Coach Adam Simpson Megathread est. 2017 - Staying for 2024, Lyon’s Cryin’

[greatwhiteshark]

Yes, which is why we appear to be recruiting players to complement the new game style, as well as bringing in a new S&C coach to assist with implementing a new program to get the players in physical condition to be able to execute.

These thing take 3+ years to bear fruit. Bringing in a new coach, new fitness program, etc will only set the club back even further, as a new coach will want to overhaul everything, just one year after its already been overhauled.

Then, if you get rid of new people who've only had 1-2 pre seasons to show results, you're not going to be able to attract the 'best & brightest' from interstate, with the axe looming over them because the club lacks patience.

That's how you end up like Carlton/Essendon. Big clubs who have been irrelevant for over 20 years because they kept trying to rush things, which inevitably lead to bad appointments, continual staff turnover, division at board level, etc.

I'd rather the club, at the very least, give Simmo until the end of his current contract and see what the results of a new fitness program, game plan and recruitment strategy show after at least 2-3 seasons. Because if you put an inexperienced coach in charge right now, you're going to sack him in 2 years and the cycle will some repeat itself. You will then bleed talented interstate players, who eant to go back home due to the unrest at the club.

The players still appear to support Simmo, so unless he's lost them, then he may as well see out his contract.

Players always say and appear to support their coach.
The club would not be set back further getting a new coach, it would in fact get things moving in the right direction much quicker. New program < new message, new non negotiables, New world. No downside at all if thats the step they take.

 

[DanWCE]

Thats just a money saving attitude. What you say may happen, probably will as we are so conservative but what should happen is one simple question. Do we believe Adam will be our next premiership coach? Yes Or No. If it is No then he should be removed immediately. Money should not even be discussed or come into it.

I'd like to see him in charge with a fit list to make that call.

What I genuinely believe is whoever would step into his shoes if we pushed Simmo out right now would also not be around to lead our side to a premiership, and so I'm of the 'better the devil you know' camp. He is a seasoned coach who is there on a long deal to take the heat so it's not on the kids coming through. Any new development coach would wilt under the heat, as history shows us, and then you run in quick sand replacing coaches instead of progressing.

 

[Chump Change]

I don't have faith in the natural cycle argument that assumes we'll bounce back just because. It doesn't work like that especially given that a big cohort of our senior players are on their last legs and any revival will need to come from the ground up through the draft. The coach has an enormous role in guiding the composition of a future list as he has had creating this one.

The "natural cycle" is the draft. If you don't get a top 10 pick for 10 years as well as trade in ex pats during a flag window, sooner or later you're going to hit the iceberg. Our senior players fell over injury wise so we hit the iceberg quicker and harder. I would argue this is a blessing in disguise. The other part of the cycle is that when you're shit you get a few years to draft some of the best young talent in the country. This is by no means a guarantee. <uncle roger>About a decade ago Dees and Tigers fuct tit up</uncle roger>. But if you draft well, you can rebuild a side, hopefully into a flag side.

So the current list - built by Simmo (or his team) and won a flag. It hasn't fallen over because of him. it ran it's natural course and that natural course was "lights out early, our hamstrings are done".

 

[bzparkes]

Players always say and appear to support their coach.
The club would not be set back further getting a new coach, it would in fact get things moving in the right direction much quicker. New program < new message, new non negotiables, New world. No downside at all if thats the step they take.

There's heaps of downside. New doesn't necessarily = better. In fact, on average, especially in the AFL, new tends to = much worse until you cycle through enough coaches to finally luck out on one that gets you to a flag.

 

[Chump Change]

We have the money and then some, it is of no consequence to our club to do that.

Who do you want? And what do you think a different coach will bring in the next 2 years. I'm sort of fond of those top 5 draft picks.

 

[Godfather32]

I guess it could also be used as a distraction.

Reporter: Trevor, you’ve now lost three quarters of your playing list to soft tissue injuries, and sources say there’s mounting evidence that your strength and conditioning department is conducting an illegal organ harvesting operation. Do you still insist there’s no need for an independent review?
Nisbett: Umm … <presses button> Look at this!
Giant Eagle statue: <breathes fire>
Reporters: Ooooh!!!!!

How about we mount a series of fire breathing eagles around the top of the stadium, they can be part of our pre-game (obviously after Auzzie has done her flight) and half time rev-up routine? Beats some c**kwomble playing guitar at any rate

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Who do you want? And what do you think a different coach will bring in the next 2 years. I'm sort of fond of those top 5 draft picks.

New coach should not effect draft picks

 

[Chump Change]

I ucking hate c**kwombles.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

If the board does not believe Adam Simpson will be our next Premiership coach then it is very much the sensible thing to do.

The board’s done nothing but back him over and over again. What makes you think they’ll suddenly backflip on that?

 

[Chump Change]

New coach should not effect draft picks

I think we'd be similarly shit but I'm wary of a new coach coming in and getting quick wins that get us nowhere. I'd rather Simmo just take the heat for 2 years. I'd probably swap him for Pyke if available but if we're going to new coach territory, lets wait a couple of years and hand him half a decent list.

 

[Chump Change]

The board’s done nothing but back him over and over again. What makes you think they’ll suddenly backflip on that?

They all back coaches right up until their own positions are questioned, then they do an instant 180. I don't think that will happen this season though. If we win 3 games or less this season (a reasonable possibility), I'd expect some robust discussions at the end of the year and still a chance to hold their nerve.

 

[Monocle]

Make the right football decisions not the right financial decision.

