Coach Adam Simpson Megathread est. 2017 - Staying for 2024, Lyon’s Cryin’

[kaII]

I’ve said it many time Mitchell was the coach that earned us the 2018 premiership

This seems like a unique, and thus far unheard-of theory... I'm interested to hear more, if you'd be willing to expand?

 

[Cuzz09]

i also think we as a club have historically been "happy" with 1 flag and stop.

Seems like the hunger very quickly disappears once we win one.

Makes the 94 flag side the best imo

 

[Frederico_WA]

Ross Lyon would be a good fit aligned to current selector strategy of playing senior players out of form and close to retirement.
Ross would take this to the level needed to prove the strategy as valid that blooding you guys with hunger and pace is wrong.

 

[Diverbelow]

Ross Lyon would be a good fit aligned to current selector strategy of playing senior players out of form and close to retirement.
Ross would take this to the level needed to prove the strategy as valid that blooding you guys with hunger and pace is wrong.

Freo under Ross Lyon selected some pretty fair players during his last 3 years.

2016...............Logue, Darcy, Cox, Ryan
2017...................Brayshaw, Cerra, Switkowski
2018.................Sturt, Schultz

He would also have had some early input into the selection of Serong and Haydn Young in 2019 before he was sacked

Add in some that are above WAFL level that West Coast could now target such as Meek


In any case Sumich is sniffing around again.....................Go on you know you want him.

 

[Monocle]

Amazing how none of these problems existed last week.

Oh they were there ........ and have been there for over three years ....... just last week the bitching on the boards wasn't there.

Funny how thats sidelined last week, by a bunch of kids busting their arses to try and win a game and playing like each game could be their last.
In reality - most weeks if the game stats were as they panned out last week, it would have been a loss.
We kicked well they kicked badly ........ end result is we won .... some time the luck falls your way.

Simpson is an unbelievably stubborn bastard and is stuck in his ways.

He even talked pre game of the pitfalls of what he was going to do this week by brining in too many underdone players at the same time, yet knowing the very pitfalls that he had articulated ........... he still did it ........... same result.

Now I am prepared to give him and the new coaching team, the full season to ply there wares, but I am not convinced ,thus far that the game plan is being tweeked enough..

With the whole f****** credits in the bank thing, it's going to be hard to justify why we would not drop Darling for the next game.
He is so out of touch and so lost at the minute that he looks like Gumby.
That said I bet Simpson picks him again.


The wrong messages have been sent to seniors players for three years now " pass the fitness test and you play regardless of form or match conditioning", conversely the messages to the Wests and X'ons of our list is ....thanks for you career best games but the old guys from the infirmary are coming back.

Amazing how our two most spirited efforts for the season, have come from the try hards / no names that have dug in and played with spirit and vigor.

Ability only gets you so far, but with out application and determination, the ability is lost and or rendered useless.

 

[Balls In]

Oh they were there ........ and have been there for over three years ....... just last week the bitching on the boards wasn't there.

Funny how thats sidelined last week, by a bunch of kids busting their arses to try and win a game and playing like each game could be their last.
In reality - most times the game stats were as they panned out last week, it would have been a loss.
We kicked well they kicked bad ........ end result is we won .... some time the luck falls your way.

Simpson is an unbelievably stubborn bastard and is stuck in his ways.

He even talked pre game of the pitfalls of what he was going to do this week by brining in too many underdone players at the same time, yet knowing the very pitfalls that he had articulated ........... he still did it ........... same result.

Now I am prepared to give him and the new coaching team, the full season to ply there wares, but I am not convinced ,thus far that the game plan is being tweeked enough..

With the whole f****** credits in the bank thing, it's going to be hard to justify why we would not drop Darling for the next game.
He is so out of touch and so lost at the minute that he looks like Gumby.
That said I bet Simpson picks him again.


The wrong messages have been sent to seniors players for three years now " pass the fitness test and you play regardless of form or match conditioning", conversely the messages to the Wests and X'ons of our list is ....thanks for you career best games but the old guys from the infirmary are coming back.

Amazing how our two most spirited efforts for the season, have come from the try hards / no names that have dug in and played with spirit and vigor.

Ability only gets you so far, but with out application and determination, the ability is lost and or rendered useless.

I think people have been happy with three of the previous four games because the effort and energy was there (even if the polish was lacking). There was also a clear indication that a more flowing style of footy was trying to be implemented, more corridor use and more overlapping run.

