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Will Simpson be Head Coach at WCE in 2024


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Another thing with a person in Simpson’s position is that his own personal brand is being damaged by the results.

If his assessment is we are likely to endure another 3 or 4 seasons down the bottom, and he doesn’t plan to be or thinks it is unlikely that he will be the coach still by the time the results start to tick up again, then from a purely self interest POV it doesn’t make sense to keep going if you are Simpson.

Why would you want to keep being the public face of the losses and getting the blame? If you wanted another senior coaching gig in the future you would be better off getting out.

And for any moron who wants to reply and say that that Simpson is a Saint and would never consider his own future or self interest you need to start living in the real world. We are all human. We all think about and respond to our own self interest.
Abusing imaginary posters for their imagined responses to the hypothetical scenarios you dream up is......out there.
 
He's had a giant crack at Rotham though?

Suma, you're giving a guy a spray who isn't good enough. I get the Darling spray, have no issue if he roasts Kelly (who has generally been good), but you're roasting a guy whose only in the team because 15 other guys are injured.

And the time to roast senior players - it was in 2021 when they just didn't want to contest the ball. The horse has bolted, the cycle has turned, and we're bottom 4 where we should be.

Why can’t Rotham be instructed to play in front of his man always trailing in behind..


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I have no idea, nor do I care. He's not going to be the guy to old down a key defensive post for the next 10 years so I don't care. He's in the team because others are injured.

Why do you think he didn't try playing in front? D-coach said no? D-coach let's them play their own way? I sort of don't care what the answer is. He's a WAFL player.
 

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I have no idea, nor do I care. He's not going to be the guy to old down a key defensive post for the next 10 years so I don't care. He's in the team because others are injured.

Why do you think he didn't try playing in front? D-coach said no? D-coach let's them play their own way? I sort of don't care what the answer is. He's a WAFL player.
No coach can polish a turd I am afraid. This is not a critisism of many who played and are WAFL players- I am in no position to do so. It is just the reality of our list.
 
Question - If we replace Simpson early, and assuming he is one of the highest paid coaches in the league. Does this mean we only have the cap space remaining to sign a rookie or untried coach for 2024 & 2025 and basically be unable to lure over any proved talent?
 
Question - If we replace Simpson early, and assuming he is one of the highest paid coaches in the league. Does this mean we only have the cap space remaining to sign a rookie or untried coach for 2024 & 2025 and basically be unable to lure over any proved talent?

Unless we wanted to go over the soft cap we would be hamstrung by Simmos salary. But we shouldn't be after a big name if we're pushing him out early. We'd be looking for a cheap seat warmer for a few seasons until we've acquired enough talented youth to begin our next assault on finals.

Honestly I don't think any other coach is achieving much more with the availability and list we have.
 
Unless we wanted to go over the soft cap we would be hamstrung by Simmos salary. But we shouldn't be after a big name if we're pushing him out early. We'd be looking for a cheap seat warmer for a few seasons until we've acquired enough talented youth to begin our next assault on finals.

Honestly I don't think any other coach is achieving much more with the availability and list we have.
Sumich would probably be cheap

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Unless we wanted to go over the soft cap we would be hamstrung by Simmos salary. But we shouldn't be after a big name if we're pushing him out early. We'd be looking for a cheap seat warmer for a few seasons until we've acquired enough talented youth to begin our next assault on finals.

Honestly I don't think any other coach is achieving much more with the availability and list we have.

Any penalty fir early payout the club should not even worry about it. We have ample money to go over the cap.
If the right thing to do is remove Simmo the club should do it.
Make the right football decisions not the right financial decision.
 
Any penalty fir early payout the club should not even worry about it. We have ample money to go over the cap.
If the right thing to do is remove Simmo the club should do it.
Make the right football decisions not the right financial decision.

We are a financial powerhouse because we make smart financial decisions, not in spite of it. A likely outcome would be that Simmo moves on but we lose our coaching support staff to supplement the financial hit. We would be as uncompetitive as ever and retain the worst injury list in the league.

If those injury problems can be reversed in another off season then why not let Simmo continue to steer the ship? He doesn't oversee S&C and he's not the list manager or head of footy.

I've seen enough change in the way we play our footy alone to believe the course has been corrected, but there's only so much you can do with half a fit list. The weekends effort was poor, to put it mildly, but progress is not linear.
 
