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Will Simpson be Head Coach at WCE in 2024


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This side is a complete enigmatic mess.

We’ve fallen to the point where trying is enough for, and I mean this politely, potatoes like Langdon to get semi-regular games.

Yet those entrenched in the side seem to get selected without consistent effort nor application. Sheed and McGovern (vice captain, what a joke) - I’m talking about the likes of you. This in turn feeds into our desire to reward players who try but aren’t good enough into getting games.

It’s like we’re stuck in the nether zone and it’s hard to see how we escape from this pattern. Vicious cycle of mediocrity.

Agree and it's hard to see that changing next year, if we go into the season itself with the same "credits in the bank " pile of sh1t philosophy at the selection table.

Harsh reality is that it's time to hit the draft hard over the next few years, brace ourselves for a couple of lean years before we emerge withy some fresh talent and an invigorated list, thats the only way that we can break the cycle.

My only concern ( and it's a major one ) , is that I have lost all faith and confidence in the drafting and recruiting team.
 
A lot of 'those kids' aren't performing in the WAFL. I don't mind giving them a go considering our season has been shot for some time but you're kidding yourself if you think they'll go better, in most cases.
If they go worse so be it but we know what we get from Gaff, Sheed and McGovern this year and it's not good enough. If nothing else dropping them would prove nobody is above the team and lack of effort wont be tolerated no matter your name or status. These moves should have already happened and Simpson not doing it is a black mark against his name
 
If they go worse so be it but we know what we get from Gaff, Sheed and McGovern this year and it's not good enough. If nothing else dropping them would prove nobody is above the team and lack of effort wont be tolerated no matter your name or status. These moves should have already happened and Simpson not doing it is a black mark against his name
That's true. i'd like to see the kids played in the positions they were actually drafted for, because the guys currently there are no longer up to it in most cases. Might as well give them an opportunity to show their wares before they are unfairly delisted.
 

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If they go worse so be it but we know what we get from Gaff, Sheed and McGovern this year and it's not good enough. If nothing else dropping them would prove nobody is above the team and lack of effort wont be tolerated no matter your name or status. These moves should have already happened and Simpson not doing it is a black mark against his name

The first rule should be if you are injured you come back through the wafl… whether you are player 1 or 42 on the list to prove your fitness.


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5 of the 8 you named played under woosha yes. Are you even an eagles fan?
It was a list used to prove a point. Of course I'm aware Kennedy, Darling, Shuey and Naitanui played under Worsfold. Yeo did as well, did he?
That's true. i'd like to see the kids played in the positions they were actually drafted for, because the guys currently there are no longer up to it in most cases. Might as well give them an opportunity to show their wares before they are unfairly delisted.
Yes I agree, lets see if that happens in 2022
The first rule should be if you are injured you come back through the wafl… whether you are player 1 or 42 on the list to prove your fitness.


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Agreed, but bit late for this year now. Hopefully changes for 2022
 
Its been mentioned in a couple of wa footy podcasts that next years preseason we just need to go hard. Whoever breaks down breaks down, cant be nursing campaigners through otherwise 2022 will be a repeat of 2021.

I wouldnt mind seeing kelly and shuey on the HFF, throw in foley, LEdwards and XON in the middle and see what they can do.
 
This is the worst iteration of our team that I can remember.

We’ve had much less talented and poorer performing squads, but no other team has shaken my faith and interest quite as much as this one. Not the Ken Judge era. Not the 2008-10 or 2013 teams either.

We’re boring.

By and large we play weak, gutless footy.

We turn effort on and off like a tap.

We play worse when we have better players.

We have a dearth of leadership on the field.

We demonstrate no meaningful accountability for the above.

Off the field we don’t make worthwhile changes or show any commitment to new ideas. We continue to select the likes of Vardy and Hutchings.

We wheel out the same excuses and tired cliches.

There is almost nothing to like about this team.

I’d consider giving Simmo another season but the amount of division and discontent within the dressing room (from what I’m hearing) is such that the damage appears irreparable. I don’t see a point in trying to reset strategically if the players don’t want to play for him.
 
There's one thing Simmo said that I find has been an issue of our coaching department not adapting to the current state of the game.

When AFL cut department cost across the league it was Simmo the one coach having a whinge about it. That negative effect he brought into the side since then. Every other club across the league dealt with it but Simmo like a little kid sooking in the corner. I think this coaching mindset played a huge part into our poor season. Not only could the players not give a shit but honestly think they weren't even coached this season. Most of our coaching department been sooking and sort of on strike because these cuts to department.

We need a clean out the whole coaching department. Get rid of the lot and start a fresh. Need coaches that can adapt and get on with it.
 
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Agree and it's hard to see that changing next year, if we go into the season itself with the same "credits in the bank " pile of sh1t philosophy at the selection table.

Harsh reality is that it's time to hit the draft hard over the next few years, brace ourselves for a couple of lean years before we emerge withy some fresh talent and an invigorated list, thats the only way that we can break the cycle.

