Coach Adam Simpson Megathread est. 2017 - Staying for 2024, Lyon’s Cryin’

[Miguel Sanchez]

Always two there are, no more no less…. Which one will be destroyed the master or the apprentice…… sorry thought it was the star wars thread..

Anyway someone came out with a stat last night that since 2000 only Geelong and the Eagles haven’t moved a coach on before the end of his tenure….

Didn’t Ken Judge have a year to go on his contract when he was moved on at the end of 2001?

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Didn’t Ken Judge have a year to go on his contract when he was moved on at the end of 2001?

Yes we had to pay him about 1 mil to sack him.

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[Ambrose Burnside]

Seems a lot to pay a coach with a pretty crappy record from Hawthorn for a single year pay out back in 2001.

 

[Chris_6678]

Seems a lot to pay a coach with a pretty crappy record from Hawthorn for a single year pay out back in 2001.

Yeah i highly doubt he was on anywhere near that in those days.

Not even Mick would have been on that in the late 90's.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

Seems a lot to pay a coach with a pretty crappy record from Hawthorn for a single year pay out back in 2001.

The pay out would also have included a non - disclosure agreement so he kept his mouth shut after he was sacked and didn't air the dirty laundry regarding Cousins and culture issues. Imagine the damage he could have done if he started talking and selling stories to the media. He had them over a barrel. I think if he had really played hardball with them he could have gotten more than a million, even in 2001 dollars.

 

[WCErevival]

Judge knew what really happened at Sep 11 and was paid off.

 

[Dale Doback]

9 seasons is long enough for a senior coach. We have blokes in their mid 20s like Duggan and Barrass who've only ever had Simpson. And he's so rigid in the way he uses his players we really don't know what a lot of them are capable of.

McGovern has stood under or in every pack in the back line for long enough. He should have been clunking pack marks at CHF for us for the last 2 years. Instead Simpson relies on him to win the ball back because our lazy unfit mids put nearly zero pressure on their opponents and let them walk it through the corridor.

A talented football manager would be working behind the scenes to move Simpson on to North if they want him. If we had to pay 100 to 150k of his salary next year to grease the wheels so be it.

And to keep Simmos ego in check I'd leak to the media that North will sling us a third round pick as compensation for pinching our super coach.

I want to bring Don Pyke in as head coach.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Seems a lot to pay a coach with a pretty crappy record from Hawthorn for a single year pay out back in 2001.

I think the club were impressed when he took that side and beat us at the WACA in late '99.

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[CursoryMercenary]

9 seasons is long enough for a senior coach. We have blokes in their mid 20s like Duggan and Barrass who've only ever had Simpson. And he's so rigid in the way he uses his players we really don't know what a lot of them are capable of.

McGovern has stood under or in every pack in the back line for long enough. He should have been clunking pack marks at CHF for us for the last 2 years. Instead Simpson relies on him to win the ball back because our lazy unfit mids put nearly zero pressure on their opponents and let them walk it through the corridor.

A talented football manager would be working behind the scenes to move Simpson on to North if they want him. If we had to pay 100 to 150k of his salary next year to grease the wheels so be it.

And to keep Simmos ego in check I'd leak to the media that North will sling us a third round pick as compensation for pinching our super coach.

I want to bring Don Pyke in as head coach.

The club seems to value Simpson as a valuable asset hence the hands off response. In reality his stock is declining fast and the board just aren't seeing it.

Yes if I had to pick an established coach it would be Pyke. It would be him and Jaymie Graham going for the job.

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[eagles rule]

Spoke to some Carlton players on the weekend and they where both saying Ash Hansen is the best assistant coach they have been under
in there careers.

Just make me want him as next WCE coach

I wouldn’t put to much on what Carlton players say ..


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[bh90210fan]

9 seasons is long enough for a senior coach. We have blokes in their mid 20s like Duggan and Barrass who've only ever had Simpson. And he's so rigid in the way he uses his players we really don't know what a lot of them are capable of.

McGovern has stood under or in every pack in the back line for long enough. He should have been clunking pack marks at CHF for us for the last 2 years. Instead Simpson relies on him to win the ball back because our lazy unfit mids put nearly zero pressure on their opponents and let them walk it through the corridor.

A talented football manager would be working behind the scenes to move Simpson on to North if they want him. If we had to pay 100 to 150k of his salary next year to grease the wheels so be it.

And to keep Simmos ego in check I'd leak to the media that North will sling us a third round pick as compensation for pinching our super coach.

I want to bring Don Pyke in as head coach.

Call me crazy but I don’t think even Pyke would be taking a 4 x All Australian CHB and moving him into a spot already filled by a 40 goal a year forward.

 

[shooshka]

The club seems to value Simpson as a valuable asset hence the hands off response. In reality his stock is declining fast and the board just aren't seeing it.

Yes if I had to pick an established coach it would be Pyke. It would be him and Jaymie Graham going for the job.

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He would walk into the Nth job if he were available. And would likely be 2nd in line at GWS (behind Clarko) if he wanted to look at that job.

Not sure of the accuracy of the statement 'his stock is declining fast'

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I think the club were impressed when he took that side and beat us at the WACA in late '99.

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So did Tim Watson at St Kilda...

 

[paran]

North are perfectly entitled to ask the question and tbh, they’d be negligent if they didn’t

It’s then up to Simpson and WCE to have some open discussions (between themselves not publicly) on his position

There can be no guarantee of tenure beyond 2024 when his current contract expires because it remains to be seen if he can right a ship that has lost its rudder and is taking on water.

