News Adelaide Crows Camp Allegations and Rumors

[Mego Red]

I would like to keep Fagan as CEO. In terms of fundraising he is doing a good job.

He put too much faith in Roo. Given he has no experience in Aussie Rules I will forgive.
Fagan's good outweighs the bad.


Roo and Chapman gotta go


Chapman been there too long.

Roo is just not smart enough for the responsibilities he has at our club.

Board members should not be involved in day to day running if the club. Employed professional staff are there for that.


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I agree.

But I actually think we need to get rid of Fagan too. I'll unsure that he and Smart have done such good jobs that we wouldn't find better operators in the wider football industry.

 

[1970crow]

CEO not involved at all?

He's either complicit or clueless as to the goings on in his football club. I'm not sure which I prefer.

he sits on both football related committees with other admin types, he can't claim lack of involvement. The structure is set up to ensure admin people with zero high level football experience have strong input into football decisions.

 

[kirky]

The camp was 2.5 years ago, and those responsible are no longer with us. We’ve even got Daniel Jackson at the club to help work on rebuilding club culture.

What is the point of this article?

And yet we have another club with a player not observing Covid-19 restrictions and another from the same club with sexual assault allegations and a former player of that club unhappy with racist issues and yet lets keep dragging something up from nearly 3 years ago. Unbelievable.

At what point do we decide that enough is enough.

We get rid of Roo and get rid of Chapman, does it end there? Unlikely according to some. FMD!

 

[Thetrader15]

I seem to have lost the links to where Sam McClure has written about the following articles in so much detail...him being an amazing journo and all

JDG Sexual assault charge
JDG NOT being suspended by Collingwood despite being charged with a serious criminal offence
Pies VC Sidebottom allegedly being drunk in a public place and breaking league C-19 rules
Opinion piece on the charges against Dogs VC

 

[Mego Red]

There are ways to address this. A nuclear bomb is not one of them.

This camp went well beyond getting a bunch of footballers to "harden up".



Mate, I'm not one to come on here with BS rumours to soothe my ego. Believe me or not, I don't care. I'm simply explaining the basis for my concerns/opinions and they're not simply based upon what has been reported.



Mate, its understandable that you probably don't understand how dangerous it is to mess around with personal past traumas including "Childhood trauma" and "domestic abuse". Not to mention that much of this information simply shouldn't have been known by the facilitators. Players with such past trauma's probably qualify as having PTSD and if they didn't, they may do now. This is not sh*t that you mess around with and to do so shows a complete lack of understanding of psychology/mental health. Collective Mind have no psychologists on their employ, Woulf is a MBA...

What's really more concerning is that we kept the details from medical staff. Did we know they wouldn't approve and thus excluded them? Or were we just too incompetent to do our own due diligence?

To be honest, the medical staff being kept away is the actual major issue in this.

That's a problem that does end with Fagan. It inappropriate to have a physically (and mentally) stressful camp offsite and not have full medical attention there.

 

[Scorpus]

Read the article. It says that the personal abuse came from the other players in the exercise.

sh*t idea, sure. But I don't see how you go from that to the club possible leaking personal info to Collective Minds. Why a player thought that isn't ever explained, and it isn't proven in the article other than an ex-player believed it to be true.

It doesn't say that. It says the camp operators encouraged the players and they began with standard weak insults. Then it turned personal.

With the additional info provided by the players the inference can be drawn that Collective Mind turned the insults personal with the assistance of information provided by the club

 

[Thetrader15]

And yet we have another club with a player not observing Covid-19 restrictions and another from the same club with sexual assault allegations and a former player of that club unhappy with racist issues and yet lets keep dragging something up from nearly 3 years ago. Unbelievable.

At what point do we decide that enough is enough.

We get rid of Roo and get rid of Chapman, does it end there? Unlikely according to some. FMD!

Let's just say the timing of the article is VERY convenient for Eddie McGuire

 

[Thetrader15]

To be honest, the medical staff being kept away is the actual major issue in this.

That's a problem that does end with Fagan. It inappropriate to have a physically (and mentally) stressful camp offsite and not have full medical attention there.

It ends with Chapman

 

[kirky]

It doesn't say that. It says the players began with standard weak insults. Then it turned personal.

