Traded Adam Treloar [traded with #26, #33 and #42 to Bulldogs for #14 and 2021 R2]

[Footy Smarts]

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NO! You mean the final outcome is what anyone with the slightest bit of logic could see from a mile away?

 

[Virgin Dog]

It says a lot that the pies pushed to have their portion back ended. Must still be very tight the next couple of years.

Must have been in a shocking position for 2021. I'd imagine they were breaching the cap by $1mil+ without the moves they made this offseason.

With Stephenson and Treloar gone, and when Beams/Langdon are no longer on the books, they should easily fit that backended portion of Treloar's contract into the cap without losing anyone else. Just boggles the mind how it got to this state in the first place

 

[doggies ftw]

I still dont understand why the two clubs had to agree as to how much gets paid each year.

Think about it. Its two separate contracts and two separate salary caps. So long as Treloar gets his full amount at the end of said contracts whats the big deal?

Treloar has to agree to be back ended too, I can’t imagine he’d be to keen on that. He’s obviously not short of a quid but there’s a big opportunity cost lost each year he doesn’t have that money in his pocket, why should he help out pies again by back ending? Maybe he wasn’t willing to do that so we’ve negotiated with Pies to cover it up front first couple of years.

 

[Suma Magic]

Must have been in a shocking position for 2021. I'd imagine they were breaching the cap by $1mil+ without the moves they made this offseason.

With Stephenson and Treloar gone, and when Beams/Langdon are no longer on the books, they should easily fit that backended portion of Treloar's contract into the cap without losing anyone else. Just boggles the mind how it got to this state in the first place

I think the fact that the pies couldn’t afford their share next year would be more painful for pies fans than the fact that they are paying $1.5m. Kills the hope that they had cleared enough space for a free agent.

 

[Virgin Dog]

Treloar has to agree to be back ended too, I can’t imagine he’d be to keen on that. He’s obviously not short of a quid but there’s a big opportunity cost lost each year he doesn’t have that money in his pocket, why should he help out pies again by back ending? Maybe he wasn’t willing to do that so we’ve negotiated with Pies to cover it up front first couple of years.

Treloar has been pretty generous throughout his career on this matter. Have to wonder just how much money he essentially loses over the course of his career due to inflation thanks to backending constantly

 

[Marcel Proust]

 

[doggies ftw]

Treloar has been pretty generous throughout his career on this matter. Have to wonder just how much money he essentially loses over the course of his career due to inflation thanks to backending constantly

Yep, not to mention that in such a massive bull market right now any half decent financial advisor (which any player on 900k would have id imagine) should be able to get him 10% returns with his eyes closed, or property etc. You’re talking in the hundreds of thousands he could be missing out on

 

[Marcel Proust]

Yep, not to mention that in such a massive bull market right now any half decent financial advisor (which any player on 900k would have id imagine) should be able to get him 10% returns with his eyes closed, or property etc. You’re talking in the hundreds of thousands he could be missing out on

How do you get ten percent returns?

 

[Marcel Proust]

I think the fact that the pies couldn’t afford their share next year would be more painful for pies fans than the fact that they are paying $1.5m. Kills the hope that they had cleared enough space for a free agent.

Can they afford de goey?

Paying 1.5 million to a guy to not play football for Collingwood is rather remarkable

 

[adogsfan5]

I think the fact that the pies couldn’t afford their share next year would be more painful for pies fans than the fact that they are paying $1.5m. Kills the hope that they had cleared enough space for a free agent.

They’re getting the Bont aren’t they? LOL

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

This is why it's so incompetent of Collingwood not to have evidence of what the dogs offer was. Collingwood are the one who are obliged to ensure Treloar receives $900k

I dont agree with this. I think the incompentence is with all parties. This was a rush job and it shouild have never gone through. Its not up to collingwood to pick up the extra money. It is up to all 3 parties to agree to terms and sort it out. It should have been done before the trade got through.
That you think that the dogs could claim any amount and the Pies would have to pay the rest with out tthe Pies signing an agreement show the lack of logic in your argument.

 

[adogsfan5]

I dont agree with this. I think the incompentence is with all parties. This was a rush job and it shouild have never gone through. Its not up to collingwood to pick up the extra money. It is up to all 3 parties to agree to terms and sort it out. It should have been done before the trade got through.
That you think that the dogs could claim any amount and the Pies would have to pay the rest with out tthe Pies signing an agreement show the lack of logic in your argument.

It’s officially done by the way. You’ve picked up the full extra money. The good old minnows have helped you out by front ending it.

