Coach Adam Simpson Megathread est. 2017 - Staying for 2024, Lyon’s Cryin’

[Goroyals22]

Jeezus Mate. Shall we blame him for pushing Humpty Dumpty off the wall.
Our guys who went off the rails did so in their own time with no encouragement from Trev. Not so much the essendon saga where players were ENCOURAGED to take peds.
Remember the motto? WHATEVER IT TAKES from the Essendon mob? Well they took it with a large push from Hird and friends.
I have not posted for a while but will make an exception for someone who posts ALL the time just to kick the club.
Go support Freo will you.

So it wasn’t Trevor that continually turned a blind eye when confronted with what was going on from the start of the judge years??

Ok… it must be a different Trevor who was at the club at that time…. He isn’t called the godfather of wa football for nothing. He knows where all the bodies are buried.

 

[Feeling Groovy]

My understanding is West Coast went to the AFL about the drug issues (albeit no doubt after some of it was being reported) and the AFL told them it was their internal issue and to sort it out or face sanctions etc. The AFL washed its hands and West Coast floundered in its handling.

The whole system was different then and because of the issues that came to light, lots of changes were made at all clubs including at the AFL itself. One of these changes was more off field behaviour type clauses, in contracts giving clubs/ the AFL greater flexibility/ grounds to sack players without being sued/ risking substantial claims from the players.

Trev may not have handled things well but he wasn’t alone in that and it can hardly be equated with a systemic “doping” regime. That said, a succession plan would be nice and I would personally prefer he moved on sooner rather than later.

 

[Balls In]

Decision by about the halfway mark of the season hopefully. If as I suspect we've completely bombed that would be the time to give Simmo the arse. A new coach with time enough to get a few new things going in the back half of the season ahead of another look at the high end of the draft.

 

[VicBased]

So it wasn’t Trevor that continually turned a blind eye when confronted with what was going on from the start of the judge years??

Ok… it must be a different Trevor who was at the club at that time…. He isn’t called the godfather of wa football for nothing. He knows where all the bodies are buried.

Look, who knows what went on in the background but I can't see the point of airing the laundry 25 years later.

 

[TheNewAnchor]

Look, who knows what went on in the background but I can't see the point of airing the laundry 25 years later.

Good point VB, it's the same old reaction when things aren't going well (or, this early in the season, perceived not to be going well) that the hand wringers and gun jumpers come to the fore. Some people just thrive on misery, sad really.

 

[the harry]

Decision by about the halfway mark of the season hopefully. If as I suspect we've completely bombed that would be the time to give Simmo the arse. A new coach with time enough to get a few new things going in the back half of the season ahead of another look at the high end of the draft.

Are we bombing because of the list or the coach?

 

[PremiershipNo4]

Are we bombing because of the list or the coach?

It’s gotta be the list, sign Simmo up for another 5 year extension, he’s the man!

 

[Doashuey]

Look, if we are going to sack Simmo, I have only 2 provisos.
1) it is done mid-season prior to Hinkly getting sacked so we pick up a new coach immediately and we dont end up with Hinkly
2) It happens sometime after Hinkly gets sacked and Carlton sign him up on a 5 year deal- so we dont end up with Hinkly.

 

[Dylan82]

Are we bombing because of the list or the coach?

Both.


The list is full of very limited players.

The coach then keeps trying to use said limited players in roles well beyond their capability.

 

[Balls In]

Are we bombing because of the list or the coach?

List has grossly under performed since 2018 while in it's prime and now it's both cooked and poorly coached. Do you think Simmo is the right bloke to take the next generation through?

 

[WCErevival]

Both.


The list is full of very limited players.

The coach then keeps trying to use said limited players in roles well beyond their capability.


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Bit of a strange gif to use. Dangerfield is one of the fastest players in the league.

 

[Dylan82]

Bit of a strange gif to use. Dangerfield is one of the fastest players in the league.

That's the point.

It doesn't take much to conclude that using a player like O'Neill to mark Dangerfield one-on-one at stoppages is a terrible mismatch and would provide this outcome.

And yet it still happened.

 

[Cuzz09]

That's the point.

It doesn't take much to conclude that using a player like O'Neill to mark Dangerfield one-on-one at stoppages is a terrible mismatch and would provide this outcome.

And yet it still happened.

Should've put one of our other speedsters on danger. Like.... Ummm

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[Dark Sharks]

Should've put one of our other speedsters on danger. Like.... Ummm

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Culley

 

[the harry]

List has grossly under performed since 2018 while in it's prime and now it's both cooked and poorly coached. Do you think Simmo is the right bloke to take the next generation through?

Up until half time in that last Richmond game when it trained in 2019 we were top 4. That and the Hawks game screwed us.

