Traded Adam Treloar [traded with #26, #33 and #42 to Bulldogs for #14 and 2021 R2]

Who won this trade?

  • Collingwood

    Votes: 1 6.3%

  • Western Bulldogs

    Votes: 15 93.8%
  • Total voters
    16

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Americanpies said:
It's been like that for years. We are already at this point.

It's constantly mentioned in the media as 'a work place', and OH&S, and basically compared to working in an office. I even see the public refer to it the same way. It's gone that way with all the CTE and injury stuff. Once it went down that path there was no turning back. Expecting AFL players to joint he CFMEU soon, and start industrial action over pay disputes and fringe benefits.
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I wish my work place was like Collingwood

"Hi boss, its me. Anyway im depressed so im going to do some painting, I know I said ill work for another 3 years but Im going to leave. Can you pay me my 3 year contract in full next week please?"
 
Mt Isa Mustang said:
Read above - have clearly outlined the negatives.
Pretty obvious we don't want to take on a huge back ended contract that will have him paid to age 32.

He will be on the decline when we're on the way up and that contract will be a massive anchor around our neck as we're trying to re-sign our young players.

You guys have paid him unders to date - pushing all his money to the back end. You should be the ones to pay that, not some other team.
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What makes you think or what evidence is there to suggest that your on the way up?
 
Robroy22 said:
'Cept the wording will be..."Of course we're happy to keep Adam should he choose to stay as he is already a contracted and valued member of our club" (which he is/and we are) instead of North's "His style of play doesn't suit our style going forwards" and he is not contracted after October 31...

See the difference? In all it's entirety ?
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hehe, hindsight's a wonderful thing but this looks a bit silly now.
 

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raffrox said:
There's risks associated with every job. Some more than others. It doesn't mean the employer can just do random stuff though. You understand that don't you?

If all reasonable measures aren't taken then AFL players can still and do sue. A workplace has to be safe within the context of the work. End of story.

This ain't the 70's with an ashtray on each desk.
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No doubt, but I can't se how he could claim that Collingwood are not providing him with a safe working environment

He isn't the first or the last player who is/has been under contract that a club wants to move on. Collingwood tried to move him on last year before his wife decided to relocate to Brisbane for a year so this has been an issue for 12+ months

even looking at the fair work - Flexible working arrangements I can't see how Collingwood would not be within their rights to knock back his request of flying to Queensland regularly if it resulted in him missing training
 
living_in_syd said:
You realise that you dont need to add players to reach cap floor space? Most clubs will front end contracts so they can go on spending sprees in the future eg what Carlton are doing now...
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Yeah, you don't have to, but when we supposedly "paid overs" for Wells and Chris Mayne, this is what we did. Both of their original contracts have been long over for years, so they'd have little bearing on the current situation.

Has anyone actually confirmed in any way that Collingwood are in cap trouble? Or are people just assuming the worst, and that there can't be any other reason to (allegedly) shop a good contracted player?
 
ExcitementMachine said:
Suns have already said they'd offer pick 5 and it will end up more then that you'd think.
A good source on the pies board said we are asking for two firsts.
Also the media don't believe them. Don't believe what you read. It sounds brutal. But, the move is for the best for all parties.

Think about the benefits to the suns and Brisbane for acquiring treloar.
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Such as?
 
Damon_3388 said:
Yeah, you don't have to, but when we supposedly "paid overs" for Wells and Chris Mayne, this is what we did. Both of their original contracts have been long over for years, so they'd have little bearing on the current situation.

Has anyone actually confirmed in any way that Collingwood are in cap trouble? Or are people just assuming the worst, and that there can't be any other reason to (allegedly) shop a good contracted player?
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Given that pretty much the entire AFL media landscape is talking about it, and no one at Collingwood is bothering to deny it, then it seems where there's smoke, there's fire.
 
Damon_3388 said:
Yeah, you don't have to, but when we supposedly "paid overs" for Wells and Chris Mayne, this is what we did. Both of their original contracts have been long over for years, so they'd have little bearing on the current situation.

Has anyone actually confirmed in any way that Collingwood are in cap trouble? Or are people just assuming the worst, and that there can't be any other reason to (allegedly) shop a good contracted player?
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You paid overs for them rather then frontloading contracts, which means you now have players earning actual worth and or more when you could have had them on much less

What a smart list manager does (like Brisbanes) is say "Oh we have 1.5 million spare in salary cap space", "Hi Pendles, I see you are on 2 mill for 3 years, can we give you 1 mill this year, 750k next year and 250k on your 3rd year". "Okay Buckley, I love you". They dont go "We have 1.5 mill, whose getting delisted t his year, maybe we can offer them 700 000 dollars a year to come here"
 
ANY chance Adam Treloar had of finding a new home with one of Queensland’s AFL clubs looks to be in tatters with Gold Coast unwilling to provide the unwanted Magpie a lifeline.