The club also has to consider what it might do post 2024 and whether Simpson would remain our best option even if things do improve in 2023 and 2024

By then he would have been senior coach for 11 years. Malthouse was coach for 10 years and Worsfold 12 years. I’ve said before that it’s extremely rare for a successful coach to enjoy success again at the same club with a completely revamped list so it’s a brave soul who’d suggest that Simpson is capable of defying history. And I like Simpson, some may even call me a fanboi

So here’s the thing, the timing might not be quite right, but Simpson may have the opportunity to get a coaching contract beyond 2024 whilst we get the opportunity to install a new coach who can reenergise the list and develop a new game style with a new group of players. We’d need to get the next Simpson/Worsfold though rather than the next Judge

For me, in an ideal/fantasy world, Simpson leads us back to the top of mountain but him leaving to coach North may not be the worst thing in the long run

Sounds like it'd be worth a pick 1.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Believe me, I was the only sad weirdo to ever get a Jaymie Graham

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22 put on the back of my jumper. That’s a real fact. Love the bloke.

Isn’t his coaching development Simmo and Longmuir? Isn’t Longmuir’s development Simmo and Buckley?

I’m knocking it out of hand but he doesn’t seem like he’ll bring a wholesale change with a revolutionary new game style. It seems like it’d be his own take on Simmo and Longmuir’s system, which are not a mile apart from eachother, and was even similar to what was used in patches by Buckley’s Pies against high pressure, high handball teams like the Tigers.

Schofield and Knights seem more likely to pivot drastically away from what we’ve seen for most of Simmo’s tenure, if we’re going for people who are loosely attached to this senior coach role as is.

 

[UseR2006]

West Coast have been one of the most successful clubs since entering the competition and yet people whinge and moan that we don't change things up and don't sack people often enough. It's laughable.

Part of the reason we have so much success is because we don't do massive culls, fire coaches on a goddamn whim and have extremely stable back of house setups.

The clubs people look at now as powerhouses like Richmond, Melbourne and Carlton all spent significant time at the bottom in a mire of irrelevancy.

If it's me, i'm keeping Simpson as at the very least the players are still bought in, he is changing things up both personnel wise and game-plan wise and there has been plenty of extenuating circumstances to give him more time to see how things go.

 

[Obeanie1]

seems like easy money.

What are assistants on $100k?

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$100k isnt that much.

Id say it would be a tad morethan that.

 

[Obeanie1]

9 seasons is long enough for a senior coach. We have blokes in their mid 20s like Duggan and Barrass who've only ever had Simpson. And he's so rigid in the way he uses his players we really don't know what a lot of them are capable of.

McGovern has stood under or in every pack in the back line for long enough. He should have been clunking pack marks at CHF for us for the last 2 years. Instead Simpson relies on him to win the ball back because our lazy unfit mids put nearly zero pressure on their opponents and let them walk it through the corridor.

A talented football manager would be working behind the scenes to move Simpson on to North if they want him. If we had to pay 100 to 150k of his salary next year to grease the wheels so be it.

And to keep Simmos ego in check I'd leak to the media that North will sling us a third round pick as compensation for pinching our super coach.

I want to bring Don Pyke in as head coach.

Don Pyke would be my choise.

Doing well at the Swans and took the Crows to a GF. Not a softy either.

 

[bzparkes]

Don Pyke would be my choise.

Doing well at the Swans and took the Crows to a GF. Not a softy either.

No, not soft at all.

To the point he completely destroyed Adelaide's culture by refusing to listen to the players when they objected to a second pre-season of Collective Minds' camp on the Gold Coast...

Not having a go at you personally but I'm genuinely curious as to why people on this board rate Pyke so highly. I wouldn't disregard him as a choice, should Simmo move on, but I'm in the Ash Hansen camp myself.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I'm genuinely curious as to why people on this board rate Pyke so highly.

He was a West Coast assistant coach under Adam Simpson so therefore responsible for all the good things that we did when he was here, as opposed to Adam Simpson, who is the worst coach ever.

And I'll throw a Gatorade bottle at anyone who disagrees.

 

[Bender_]

He was a West Coast assistant coach under Adam Simpson so therefore responsible for all the good things that we did when he was here, as opposed to Adam Simpson, who is the worst coach ever.

And I'll throw a Gatorade bottle at anyone who disagrees.

Pyke was responsible for everything leading up to the 2015 GF, then Simmo took over and embarrassed the club. Then knowing how bad at coaching he is, he recruited Mitchell who was responsible for everything including the 2018 premiership, and is the key reason why we have gone to shit since he left as well as Simmo being shit.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Any chance we’d look at a highly rated assistant who didn’t play for West Coast, or is that just crazy talk?

 

[Keys]

Any chance we’d look at a highly rated assistant who didn’t play for West Coast, or is that just crazy talk?

I think media and supporters look at who played for the club first and then others second

It should be remembered that Neil Craig virtually had the job back in 2001 but Worsfold was chosen late for reasons I forget now. Then Sumich was heavily favoured in 2013 before the club nominated Simpson which wasn’t universally popular either

Hansen has been away from the club for some time now and has done all his AFL coaching over east so he’d be more removed than say Cox or Graham. Even Pyke for that matter

I don’t have an issue with any new coach being a past player so along as the likes of Giaransircusa, Caracella etc aren’t ignored as being possible candidates

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

In late 2001 Craig was the favourite for the West Coast Eagles coaching job in 2002 but dropped out of the running.

Wikipedia suggests Craig pulled out of the race.

I'm assuming family reasons?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Wikipedia suggests Craig pulled out of the race.

I'm assuming family reasons?

You know that scene in the Office where Michael Scott’s boss tells him he isn’t getting the promotion and he asks to be taken out of the running?

I assumed it was like that.