I don't have faith in the natural cycle argument that assumes we'll bounce back just because. It doesn't work like that especially given that a big cohort of our senior players are on their last legs and any revival will need to come from the ground up through the draft. The coach has an enormous role in guiding the composition of a future list as he has had creating this one.
 
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I'm fine with Simmo staying to help with the re-build but let's spend that money to beef up around him even if we go over the cap.

The compounding nature of the soft cap tax makes it almost impossible to justify at this point in our rebuild. Once we have our new look list I would definitely be for it. Get another coach, spend more on the S&C program, try to unlock the last 5% to have another tilt at a flag.
 
We are a financial powerhouse because we make smart financial decisions, not in spite of it. A likely outcome would be that Simmo moves on but we lose our coaching support staff to supplement the financial hit. We would be as uncompetitive as ever and retain the worst injury list in the league.

If those injury problems can be reversed in another off season then why not let Simmo continue to steer the ship? He doesn't oversee S&C and he's not the list manager or head of footy.

I've seen enough change in the way we play our footy alone to believe the course has been corrected, but there's only so much you can do with half a fit list. The weekends effort was poor, to put it mildly, but progress is not linear.

The point is that we have a bucket load of cash, if we lose 2-3 million moving Simmo on then that is probably a good decision and lets face it we budgeted to spend it by employing him so it's not really a loss.
 
The point is that we have a bucket load of cash, if we lose 2-3 million moving Simmo on then that is probably a good decision and lets face it we budgeted to spend it by employing him so it's not really a loss.

But we didn’t budget to spend it on paying him out, and then spending a bunch more on his replacement, and then a bunch on top of that on luxury tax.
 
The compounding nature of the soft cap tax makes it almost impossible to justify at this point in our rebuild. Once we have our new look list I would definitely be for it. Get another coach, spend more on the S&C program, try to unlock the last 5% to have another tilt at a flag.

Thats just a money saving attitude. What you say may happen, probably will as we are so conservative but what should happen is one simple question. Do we believe Adam will be our next premiership coach? Yes Or No. If it is No then he should be removed immediately. Money should not even be discussed or come into it.
 
We have the money and then some, it is of no consequence to our club to do that.

We also have the money to put a massive statue of a fire-breathing Eagle out the front of Lathlain Park. It doesn’t mean that would be a sensible thing to do.
 
We also have the money to put a massive statue of a fire-breathing Eagle out the front of Lathlain Park. It doesn’t mean that would be a sensible thing to do.

I beg to differ. A few thousand dollars spent to inflict fear on all visitors and our little brothers down the road?

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. The coach has an enormous role in guiding the composition of a future list as he has had creating this one.
Yes, which is why we appear to be recruiting players to complement the new game style, as well as bringing in a new S&C coach to assist with implementing a new program to get the players in physical condition to be able to execute.

These thing take 3+ years to bear fruit. Bringing in a new coach, new fitness program, etc will only set the club back even further, as a new coach will want to overhaul everything, just one year after its already been overhauled.

Then, if you get rid of new people who've only had 1-2 pre seasons to show results, you're not going to be able to attract the 'best & brightest' from interstate, with the axe looming over them because the club lacks patience.

That's how you end up like Carlton/Essendon. Big clubs who have been irrelevant for over 20 years because they kept trying to rush things, which inevitably lead to bad appointments, continual staff turnover, division at board level, etc.

I'd rather the club, at the very least, give Simmo until the end of his current contract and see what the results of a new fitness program, game plan and recruitment strategy show after at least 2-3 seasons. Because if you put an inexperienced coach in charge right now, you're going to sack him in 2 years and the cycle will some repeat itself. You will then bleed talented interstate players, who eant to go back home due to the unrest at the club.

The players still appear to support Simmo, so unless he's lost them, then he may as well see out his contract.
 
I mean....that would be f**king cool....

I beg to differ. A few thousand dollars spent to inflict fear on all visitors and our little brothers down the road?

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I guess it could also be used as a distraction.

Reporter: Trevor, you’ve now lost three quarters of your playing list to soft tissue injuries, and sources say there’s mounting evidence that your strength and conditioning department is conducting an illegal organ harvesting operation. Do you still insist there’s no need for an independent review?
Nisbett: Umm … <presses button> Look at this!
Giant Eagle statue: <breathes fire>
Reporters: Ooooh!!!!!
 
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