Coach Adam Simpson Megathread est. 2017 - Staying for 2024, Lyon’s Cryin’

[Dark Sharks]

Cox would be an interesting one.

I'm not sure how I'd feel about that.


He's done a fair old apprenticeship and is due a gig, but it'd be pretty Jobs for the Boiz ish, and I don't want Cox having an existing playing relationship with any of the players he's about to coach.

Or we'll have a credits club carrying over of Gaff, Naitanui, Darling, McGovern, Barrass, Cripps, who he played with previously that isn't getting dropped in 2024-2025 either.

If Cox comes in I'd want a fresh list for him personally. Or just let Schofield take over and do his thing.

 

[Keys]

Ken Hinkley should be available

 

[Deplorable trumpster]

One thing with the potential sacking of Simpson is that Nisbett and the Board & co would have to accept giving up a fair amount of the control they currently have over the direction of the club if they want to hire a new coach. Trying to read the tea leaves from the outside it seems to me that a top down decision has been made and communicated to Simpson that the club does not want to have a bottoming out (i.e. 3 or so year in the bottom 4 racking up draft picks and putting games into young players).

And they have heaped pressure on Simpson by deciding that the official party line and marketing angle for members, sponsors and corporate box holders is (to paraphrase) "a return to success is just around the corner". They have been spruiking likely top 8 finishes. I doubt that in his presentations to the board that Simpson has been telling them we will be back in the 8 this year. And i doubt that the people on board think we will either. But they made a deliberate conscious decision to push that line out to the public, as opposed to trying to sell the club on the angle "Come and watch the young players develop and watch the club take the first step on it's way back to the next premiership in the future", which is more realistic and fair to Simpson. I also think they probably encouraged the happy talk from the like of Schofield and Gossage in the media. They have set supporter expectations fairly high relative to the quality of the list.

If they sack Simpson then any new coach they want to hire will want to go the Sam Mitchell route, i.e. have the club take it's medicine early on in his tenure (like years 1and 2) and will want to cull the older players on the list immediately, get games into young players, get some more early draft picks in, get the club to get the media to set supporter expectations fairly low and then have a move to top 8 contention in year 3 that surprises expectations to the upside that ensures a new contract. So they will want the club to agree to get the pain out the way early, possibly endure a year or two of bottom 4 finishes, and have the club's messaging to the supporters and the club's influence on the media deployed to help set expectations fairly low to give the new coach time before the supporters start bagging him.

People who get senior coaching gigs have usually worked 10 years plus in the coaching industry to get a shot at it. And I would say that 50% of rookie coaches don't get second contracts and 95% of them that get sacked after/during their first contract don't get another senior coaching gig again. The thing that determines whether they get a second contract is usually whether the public perception is one of improvement at the end of year 3 relative to when the coach took over. They will have a hard time finding somebody to take the gig with the list we currently have and agree with caveats of no bottoming out and a media strategy of pumping up expectations. Simpson appears to be copping this on the chin and going along with it but i doubt any prospective new coaches would.

 

[Farang83150]

I'm not sure how I'd feel about that.


He's done a fair old apprenticeship and is due a gig, but it'd be pretty Jobs for the Boiz ish, and I don't want Cox having an existing playing relationship with any of the players he's about to coach.

Or we'll have a credits club carrying over of Gaff, Naitanui, Darling, McGovern, Barrass, Cripps, who he played with previously that isn't getting dropped in 2024-2025 either.

If Cox comes in I'd want a fresh list for him personally. Or just let Schofield take over and do his thing.

I'd take cox over Schofield.
DC been out of the loop long enough for me and I really rate Longmire, would also love to poach some of the swans recruiting staff.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Cox, Hansen, J Graham or Schofield as potential replacements?


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Probably the only names that came to mind for me as well, except I'd add Pyke to the shortlist.

We could always think outside the box and hire someone who didn’t play for West Coast.

Dangerous idea, I know, but occasionally teams have had success with a coach that didn’t play for them.

 

[Farang83150]

We could always think outside the box and hire someone who didn’t play for West Coast.

Dangerous idea, I know, but occasionally teams have had success with a coach that didn’t play for them.

Names?

 

[Kwality]

They will have a hard time finding somebody to take the gig with the list we currently have

The queue starts at Eucla ....

Dean Cox's daughter is 10, if the family intend going home, starting high school is a good time. It counts.

Don Pyke would be a great get.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Names?

Successful coaches that didn’t play for the team they coached?
Scott, Goodwin, Hardwick, Simpson, Clarkson, Longmire…

 

[WCE_phil]

Here is my issue with the club and gameplan right now. This isn't some new thing for 2023. They started trying to roll it out in quarters and halves in the back half of 2021. At the start of games or quarters we would get blown away with it, but used later in quarters and in the big almost comeback against the demons it worked.

We're now 18 months down the track and i'm seeing the same type of gameplan they are trying to implement, but if anything it's looking less competitive now than it did then.

Maybe because while it can work and work well in the past 18 months opposition teams have played more and more that way and their defences have become much better than shutting it down.

There are 3 key issues here. We are too tight in close on stoppages, we don't get a ground ball swarm at the drop of the ball and players running and linking up from behind and thirdly, We no longer have the strong marking targets down the line.

 

[its_dave]

Schofield is my choice. He will already have a good understanding of our last few years draft selections. I dont think Simpson is the coach for our immediate future

 

[Yeo_Check_Out_ma_Flow]

We could always think outside the box and hire someone who didn’t play for West Coast.

Dangerous idea, I know, but occasionally teams have had success with a coach that didn’t play for them.

