Coach Adam Simpson Megathread est. 2017 - Staying for 2024, Lyon’s Cryin’

[Truly Lazuli]

Here you go

Important to note this was written on Monday morning before the decision to

And also that he was alledgedly told he had the job and even had a goodbye dinner with some of the Freo staffers before being given the news that Simmo came in and pipped him.


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That would be a really hard pill to swallow, thinking you were guaranteed to finally get a senior coaching gig with the team you played for no less, only for it to turn to dust. Hard not to be bitter about that. But it's been a while now, time to let go and be a bit more rational with your commentary and behaviour.

 

[matthew_s]

comfortable we've retained Simpson under the circumstances but if anyone believes he wouldn't have been gone if we had been able to negotiate an exit without the huge payout and soft cap issues, they are delusional.

 

[UseR2006]

Cousins weighs in on Eagles’ decision to keep Simpson

Former West Coast captain Ben Cousins has weighed in on the Eagles’ decision to retain Adam Simpson as coach.

thewest.com.au

Former West Coast star Ben Cousins has fully endorsed the Eagles’ decision to retain Adam Simpson as coach, saying he is clearly the best option to lead the team into the next era.

Cousins said keeping Simpson was the correct decision.

“I thought it was a great result,” Cousins told 7News.

“I think it shows solidarity from within the footy club and the fact they haven’t been dictated to by external noise. We all know how hard that is to ignore. I think Simpson’s experience will be invaluable going forward.

“Make no mistake, West Coast has got some real hard work and heavy lifting still to be done but, for me, I think he’s the right man for the job.
“When I heard the decision on Monday, I actually felt really good about it. By being a West Coast man, I felt like it was the right move.”

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On Suma, did he apply for the Freo gig after Lyon was kicked out? If so then he might have been even more salty when the current coach (who was a Simmo assistant) got the gig.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

There is some reporting that before the vote there was a keep simmo camp, which included Fitzpatrick, Gaines and Langer and a sack simmo camp which included Nisbett, Rowan Jones and Ben Wyatt.

Once it became clear that the Keep Simmo camp had a 5-3 majority the board voted unanimously in favour of retaining Simpson.

The board organising themselves to vote in an unanimous fashion is good corporate governance.

The nature of the split in views is interesting.

The board comprising largely of corporate types without football expertise not being persuaded by the views of the only boar member with previous experience as a player (Jones) or its CEO is extremely concerning.

I think that is the implied message when reporting states that the vote hastens Nisbett’s exit.

 

[Spod]

I think that is the implied message when reporting states that the vote hastens Nisbett’s exit.

All seems easy enough to believe. I think between this and the anti-Simmo leaks which have had such a pro-Nizzy stink to them it is now very hard to see how the club could start next year without a new CEO. Just get it over with.

 

[UseR2006]

And as I said earlier, it's better for the club to move King Nissie on and get a new CEO who can look over everything with fresh eyes.
No point having Nissie stick around to pick the replacement coach if there is to be one. Just would have given him an excuse to extend his own tenure again.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

All seems easy enough to believe. I think between this and the anti-Simmo leaks which have had such a pro-Nizzy stink to them it is now very hard to see how the club could start next year without a new CEO. Just get it over with.

I don’t think Nisbett has ever lost a stare down like this before. It’s quite a statement that the board decided not to share his view as CEO on a football operations issue like the senior coach.

Simmo is made of very tough stuff, I just hope it doesn’t end up in a situation where the club is severely damaged as it works through the next 12-24 months. We don’t want to go scorched earth.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

There is some reporting that before the vote there was a keep simmo camp, which included Fitzpatrick, Gaines and Langer and a sack simmo camp which included Nisbett, Rowan Jones and Ben Wyatt.

Once it became clear that the Keep Simmo camp had a 5-3 majority the board voted unanimously in favour of retaining Simpson.

The board organising themselves to vote in an unanimous fashion is good corporate governance.

The nature of the split in views is interesting.

The board comprising largely of corporate types without football expertise not being persuaded by the views of the clubs football director (Jones) or its CEO is extremely concerning.

I think that is the implied message when reporting states that the vote hastens Nisbett’s exit.

Jones may be the only director with top-level football experience but as far as I know he’s not the “football director”.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

Jones may be the only director with top-level football experience but as far as I know he’s not the “football director”.