Trev NI$b€€t just read this and has had a serious stoke after he burst a major blood vessel .

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

They all back coaches right up until their own positions are questioned, then they do an instant 180. I don't think that will happen this season though. If we win 3 games or less this season (a reasonable possibility), I'd expect some robust discussions at the end of the year and still a chance to hold their nerve.

Why would board members feel that their positions are in jeopardy? They’re not elected.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The board’s done nothing but back him over and over again. What makes you think they’ll suddenly backflip on that?

I am saying what i think should happen. A sensible football decision by our club is not something I am holding my breath for.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I am saying what i think should happen. A sensible football decision by our club is not something I am holding my breath for.

Yes, well we’ll have to agree to disagree over whether burning an enormous pile of money is a sensible decision or not.

 

[Chump Change]

Why would board members feel that their positions are in jeopardy? They’re not elected.

Dunno, but the board meetings would be good given they have a couple of air hostesses to serve drinks.

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[Balls In]

So the current list - built by Simmo (or his team) and won a flag. It hasn't fallen over because of him. it ran it's natural course and that natural course was "lights out early, our hamstrings are done".

Simpson inherited most of the premiership list and its since been run it into the ground. The other clubs who have remained in contention without crashing their lists haven't done that. Geelong and Collingwood for example. Also the lack of development. We've had some likely sorts come into the system and just stall.

 

[Goroyals22]

They all back coaches right up until their own positions are questioned, then they do an instant 180. I don't think that will happen this season though. If we win 3 games or less this season (a reasonable possibility), I'd expect some robust discussions at the end of the year and still a chance to hold their nerve.

Outside of Justin Langer and Teflon Trev tell us who is the board and where any pressure of coming from?? No one know them, no one cares who they are and the members can’t give them the flick…all the eagles board is really is a place to tick a box, enjoy a good tea and drinks every month at the members expense and hang around so they can nominate each other for life membership and do a speech at the f&b and every goes who the f is that and we get “loyal club servant” when in reality it is who they know who got them there in the first place.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Simpson inherited most of the premiership list

Apart from Sheed, Barrass, Yeo, Rioli, Ryan, Venables, Vardy, Redden, Jetta, Duggan and Cole, sure, he inherited the premiership side.

 

[Chump Change]

Simpson inherited most of the premiership list and its since been run it into the ground. The other clubs who have remained in contention without crashing their lists haven't done that. Geelong and Collingwood for example. Also the lack of development. We've had some likely sorts come into the system and just stall.

Geelong won 3 flags in 07, 09, 11. Part of those flag sides were a very young Selwood and Hawkins. Then they drafted in Danger and Cameron. In our '18 flag, our young players were Venables, Duggan, and Cole. Neither of those have even close to the talent of Selwood and Hawkins. it's almost impossible for any club to replicate what Geelong did.

As for Collingwood - done well but got a pair of Daicai as F/S. Also hard to replicate. Doable, but not easy.

We had no top 10 picks for 10 years and our senior players have had massive injury problems.

A few questions for you:

1. What moves would have you made to avoid crashing our list? And were you calling for this at the time?

2. If you were coach and "saved" our list, where do you think we would be now (approx. ladder position)?

3. Why do you think crashing the list is a bad thing?

 

[Chump Change]

Outside of Justin Langer and Teflon Trev tell us who is the board and where any pressure of coming from?? No one know them, no one cares who they are and the members can’t give them the flick…all the eagles board is really is a place to tick a box, enjoy a good tea and drinks every month at the members expense and hang around so they can nominate each other for life membership and do a speech at the f&b and every goes who the f is that and we get “loyal club servant” when in reality it is who they know who got them there in the first place.

Don't the WAFC appoint them and turn them over regularly? Apart from Nizzy of course.

One thing I'm mindful of - when you have board members elected by the members, you get shit fights and factions. 4 flags tells us it works to some degree. But if they can't fix the injury issues, I'm on your side.

 

[Matera92]

We also have the money to put a massive statue of a fire-breathing Eagle out the front of Lathlain Park. It doesn’t mean that would be a sensible thing to do.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD DO.

 

[Matera92]

Yes, well we’ll have to agree to disagree over whether burning an enormous pile of money is a sensible decision or not.

What if we used a giant fire breathing eagle to do it though...

 

[Balls In]

Geelong won 3 flags in 07, 09, 11. Part of those flag sides were a very young Selwood and Hawkins. Then they drafted in Danger and Cameron. In our '18 flag, our young players were Venables, Duggan, and Cole. Neither of those have even close to the talent of Selwood and Hawkins. it's almost impossible for any club to replicate what Geelong did.

As for Collingwood - done well but got a pair of Daicai as F/S. Also hard to replicate. Doable, but not easy.

We had no top 10 picks for 10 years and our senior players have had massive injury problems.

A few questions for you:

1. What moves would have you made to avoid crashing our list? And were you calling for this at the time?

2. If you were coach and "saved" our list, where do you think we would be now (approx. ladder position)?

3. Why do you think crashing the list is a bad thing?

I'm sick and tired of the excuses. The club is an embarrassing disgrace and Simmo needed to go in 2021 when he underperformed for the third straight year with the list he had. The recruitment fails and lack of development is extra to that.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I'm sick and tired of the excuses. The club is an embarrassing disgrace and Simmo needed to go in 2021 when he underperformed for the third straight year with the list he had. The recruitment fails and lack of development is extra to that.

Just 2021? You joined in May 2018 and you’ve been calling him a shit coach since June 2018.