I agree we've underperformed but even if we had essendon 2000 team last year we would have struggled given covid availability and injuries so despite 2 wins I'm not off simpson yet.

I'd like us to be more competitive and have a % closer to 80-85% this season. But I can't tell if Simpson developing the youth poorly so it's okay on for me.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

There is no way we would go for Hinkley the bloke has done F.A with Port over a long period, he may become a senior assistant or something like that but not a senior coach, he may head to Gold Coast or a Melbourne side as coach.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

List has grossly under performed since 2018 while in it's prime and now it's both cooked and poorly coached. Do you think Simmo is the right bloke to take the next generation through?

When we talk about our prime I'd argue we don't look "since 2018" but "since 2015".

Hell, we made a Prelim in 2011 and should have done at least that well in 2012 if our forward line wasn't so decimated with injuries. We were one of the preseason favourites.

2015-2018 we won more finals and overall games than anyone, and played off in two grand finals for one premiership. A 4/5 year window is what most teams that aren't Geelong are afforded. We tried to keep going with an aging list and here we are.

 

[RookiePick]

I still feel like we were a chance in 2019. I had been getting more confident as the week passed leaing up to the semi. Then we got off the plane into gatorade storm and that was that.

We had been pretty lackadaisical in our approach during the season but we still had a top gear the side could go to when the fancy took them and I feel like we were close enough to the big show that the lads could have turned it on for a few weeks.

Since then we declined very sharply unfortunately between injury, form and appetite.

 

[Farang83150]

I don't get why people are saying we shouldn't target Dean Cox

Dean Cox

Age

43

Ht

203cm

Wt

107kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

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Last 5

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15.9

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

6.9

4star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.5

3star

G

0.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

5.8

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

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1.4

4star

G

0.0

1star

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This'll be I think his 6th yr away from WC.
IMO he couldn't be at a better place to carry on his apprenticeship than the swans.
Would be stoked to get him as Simmos replacement when the time comes and would love if he could bring some other swans staff with him.

 

[RookiePick]

I don't get why people are saying we shouldn't target Dean Cox,
This'll be I think his 6th yr away from WC.
IMO he couldn't be at a better place to carry on his apprenticeship than the swans.
Would be stoked to get him as Simmos replacement when the time comes and would love if he could bring some other swans staff with him.

I don't mind the idea of Cox but I reckon Naita and any of the crew he played with need to be gone, so he has a clean slate with the playing group.

 

[Farang83150]

Don't recon it makes FA diff myself, he's been away a long time.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Is Cox a good coach?

 

[bzparkes]

I don't get why people are saying we shouldn't target Dean Cox,
This'll be I think his 6th yr away from WC.
IMO he couldn't be at a better place to carry on his apprenticeship than the swans.
Would be stoked to get him as Simmos replacement when the time comes and would love if he could bring some other swans staff with him.

If Simmo is gone, then I'd prefer Hansen. Apparently we approached him before he took the Carlton role but he stayed in Vic for personal commitments.

I imagine a head coaching role would be a far more attractive proposition than an assistant role.

Regardless of him being a premiership player, he's a damn good coach with a great record at VFL level.

 

[Farang83150]

Is Cox a good coach?

Has as much cred as any other assistant out there I'd imagine and has been involved in an extremely well run system at the swans, so yeah I'd defo take a punt on him.

 

[Keys]

Up until half time in that last Richmond game when it trained in 2019 we were top 4. That and the Hawks game screwed us.

I agree we've underperformed but even if we had essendon 2000 team last year we would have struggled given covid availability and injuries so despite 2 wins I'm not off simpson yet.

I'd like us to be more competitive and have a % closer to 80-85% this season. But I can't tell if Simpson developing the youth poorly so it's okay on for me.

This is the 2019 ladder at the conclusion of the H&A season



Missed 4th by percentage and only one win (and significant percentage to be fair) off top spot. Two games clear of 6th

By way of comparison we finished 2018 in 2nd with 16 wins and a percentage of 121.4. So only one win less and a percentage differential that equates to just over a goal less per game across the season

We won our home elimination final comfortably against Essendon before losing the semi to Geelong after leading at 3/4 time

To say we grossly underperformed in 2019 is silly. Certainly didn’t go as far as we hoped but were thereabouts for most of the year. That said we dropped off at some critical times during the season (like the Hawthorn game) to indicate we weren’t quite as switched on as 2018

I’ve said it before but our downfall coincided with the emergence of covid in 2020. That’s not intended to use covid as an excuse but the club as a whole responded poorly to the challenges presented. Standards slipped and we all saw the results

The challenge for Simpson this year is to reestablish those standards (which from a training point of view seems to have happened) and to navigate the transition of the list by balancing short term results with development for future years