Yesterday with the old hands all rushed back into the lineup and we just didn't show up. You could see it before the goal onslaught even started we were running in quicksand. Worse, within 20 seconds Cripps gets a possession on our half forwardline and without looking just dobs it 30m backwards.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

I think people have been happy with three of the previous four games because the effort and energy was there (even if the polish was lacking). There was also a clear indication that a more flowing style of footy was trying to be implemented, more corridor use and more overlapping run.

Yesterday with the old hands all rushed back into the lineup and we just didn't show up. You could see it before the goal onslaught even started we were running in quicksand. Worse, within 20 seconds Cripps gets a possession on our half forwardline and without looking just dobs it 30m backwards.

100%

I was fine the Freo loss. They have better talent in most areas and youth.

Yesterday was appalling.

What are the match committe so scared of? That the crippled old men will want to be traded out at years end? Good luck with that, no one wants them.

 

[Goroyals22]

The other issue with the second stringers playing a good game, they then look accustomed to the speed and style required to play at the level, they get dropped for weeks then end up having to readjust either as a sub or out of position which makes them look below the level.. pick them, play them, leave them until they lose form.. not because someone with no form but a big name comes back.

 

[amazingjoshy]

The other issue with the second stringers playing a good game, they then look accustomed to the speed and style required to play at the level, they get dropped for weeks then end up having to readjust either as a sub or out of position which makes them look below the level.. pick them, play them, leave them until they lose form.. not because someone with no form but a big name comes back.

Exactly this, the message it sends is appalling. Performance doesn't matter

A guy like ONeil who finally got a full game in his natural position, performs well and contributes to a win (with 24 possessions) gets told Na your performance doesn't matter, you're out anyway. How does that in anyway help his development?

And the 4 blokes that played walked into the team last night? 16, 15, 18 and 11 touches each. Bet not one of them gets dropped

 

[footballfreak]

Will be Woosha for a 3rd stint. Proven coach that has rebuilt a west coast list twice.

 

[Royalbeagle]

I just want to start the rebuild already. Don't care who the coach is.

If Simpson won't pull the trigger on that at the end of the year if we miss the 8 again with our ageing list, then get a coach who

We’re not making the 8 fella - no if’s, buts, or maybe’s.

 

[The wily weagle]

For a start i'd like us to stop zoning, and start playing man on man.

At this point, what do we really have to lose?

 

[Chump Change]

Interesting about Simpson's record as coach. 62% puts him just below Malthouse's record at 64%, although that will likely go down if we tank badly this season.

7 wins and 5 losses in finals however 5 of those finals win came in the two years we made Grand Finals; in 2015 (2 wins) and 2018 (three wins). Other than those two seasons we haven't made Preliminary Finals. In his eight seasons as coach it's interesting to note we've only made top 4 twice which again was the two years mentioned 2015 & 2018.

Obviously the Premiership in 2018 weighs heavily for him but other than that I think we've massively underachieved as a club under his tenure. Will he survive his contract tenure until 2024? personally I don't think he deserves it unless we make finals this year. We need a fresh start under a new coach, Simpson seems resistant to change and last year in particular his team selection was a detrement to the team (referring to Brander, Rotham & Allen).

I think people think about coaches wrong (not you by the way).

Take Woosha for example: Really good when we won the flag. Built his team around Cousins, Judd, Kerr, and Cox. Played man on man and used a played whose only job was to block for Judd. Hansen, Armstrong, Lynch... there were a lot of players who would have been fringe players in any team. When our era was over, his coaching was really really ordinary. As in "can't coach" ordinary.

He hit a spot and got everything right. Same as Simmo. Hit a spot and got it right. Outside that - can't coach.

Malthouse, Pagan, Blight - all greats who failed later on because the game passed them by.

Our guns have had light pre-seasons and I can't see them having bumper years. Of our next 6 games, we might jag one that will put us 2-9 at the half way mark. At the back end of the season people will forget our early season misfortunes and all they will see is ghastly football.

I think he'll resign at the end of the season.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Will be Woosha for a 3rd stint. Proven coach that has rebuilt a west coast list twice.

Not as a coach but I think on the board at least, pretty sure he'll return to the club in an official capacity soon.

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[Rowan18]

Not as a coach but I think on the board at least, pretty sure he'll return to the club in an official capacity soon.

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He would be awesome as the general manager of football.