Maybe I got his title wrong, I will update my post, but the sentiment remains the same- the board listened to the only member on the board with football experience (Jones) and the only person with Football operations experience and CEO (Nisbett) and the majority formed a different view on an important operations issue.

That is an extremely precarious place for the board to find itself.

 

[EagleMan87]

Maybe I got his title wrong, I will update my post, but the sentiment remains the same- the board listened to the only member on the board with football experience (Jones) and the only person with Football operations experience and CEO (Nisbett) and the majority formed a different view on an important operations issue.

That is an extremely precarious place for the board to find itself.

If true. And even then, meh.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Maybe I got his title wrong, I will update my post, but the sentiment remains the same- the board listened to the only member on the board with football experience (Jones) and the only person with Football operations experience and CEO (Nisbett) and the majority formed a different view on an important operations issue.

That is an extremely precarious place for the board to find itself.

Given the whole “one of Nisbett or Simpson has to go” narrative through the year, i wouldn’t be too concerned that they ignored Nisbett’s opinion that Simpson had to go. And I don’t think Jones is there for his footballing experience.

That’s a bigger concern. They need to get more actual football people on the board.

 

[Ghossein]

The board comprising largely of corporate types without football expertise not being persuaded by the views of the only boar member with previous experience as a player (Jones) or its CEO is extremely concerning.

I might be one of the few here that think the board's make up is actually exactly what you'd want it to be.

Fitzpatrick was a partner at CU managing the Perth office and has been involved in the sporting industry for a number of years. Gaines is an experienced executive with deep connections into WA's biggest industry. Wyatt was treasurer of our state and would still hold a number of invaluable contacts in the state government.

Also with Jones being quite high up in Euroz he's arguably just as 'corporate' as any of the other board members.

 

[Ghossein]

Having a board monoculture of past footballers isn't actually a good idea

 

[Dylan82]

Given the whole “one of Nisbett or Simpson has to go” narrative through the year, i wouldn’t be too concerned that they ignored Nisbett’s opinion that Simpson had to go. And I don’t think Jones is there for his footballing experience.

That’s a bigger concern. They need to get more actual football people on the board.

Strong rumours continue to persist around Worsfold and Pyke assuming positions over the near term, so that need may well be in the process of being addressed.

 

[Chris_6678]

Water would be a good option for the board. He was involved in footy as a leader and is high up the business world atm.

 

[Dom sheed pocket]

I might be one of the few here that think the board's make up is actually exactly what you'd want it to be.

Fitzpatrick was a partner at CU managing the Perth office and has been involved in the sporting industry for a number of years. Gaines is an experienced executive with deep connections into WA's biggest industry. Wyatt was treasurer of our state and would still hold a number of invaluable contacts in the state government.

Also with Jones being quite high up in Euroz he's arguably just as 'corporate' as any of the other board members.

I’m not concerned about the composition of the board.

I’m concerned/fascinated that the board made a decision about the operations of the footy department -senior coach- and formed a different view to the people who have direct experience in the operations of a football club.

 

[Barrybran]

I’m not concerned about the composition of the board.

I’m concerned/fascinated that the board made a decision about the operations of the footy department -senior coach- and formed a different view to the people who have direct experience in the operations of a football club.

In a nutshell, money drove the decision. And so it should. It would be ludicrous to simply move Simmo on and throw millions of dollars down the drain. But there were extenuating circumstances that are arguably more important to resolve and resolving them will provide more context around whether Simmo is the right person moving forward, by which time the payout is much easier to swallow.

 

[Truly Lazuli]

In a nutshell, money drove the decision. And so it should. It would be ludicrous to simply move Simmo on and throw millions of dollars down the drain. But there were extenuating circumstances that are arguably more important to resolve and resolving them will provide more context around whether Simmo is the right person moving forward, by which time the payout is much easier to swallow.

Plus putting a new coach into the current situation would likely clustify the f#ck even more, which makes zero sense.

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

I might be one of the few here that think the board's make up is actually exactly what you'd want it to be.

Fitzpatrick was a partner at CU managing the Perth office and has been involved in the sporting industry for a number of years. Gaines is an experienced executive with deep connections into WA's biggest industry. Wyatt was treasurer of our state and would still hold a number of invaluable contacts in the state government.

Also with Jones being quite high up in Euroz he's arguably just as 'corporate' as any of the other board members.

