always been at thwir worst when the AFL is rwCtive and jumps at problems fhat dont exist. Let's hope they are smart enough to do so here

 

[Downhill Skier]

It just makes it sweeter when your club wins it IMO.

 

[astro1212]

Applies to join the VFL, and then complains about going to Victoria to play.

Smart stuff.

Needed non-Victorian teams to prop up an amateur league on the brink of bankruptcy, and then complains when non-Victorian teams request fairness.

Smart stuff.

 

[Andronicus]

Needed non-Victorian teams to prop up an amateur league on the brink of bankruptcy, and then complains when non-Victorian teams request fairness.

Smart stuff.

That's right. The eagles joined as an act of good will to bail the state of Victoria out of trouble.

Also, who is complaining?

 

[HairyO]

Somehow doubt that the WA govt would have a lot of sway with the AFL in regards to this...

Too much vested Victorian interest, goes with having half the competition reside there

The AFL follow the money. Its just that easy.

 

[Tom_Thumb]

Sorry you are complaining that GWS only trade to Vic clubs. Did you miss Lobb, McCarthy et al? There is some valid arguments in this thread but yours is garbage.

And you want to exclude an away venue and get more home games. Yeah.

Did you deliberately not see the "Top Echelon" bit ? obviously your not clever enough to realise both those players you listed are c graders at their very best!

 

[JayJ20]

I’d ask the afl to build a purpose built recovery centre in Melbourne exclusively for the interstate teams only to recover after games

The afl has UNLIMITED MONEY

Access to train in the mcg ......if you can hold a game before the grand final and a run on it before the grand final then you can do it all year

If you’re a good side ....regular finals team ....swans crows eagles gws should play a minimum 4 mcg games a year and if that means Richmond has to travel to cairns or Collingwood to Alice springs or Essendon to China so be it ...it’s about equality

You are talking like we are MCG tenants.

The problem is MCG tenants selling home games. Melbourne and Hawthorn both sell home games (a total of 6) which leaves interstate sides a little short.

The AFL need to give Essendon and Carlton more games at the MCG so that interstate sides can play there more. Essendon have 4 homes games at the MCG and 7 at Etihad. We only play MCG tenants at the MCG and all interstate sides at Etihad. If our split becomes 6 MCG and 5 Etihad, then we can host 2 intesrtate sides at the MCG a year.

 

[juss]

There are certainly disadvantages but advantages as well if you are going to have a balanced discussion.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Give the interstate teams extra home games

Thanks for proving my point.

You want equalisation, "Eddie"?
Start by attempting to equalise the amount of travel every club does.
It's easily the most glaring handicap in the league.
Oh wait, equalisation policies that go towards restoring equality
for WA and SA teams aren't pursued because "reasons".
There will never be a GF outside of Victoria for the next five decades just because.
It will never happen.
Who is being militant here, arseh*le?

Demanding extra home games in the name of "equality" is extremely Orwell-esque. If you want to reduce travel ask the AFL for consecutive games in Syd/Melbourne/Adelaide to reduce time spent flying back and forth. If you want to base a team in one of the most remote cities on Earth don't complain when you have to travel to play the other teams

 

[Demonic Ascent]

You are talking like we are MCG tenants.

The problem is MCG tenants selling home games. Melbourne and Hawthorn both sell home games (a total of 6) which leaves interstate sides a little short.

The AFL need to give Essendon and Carlton more games at the MCG so that interstate sides can play there more. Essendon have 4 homes games at the MCG and 7 at Etihad. We only play MCG tenants at the MCG and all interstate sides at Etihad. If our split becomes 6 MCG and 5 Etihad, then we can host 2 intesrtate sides at the MCG a year.

Uh no, Essendon and Carlton signed on to Docklands as their home ground they should play 11 home games there. If they do Melbourne won't sell games to NT because our home games that go there would then be played at the MCG instead of Docklands

 

[JayJ20]

Uh no, Essendon and Carlton signed on to Docklands as their home ground they should play 11 home games there. If they do Melbourne won't sell games to NT because our home games that go there would then be played at the MCG instead of Docklands

If Melbourne and Hawthorn didn’t sell home games, then we wouldn’t have this problem. Interstate sides travel to Tasmania, Darwin and Alice Springs instead of playing at the MCG. If we can accommodate for Hawthorn and Melbourne to play all 11 games at the MCG, then we can accomodate for Carlton and Essendon to play extra home games to cover Melbourne and Hawthorn.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

When Essendon chase Dylan Shiel Carlton (and StKilda and Hawthorn) are right there offering him 1.2 mil a season and offering their future first round pick (almost certainly a top 5 one) for him forcing Essendon to up their offer.