 

[The_Gambler]

Amazing how none of these problems existed last week.

The week we lost inside 50's 60 to 40?

Edit: yes this was noted by almost every other poster

 

[The_Gambler]

Does anyone truly believe that an existing coach can do a total rebuild and have success again? It has nit happened much in the history of the game. Sheedy did it, maybe Parkin? Can’t name many others but may be overlooking some.

If the club is going the rebuild path which most of us believe we should then surely it must be with a new coach with new ideas, new messages.

Schofield is the right man in my opinion.

An existing coach can rebuild, but Simpson can't. I say this on the basis of the complete inability to develop young players in the team, not only evolve but change game style, recruit players to suit a desired game style or weakness in the team (yes he's not in charge of coaching but if a senior coach says I need player X get player X, the senior coach should have some sway) and to identify weaknesses within the club off field and address them (my example here is fitness, outside of Gaff you name me one midfielder who can use their running ability in a damaging way and do this for 4 quarters.... crickets. The other example is recruiting- if he can’t see that O’Brien has a horrendous track record and you keep backing him in, that’s on you).

Simpson has poor leadership qualities in particular the ability to motivate and lead by example. I think he needs the word from the top that the club is going to in to rebuild, stop playing a midfield that is half fit at best, and probably only quarter fit without rotations and start playing some younger players in the position they have been drafted for long periods of time. The old players should be the ones on the periphery and flanks. If they can't, sadly they are going to go the same way as Priddis

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

The week we lost inside 50's 60 to 40?

So why was this thread deader than my social calendar?

Because everyone’s bright and happy when we win, and looking for something to whinge and moan about when we lose.

 

[The_Gambler]

Amazing how none of these problems existed last week.

Broken record

 

[PremiershipNo4]

This seems like a unique, and thus far unheard-of theory... I'm interested to hear more, if you'd be willing to expand?

You’ve never heard that facts that Mitchell was instrumental in our premiership win or the fact that the players loved him, he was an amazing teacher. Have you been living in a cave mate?
Perhaps you would like to fill me on the theory that Mitchell wasn’t instrumental in our premiership win?

 

[The_Gambler]

So why was this thread deader than my social calendar?

Because everyone’s bright and happy when we win, and looking for something to whinge and moan about when we lose.

No bro, many enjoyed the win and effort but the cracks were still evident

 

[Rowan18]

Simmo will see this year out. No one is firing him with the preaseason from hell and COVID hitting the squad. Maybe a lot of the problems are self inflicted, but those are big enough excuses to save him.

Next year is the big one. Fail to implement a decent preseason and then start performing, and he could be gone by mid 2023. The 2023 coaching year payment will already be in the budget and the club won't worry about having to pay out one last year for 2024.

I just hope we can see something in the second half of this year. I think they need to stop worrying about win/loss for now and focus on getting players fit and back in the team. From there, the focus should be on getting the gameplan right. If this works, we should see a run of good form at the back end of the year. If not, at least we know that either the players or gameplan aren't up to it and can plan accordingly in off season.

We should also make calls on retirements around mid year as we get depth back from injury. Hurn and JK won't go on and Shuey is touch and go depending on his body (if it holds up then def go around again but drop the captiancy).

Nic Nat should probably retire unless he has the passion to get in shape and have a beast of a pre-season.

 

[The_Gambler]

You’ve never heard that facts that Mitchell was instrumental in our premiership win or the fact that the players loved him, he was an amazing teacher. Have you been living in a cave mate?
Perhaps you would like to fill me on the theory that Mitchell wasn’t instrumental in our premiership win?

Also a motivator. A number of players bringing up anecdotes and quotes where Mitchell motivated and challenged them. What do you hear about Simpson? Yes things were warm and fuzzy with the family, friends, flags things but you can’t rely on that every year. And what does he do when clearly there hasn’t been a lot of friends stuff within the club for a few years now? One trick pony

 

[Cuzz09]

At this rate Simpson will be remembered for his horrible coaching rather than a premiership coach.

 

[KERRPOW]

Simpson referred to our side tonight as a ‘young group’.

Is that even true? As far as I know we were a lot more experienced than the players put out by Sydney tonight. Happy to be proven wrong, if I am.

I am deeply concerned about the state of our list going forward. Where is our young talent through the middle?

Yep, i went through the list a few hours ago.

Only Allen is the player thats you can say is young talent.

The rest are either question marks or bonafide spuds (petch, rotham).