Nah get ****ed Migs, nepotism for the win.

Boys clubs win cups.

Let a favourite son lead us back to the promised land, etc etc.

 

[Yeo_Check_Out_ma_Flow]

Successful coaches that didn’t play for the team they coached?
Scott, Goodwin, Hardwick, Simpson, Clarkson, Longmire…

I think he's asking who you would suggest otherwise.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I think he's asking who you would suggest otherwise.

I’d suggest that the club does a proper recruitment process and offers the job the person who appears to be the best candidate. Like they did last time, when they picked the Hawthorn assistant and former North Melbourne player over the former West Coast full forward.

 

[Yeo_Check_Out_ma_Flow]

I’d suggest that the club does a proper recruitment process and offers the job the person who appears to be the best candidate. Like they did last time, when they picked the Hawthorn assistant and former North Melbourne player over the former West Coast full forward.

lol OK mate settle down, not sure why you feel you have a bone to pick. We're all out here just shooting the shit and throwing hypotheticals around.

I don't think anyone was really even suggesting that our next coach had to be an ex West Coast player (I certainly never framed my post that way), however it just so happens that probably the majority of the prime candidates at the moment (i.e. names of assistants spoken about for head coaching roles in the media, or well credentialed assistants ready to take the next step) happen to be ex West Coast players.

Just a coincidence. There might be other names to throw out there in this conversation, and if so...why not contribute by suggesting one instead of trying to force an argument for no reason at all?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

lol OK mate settle down, not sure why you feel you have a bone to pick. We're all out here just shooting the s**t and throwing hypotheticals around.

I don't think anyone was really even suggesting that our next coach had to be an ex West Coast player (I certainly never framed my post that way), however it just so happens that probably the majority of the prime candidates at the moment (i.e. names of assistants spoken about for head coaching roles in the media, or well credentialed assistants ready to take the next step) happen to be ex West Coast players.

Just a coincidence. There might be other names to throw out there in this conversation, and if so...why not contribute by suggesting one instead of trying to force an argument for no reason at all?

Didn’t think I was arguing, just pointing out what I’d expect to happen, but ok.

Yze, Caracella, Harvey, Burns, Giansiracusa, Tudor, Solomon … I think David Teague was pretty hard done by at Carlton, if you want me to throw in someone with previous head coach experience.

 

[Rowan18]

Didn’t think I was arguing, just pointing out what I’d expect to happen, but ok.

Yze, Caracella, Harvey, Burns, Giansiracusa, Tudor, Solomon … I think David Teague was pretty hard done by at Carlton, if you want me to throw in someone with previous head coach experience.

Burns is a really interesting one, he seemed close to getting a gig around 10 years ago when we hired Simpson (Adelaide were apparently keen but he wanted more experience first) but you don't hear much about him now. Is he not up to it, or is he just not fashionable at the moment?

 

[the harry]

I think he's asking who you would suggest otherwise.

I thought it was a joke because Simpson won a flag

 

[Dark Sharks]

Whoah whoah, settle down everybody.





Lots of barbs getting thrown around here.

 

[Yeo_Check_Out_ma_Flow]

Didn’t think I was arguing, just pointing out what I’d expect to happen, but ok.

Yze, Caracella, Harvey, Burns, Giansiracusa, Tudor, Solomon … I think David Teague was pretty hard done by at Carlton, if you want me to throw in someone with previous head coach experience.

Fair suggestions. I wouldn't be unhappy with any of them, provided (and I agree with you here of course) the club does its homework and picks the right man for the job.

Whether they're ex West Coast or not, as long as they are the right fit I could care less where they come from.

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[Vic Eagles Member]

And they have heaped pressure on Simpson by deciding that the official party line and marketing angle for members, sponsors and corporate box holders is (to paraphrase) "a return to success is just around the corner". They have been spruiking likely top 8 finishes. I doubt that in his presentations to the board that Simpson has been telling them we will be back in the 8 this year.

Just out of interest, who from the club has been spruiking likely top 8 finishes this year?

The Crows game was a tough watch on Friday. It’s very demoralising when you are struggling to get the ball forward of centre for an entire quarter. If our football is that dire in the season proper and we start getting hammered at home (especially) then the club are probably obliged to look at other options.
Traditionally we aren’t a club that sacks a coach mid season and I think it would need to get extremely ugly for it to get to that point.

 

[Monocle]

Hird? Would make games against Essington a whole lot more interesting

I wouldn't want that festering turd anywhere near our Club.

 

[Goroyals22]

I wouldn't want that festering turd anywhere near our Club.

As horrendous as the thought is we currently have plenty of the same type of people running the club

 

[Wild Kelly]

As horrendous as the thought is we currently have plenty of the same type of people running the club

F*** me you post some absolute sh*t most of the time.

 

[Truly Lazuli]

I wouldn't want that festering turd anywhere near our Club.

Sheedy could come on board as footy manager

 

[CountryLad]

It's pre-season folks. Note the word 'pre'.

We got belted by 70 points in the 2018 pre-season derby and everyone said the Dockers were 'closer to a flag'. Obviously it ain't ideal but you're an idiot if you think a pre-season loss (or win) points to a greater or lesser likelihood of actual season success.

The old back to the future….whilst I would agree that only so much can be read into a preseason game current form and the last few seasons is what we should judge by and it’s been very ordinary of late. (Trend is your friend)

Look at our last 30 games of football.

We had played in 3 straight finals series prior to 2018 and one of those was a grand final.

It isn’t 2018 and lighting won’t strike on this group twice.

All we can hope for realistically is that it’s not as bad as last year and we will know that answer in about 6 weeks time.