That Board thought we were going to make finals this year. The whole rest of the industry was laughing at them and calling them delusional. They were supremely arrogant. If everybody is laughing at you (and by everybody i mean a whole universe of people with way more experience in the football industry than most of you) you should at least look in the mirror and think twice. But they didn't. They made absolutely absurd best case scenario assumptions their base case scenario's. They insisted they were right and everybody else was wrong. And they couldn't possibly have been more wrong. Nobody has ever been more wrong about anything ever. And they still can't admit that they were wrong or that they made mistakes. I have no confidence in them at all. I wonder how serious they actually are about making meaningful contributions, or is being on the eagles Board just something to pull in a few bucks for a very minimal time investment and commitment and brag about at the Peppermint Grove cocktail parties until something else comes along for them?

Even now they are still refusing an external review. After the worst season any team has ever had in modern times they are refusing a review. That tells you they are still in denial about what has hapenned. They all need to go IMO. And Langer should have recused himself from any discussions regarding Simpson. I am not saying that because Langer voted to retain Simpson. But it is just obvious and logical that you can't be unbiased and impartial about your own best mate. I know if i was on a Board that employed my best mate i could never vote for him to be sacked. Langer should have recused himself.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

Funny.The board got effusive praise on here for their "unanimous decision". Suma says the board wasnt unanimous in their decision and gets slagged off by a few posters. The Snitch [ whoever he may be ] comes out in todays rag and names the three board members who disagreed. Suma soumds like he was on the money.
Anyhow moving on...

 

[EagleMan87]

Funny.The board got effusive praise on here for their "unanimous decision". Suma says the board wasnt unanimous in their decision and gets slagged off by a few posters. The Snitch [ whoever he may be ] comes out in todays rag and names the three board members who disagreed. Suma soumds like he was on the money.
Anyhow moving on...

The board made the decision to back Simmo in unanimously, but I don't think anyone's arguing that there was no dissenting opinions.

 

[Astro7]

Would like to see Woosha on the board. Wonder how that would sit with Simmo?

 

[Ghossein]

I’m not concerned about the composition of the board.

I’m concerned/fascinated that the board made a decision about the operations of the footy department -senior coach- and formed a different view to the people who have direct experience in the operations of a football club.

What's the point of board members if you don't want them to make decisions?

 

[Ghossein]

That Board thought we were going to make finals this year. The whole rest of the industry was laughing at them and calling them delusional. They were supremely arrogant. If everybody is laughing at you (and by everybody i mean a whole universe of people with way more experience in the football industry than most of you) you should at least look in the mirror and think twice. But they didn't. They made absolutely absurd best case scenario assumptions their base case scenario's. They insisted they were right and everybody else was wrong. And they couldn't possibly have been more wrong. Nobody has ever been more wrong about anything ever. And they still can't admit that they were wrong or that they made mistakes.

So you would have rather our board come out and say to our fans, sponsors, and stakeholders 'nah we're going to be shit this year'?

What would they have done differently? Pre-emptively sacked Simmo at the start of the year and incurred an even greater pay-out? Foreseen the injury crisis that struck us in the first derby?

I have no confidence in them at all. I wonder how serious they actually are about making meaningful contributions, or is being on the eagles Board just something to pull in a few bucks for a very minimal time investment and commitment and brag about at the Peppermint Grove cocktail parties until something else comes along for them?

What do you think a board member actually does? It's not a full-time position, and it's not by coincidence that they're all well-connected people.

Even now they are still refusing an external review. After the worst season any team has ever had in modern times they are refusing a review. That tells you they are still in denial about what has hapenned. They all need to go IMO. And Langer should have recused himself from any discussions regarding Simpson. I am not saying that because Langer voted to retain Simpson. But it is just obvious and logical that you can't be unbiased and impartial about your own best mate. I know if i was on a Board that employed my best mate i could never vote for him to be sacked. Langer should have recused himself.

I don't think there's any evidence to suggest that Adam Simpson and Justin Langer are 'best friends'.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Having a board monoculture of past footballers isn't actually a good idea

Agree but the board should be very experienced in football, be that they were a CEO of a WAFL club or have worked deeply in the football industry as well as their career.
I am not sure how qualified any of our board are other than Nisbett to be making a decision about who should be the senior coach of our football club. Nisbett the only one headily involved with football. The rest are just business people.