News Corp can reveal the Suns won’t make a play for the 27-year-old in the upcoming trade period and with Brisbane also pulling out of the race it leaves Treloar on very unsteady ground.

Gold Coast have been heavily linked to the Collingwood midfielder who has reportedly been told by the Magpies he will be up for trade.

The Suns have been meticulous with recruiting in recent seasons under head coach Stuart Dew, targeting specific players of need like Brandon Ellis, Sam Collins and Hugh Greenwood, while using high end draft picks to bring in quality young talent.

Treloar has shown no interest in moving and Gold Coast aren’t prepared to break away from its list build strategy to obtain him.

The Suns have shown interest in Adelaide Crows midfielder Rory Atkins and Richmond’s defender Oleg Markov.

Treloar’s situation is complicated. His partner Kim Ravaillion is contracted to Super Netball team Queensland Firebirds for 2021, meaning their daughter Georgie will be in Queensland too for a period.

He is currently contracted on a heavily back-ended deal until 2025 with Collingwood who may need to pay some of his salary to the club he goes to should a trade happen.

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00Stinger said:
No doubt, but I can't se how he could claim that Collingwood are not providing him with a safe working environment

He isn't the first or the last player who is/has been under contract that a club wants to move on. Collingwood tried to move him on last year before his wife decided to relocate to Brisbane for a year so this has been an issue for 12+ months

even looking at the fair work - Flexible working arrangements I can't see how Collingwood would not be within their rights to knock back his request of flying to Queensland regularly if it resulted in him missing training
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Sure. It's like why I said in one of my first posts. Expect the AFLPA to hold this case and others as examples why the players need to have more power or at least maintain the significant power they have at the moment. This situation will have ramifications imo.
 
00Stinger said:
No doubt, but I can't se how he could claim that Collingwood are not providing him with a safe working environment

He isn't the first or the last player who is/has been under contract that a club wants to move on. Collingwood tried to move him on last year before his wife decided to relocate to Brisbane for a year so this has been an issue for 12+ months

even looking at the fair work - Flexible working arrangements I can't see how Collingwood would not be within their rights to knock back his request of flying to Queensland regularly if it resulted in him missing training
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So he signs an extension in July last year, only for the club to plan nudging him out 2 or 3 months later? Wow!

How on earth does a list management team like that even have a job?
 

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WillHayward said:
Hes been pushed out because they think his salary is way over his output and they need cap space.

This has happened numerous times before.
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Doesn't happen often though one year into a five year contract. Its usually players who have signed only 2. generally, the players who get the 5 year contracts are ones who the club wants extremely long term. Its strange that so much has changed in a year.
 
Duskfire said:
This may be a stupid question, but what happens if no one wants him? He has to stay right? I am no expert on contract law but it seems like it would be a hard thing to nullify without the players consent.
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People want him but hes refusing to leave.

They will just have to mend the relationship and get on with it. Gonna be awkward for a few weeks.
 
This seems like a no win situation for the Pies. Do they pay him out? Keep him knowing they have trashed the relationship? trade him for unders?
 
Dr Tigris said:
This seems like a no win situation for the Pies. Do they pay him out? Keep him knowing they have trashed the relationship? trade him for unders?
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The only one they can muster anything is to tell further lies

Come out and say. No, no we didnt say anything about trading him because of him family situation next year.

Were happy to keep Treloar but we need to find some space in the cap for the future. Unfortunately one of our better players had to be considered in a move and we feel for us its best and him if that is Treloar.
 
TeeJay Blue said:
So he signs an extension in July last year, only for the club to plan nudging him out 2 or 3 months later? Wow!

How on earth does a list management team like that even have a job?
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oh I'm no saying it wasn't horrendous list management

Whoever offered and signed off on that deal should no doubt be looking for a new job
 
raffrox said:
Sure. It's like why I said in one of my first posts. Expect the AFLPA to hold this case and others as examples why the players need to have more power or at least maintain the significant power they have at the moment. This situation will have ramifications imo.
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I don't see why the AFL don't go down the path of the NBA & NFL where the contract is actually with the AFL not the club
 
00Stinger said:
oh I'm no saying it wasn't horrendous list management

Whoever offered and signed off on that deal should no doubt be looking for a new job
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Itd be the same person who offered Dayne Beams a 4 year deal?

You cant sack someone for say burning the toast (Treloar) when 3 weeks earlier they had burnt down the entire kitchen (Beams). You kind of gotta sack him when the kitchen has burned down. Crying over burnt toast after that just looks dumb
 

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Traded Adam Treloar [traded with #26, #33 and #42 to Bulldogs for #14 and 2021 R2]

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