 

[Suma Magic]

Can they afford de goey?

Paying 1.5 million to a guy to not play football for Collingwood is rather remarkable

They are under the cap for the foreseeable future. That’s all we know. Whether more contracts other than Treloar are backended we don’t know.

 

[tigerwill]

So much for those posters claiming Treloar was “only” owed $175k x 5 were slightly off the mark.
Collingwood up for the full $1.5 million for a player to play at another club. The mind boggles how they get in that position. Plus the fire sale exodus in desperation to reduce the salary cap er rejuvenate the list and get a big name free agent in.
Cerikey who looks after the contracts there, or was Eddie counting on some alternative bean counting.
Do contracts go before the Board or Eddie or the CEO or the AFL for approval? What sort of financial governance does the club have?
Surely someone is culpable. Who?

 

[Northernsoul74]

Oh dear.

So the Pies are diving straight back into pushing money they can't fit in to the cap out to the back end.

fu** Me.

Exactly as everyone assumed on trade night. Clearly Collingwood have tried unsuccessfully to pull a fast one here.

 

[Marcel Proust]

So much for those posters claiming Treloar was “only” owed $175k x 5 were slightly off the mark.
Collingwood up for the full $1.5 million for a player to play at another club. The mind boggles how they get in that position. Plus the fire sale exodus in desperation to reduce the salary cap er rejuvenate the list and get a big name free agent in.
Cerikey who looks after the contracts there, or was Eddie counting on some alternative bean counting.
Do contracts go before the Board or Eddie or the CEO or the AFL for approval? What sort of financial governance does the club have?
Surely someone is culpable. Who?

How did guy. Bucks. Eddie. Etc

Fail to get either substantial draft compensation

Or significant salary cap help - when losing a player of Treloars quality?

They seem to have landed in no man's land with average picks and still paying a third of his contract. To play footy for the dogs for 5 years.

 

[Laphroaig]

I dont agree with this. I think the incompentence is with all parties. This was a rush job and it shouild have never gone through. Its not up to collingwood to pick up the extra money. It is up to all 3 parties to agree to terms and sort it out.

They did.

 

[Laphroaig]

Treloar has been pretty generous throughout his career on this matter. Have to wonder just how much money he essentially loses over the course of his career due to inflation thanks to backending constantly

No. He gets paid 900 every year from now.

Bulldogs are picking up extra in the first year, and less in following years.

Collingwood pays less than 300 year one, and more than 300 in the following years.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

Can they afford de goey?

Paying 1.5 million to a guy to not play football for Collingwood is rather remarkable

Who they’ve essentially traded for a second round pick as well, and all this because another guy they’ve paid multiple top picks and a huge salary for arrived, got fat, ate mcdonalds and didnt do his job.

It is a remarkable list management failure that is unprecedented this century.

 

[Laphroaig]

Ned Guy really thought he could battle with a group of lawyers

Ned Guy wasn't the guy battling.

I can clearly visualise Eddie's face turning purple when he heard what the deal was.

And thinking he was going to make it go away. Coz Eddie.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

The name Ned Guy really has to become synonymous with list management failure.

Pulling a Ned Guy (e.g. like a 'Bradbury' in an underserved win when the others have choked).

Its all just too unbelievable.

 

[Northernsoul74]

If they get a big FA and back end this Treloar is it not more pain in the future? I guess Pendlebury is close to finishing up.

 

[Bulldog1954]

So we got rid of Stephenson (600k), Phillips (600k), Dunn, Varcoe, Reid, Wills, Appleby, Scharenberg

That's at least 1.5 mil saved without Treloar.

95% cap is $12,350,000

105% cap is $13,650,000

Difference is $1,300,000 < $1,500,000

So you're saying we are currently $1,500,000 in the red for our salary cap atm. And we're paying around $14,500,000 atm when the maximum any team can pay is $13,650,000.

Right okay . Enjoy losing Bontempelli in FA next year btw, nice salary cap u got there taking Treloar while keeping Dunkley

So.......

Want to explain why Collingwood needed the Dogs to front end Treloar for them if they aren’t under any salary cap problems?

Still think it’s the Dogs with the salary cap concerns? Happy that you traded Treloar for basically a second rounder whilst paying 1.5 million?

 

[tonygeeks]

How’s the hide of those dirtbag dogs forgetting who their mates are like that

So uncool


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[doggies ftw]

How do you get ten percent returns?

make 900k a year and get a decent financial advisor and I’m sure he’ll figure it out

 

[Northernsoul74]

So basically Collingwood have spent the last month trying to renege on a deal. Very poor form.