When West Coast try to get Tim Kelly there's no competition because RTB has somehow offended him apparently.

And WCE offered huge overs and were rebuffed yet that's evidence that non-Vic clubs have easy pickings? Spare me.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Yep, I do Squiggle. I think Richmond would have won the flag in Adelaide, but not by as much.

I have a hard time believing a venue is worth an 8+ goal turnaround, since if you follow that logic, you wind up saying Sydney would have beaten West Coast by 78 points in Round 1 if the game had been in NSW, and then Gold Coast would have beaten the Swans by 73 points if they'd played in QLD, and so on. This is the case whether or not HGA includes a dam-bursting component.

I know a lot of people think otherwise, though. I'm just curious about where this comes from, since obviously teams win away all the time.

Anyway, if the Eagles had lost the 2018 Grand Final by under a kick, I'd definitely think the MCG deal cost them a flag. I also think the MCG deal needs to go and the GF should be held in the home city of the top ranking team.

If that's the case, why could Richmond easily account for good teams in Melbourne but were unable to do so away from Victoria?

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Applies to join the VFL, and then complains about going to Victoria to play.

Smart stuff.

Honestly, if you think that is what we're annoyed about then you're too simple to be posting on this forum.

 

[Andronicus]

Honestly, if you think that is what we're annoyed about then you're too simple to be posting on this forum.

Anyone that thinks they need to point out someone else's simplicity in an argument isn't aiming the comment in the right direction.

Also, who starts a comment with the word honestly, just to validate what they are about to say?

 

[kranky al]

All the Freo fans I spoke to at the 2013 Grand Final were stoked to be at the football cathedral

They made as much noise as the Hawthorn fans that day

The venue seemed pretty neutral to me. (The travel factor is obviously an issue. Not a big issue.)

In my opinion, the biggest home ground advantage occurs when 99% of people at the game are screaming for one team - influencing the umpires and giving their team an emotional lift. It's pretty rare for the MCG to get like that. Never on Grand Final day.

The biggest home ground advantage belongs to the Cats, Eagles and Crows

The biggest hga doesnt give a shit what you think - its easily accessible via statistics

 

[kranky al]

I'd just like to see a showdown televised nationwide. It's toughing being an outer-state port supporter

If you want to get adelaide footy channels (or a vic wants vic channels or wa wants wa channels) do the following:

Check to see if you have a fox dish on your roof - if you do - brilliant thats just saved you coin - if you dont pay an installer to put one there - be about $300 or so

Go to a satellite place and buy a vast box

Dont get them to register it!!!

Go home - go to the vast website and register AS A TRAVELLER. Use an address from the state you wish the fta tv programs from.

Voila - home state tv no matter where you are in oz


If you have any questions about this hit me up - more than happy to help footy fans out.

 

[Tsongkie]

The fact that a national sporting competition can be held to ransom by a private members club (MCC) is completely unacceptable - this needs to be addressed.

In 1992, the MCC-AFL struck a deal that ensured at least one finals match would be played at the MCG every final's round - the length of this agreement was 40 years (expiring in 2032).

In 2004, Brisbane was forced by the AFL to host a preliminary final against Geelong at the MCG due to this inherently unfair and biased commercial arrangement.

Due to the public backlash that threatened the AFL's credibility (and rightly so) and potentially it's financial position, the contract/agreement was amended in 2005 to remove the preliminary-final clause. The contract was amended.

The accommodation was not entirely done for altruistic reasons. While they unequivocally allowed non-Victorian clubs to host preliminary finals, they took away any advantage derived from winning said final but doubling down on their position to secure the MCG as the Grand Final venue until 2032.

As we all know, that 1992 agreement was adjusted this year and extended from 2032 to 2057. In the words of the MCC press release, "We want to see the Victorian clubs – particularly those based at the MCG – thrive and enjoy success. Their ongoing viability and success is good for the AFL, the MCG and the people of Victoria". Also, "The new agreement, which comes into effect from the start of the 2019 AFL season, would provide benefits to all (lol) parties, including MCG tenant clubs - namely Melbourne, Richmond, Collingwood, Hawthorn, Essendon and Carlton."

A National competition you say?

 

[Truckosaurus]

See? It's dangerous for us to play in Tasmania.