My only concern ( and it's a major one ) , is that I have lost all faith and confidence in the drafting and recruiting team.
The sad thing is, the majority of our supporters are simpletons and easily pleased. You are in the minority, healthy cynicism is now viewed as negativity.

Take a look at Facebook if in doubt.
 
It’s been a godawful couple of years for us really.

If you disregard the six match WA hub last year, we end up having a 16 win 17 loss record across the two seasons.

Not just that but in most of those games we’ve been extremely unwatchable. Like worse than 2008-09 unwatchable. And in many of the losses we’ve failed to kick more than 5-6 goals.

We finished 5th last season but it’s been a two year fail
 
The sad thing is, the majority of our supporters are simpletons and easily pleased. You are in the minority, healthy cynicism is now viewed as negativity.

Take a look at Facebook if in doubt.
Instagram is probably worse. Almost every post are people crying about Hutchings not being selected or being dropped. Every other one is about wanting Nelson delisted.
 

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Haha, adam Simpson has an almost full-strength team, no longer injuries an issue and he is still coming out saying " we know where we are at?", more like you don't know where you're at?? we gave this guy way too many passes last two season thinking injuries were to blame. clearly not the case. Please listen to his press conference. He just looks like a defeated man. This is the business we are in, you either perform or you are able to clearly explain why you ain't by articulating it clearly. He ain't doing either so he has to go.I am all about keeping managers outside just looking at results but he is just lost at the moment and looks for miracles which won't happen in this league.
 
4-2 after starting the season 0-8. The WAFL discussion starts and ends with player availability. No surprise an ammos team was getting beaten every week.

As for not being able to run out games in the WAFL - since our first win, the winning margins have been 2, 5, 51 and 56, and the losses have been 2 and 20. Not getting blown off the park, blowing some teams away, 2-1 record in close games, the WAFL program is running as intended ever since we got to actually field a team of WAFL calibre players.

this one week old post has aged well
 
Only so much the players can control in terms of coaching, tactics and game plan before next year, but if most of them aren’t straight in the gym and putting in some hard yards straight after the quarantine from Queensland, then they don’t want success.

ill happily take a few overuse injuries over a few mud guts.

Using Braun as an example of what to do on the training track made me snort out my Chardonnay:



 
Simpson defenders show yourself

Actually, if you go back and read what I posted, I'm anti some of your ridiculous posts but have never defended Simpson. Its probably not surprising that you can't tell the difference.

Since you asked though, I think Simpson and the entire coaching team has had a bad couple of years both in terms of match day selections and game plan. Add to that our players mindset just doesn't seem right which is ultimately Simmo's responsibility.

However, I also don't think the Eagles are likely to sack him, it's just not the way they have operated over the years and Simpsons record has been pretty good despite underperforming the last few years. I think it is more likely they will look to bolster the assistant coaches. You're welcome to disagree with me.

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Great fight back after quarter time - showed that we can do it (which makes it more frustrating). Shows as well that a couple of obvious selection changes we've all been baying for could've been the difference for us.

The bigger PROBLEM is the inclusion of Sheed and Vardy in the 22 this week when the season was on the line. This bizzare defensive pass that Sheed gets given (and to a lesser extent Gaff) is truly beyond a joke.

I get that we want a 2nd ruck option in Vardy for our weapon NicNat - but surely there are other options rather than being a man down from the start of the game.
We are not short of talls and have already shown that Darling or McGov can handle rucking duties in the 50 arcs.
Brander would have added much needed run whilst also being one of the 'tall's that Simmo is obsessed with having a certain number of.

And Sheed - It was poetic justice that an unfinished Sheed tackle lead to Serong's goal that buried us in the end.
I don't know how to find the exact right words - but its like he thinks all he has to do is show he 'tried'. Gaff too.

After the unpressurized crap we have been serving up most weeks how can Simmo stand to watch Sheed's infamous defensive JOG any longer.
Priddis was too slow for the game once the game sped up post Hawthorn era. Sheed doesn't have this excuse.
Sheed simply chooses to not to put in the defensive effort. And it surely that has a draining effect on the team.
Perhaps West and Hutchings are ball butchers but when pressure and effort are THE biggest factor letting our team down currently surely they are better options because at least they will chase, tackle and give an F.
 
I’d consider giving Simmo another season but the amount of division and discontent within the dressing room (from what I’m hearing) is such that the damage appears irreparable. I don’t see a point in trying to reset strategically if the players don’t want to play for him.

What have you heard? Do tell!

Bigfooty rumours of Simmo having lost the players or you hearing things elsewhere?
We don't hear anything here in Vic, especially as we're all in house arrest.
 
This season was the biggest waste of our time. I still haven't figured out how it all went wrong, besides some heavy defeats to Geelong and Sydney for instance.

Would this have something to do with the team not adjusting to the man on the mark rule? Or is it that some of the players on the team have outlived their usefulness?
 
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