With the additional info provided by the players the inference can be drawn that Collective Mind turned the insults personal with the assistance of information provided by the club

I don’t want inference, I want the facts and only facts at this point.

 

[Mego Red]

And yet we have another club with a player not observing Covid-19 restrictions and another from the same club with sexual assault allegations and a former player of that club unhappy with racist issues and yet lets keep dragging something up from nearly 3 years ago. Unbelievable.

At what point do we decide that enough is enough.

We get rid of Roo and get rid of Chapman, does it end there? Unlikely according to some. FMD!

Their chairman called an indigenous player King Kong.

They have a multiple ex players speaking out on racist issues.

They had two players suspended for steroid abuse.

They had another player suspended for betting on the game.

They had a player almost close down the comp due to flaunting AFL COVID health regulations.

They have a player charged by Vic Police with sexual assault.

And yet ...

 

[Scorpus]

I don’t want inference, I want the facts and only facts at this point.

It's a pretty simple story to follow. How did the players have sensitive info thrown back in their face that they say they only divulged to club officials in confidence?

Did the club give the other players the info, or did they give it to the camp leaders? Not sure which is worse to be honest

 

[Mego Red]

It doesn't say that. It says the camp operators encouraged the players and they began with standard weak insults. Then it turned personal.

With the additional info provided by the players the inference can be drawn that Collective Mind turned the insults personal with the assistance of information provided by the club

Yes, that is the assumption McClure is wanting you to make.

And yet, that's not what's been put in writing. Only that an ex-player thinks that could have been what happened.

 

[pjcrows]

Chapman, Fagan and Ricciuto need to go. This article doesn't shed any new light on that, though.

 

[Mego Red]

It ends with Chapman

Sure. I think we need to take that as the minimum acceptable outcome.

 

[Thetrader15]

Their chairman called an indigenous player King Kong.

They have a multiple ex players speaking out on racist issues.

They had two players suspended for steroid abuse.

They had another player suspended for betting on the game.

They had a player almost close down the comp due to flaunting AFL COVID health regulations.

They have a player charged by Vic Police with sexual assault.

And yet ...

 

[Mego Red]

It's a pretty simple story to follow. How did the players have sensitive info thrown back in their face that they say they only divulged to club officials in confidence?

Did the club give the other players the info, or did they give it to the camp leaders? Not sure which is worse to be honest

Or is it stuff that people just find out about within a football club?

Does the club leaking secrets about a player to otherguys on the team, so they can shout those secrets at them while playing tug of war sound even remotely realistic?

 

[Thetrader15]

Sure. I think we need to take that as the minimum acceptable outcome.

If only Chapman as Chair has managed a succession plan for his departure over the last 15 years...

Rob, one person is not a succession plan!

 

[Thetrader15]

Their chairman called an indigenous player King Kong.

They have a multiple ex players speaking out on racist issues.

They had two players suspended for steroid abuse.

They had another player suspended for betting on the game.

They had a player almost close down the comp due to flaunting AFL COVID health regulations.

They have a player charged by Vic Police with sexual assault.

And yet ...

Perhaps Sam will write about all this in 2.5 years time

 

[Crow_68]

What surprises me is the alleged privacy breaches not attracting the attention of Employment Lawyers.

I know if my company had released private details of my past to other employees, I would be all over them legally.


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[Scorpus]

Or is it stuff that people just find out about within a football club?

Does the club leaking secrets about a player to otherguys on the team, so they can shout those secrets at them while playing tug of war sound even remotely realistic?

Brett Burton providing confidential information to Collective Mind that was used by the camp leaders during the exercise sounds totally realistic to me. Much more realistic than any other scenario.

Do you really believe the players would, out of nowhere, start using highly personal insults based on confidential information that the players hadn't shared with anyone but the club? Is that really what you are suggesting, it's the players fault? You wouldn't insult your mates in that way under any circumstance unless you're a total piece of shit

Do you really believe guys like Sloane, Talia and Betts are sitting there throwing highly personal insults at their team mates?

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Yeah, clearly people thought the camp was a good idea, and they didn't spend two years calling for Burton to be sacked.

Have they been calling it a media beat up the whole time too?

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

I think one of the most distressing facts of the article is that Kyle Hartigan was considered to be part of the group of leaders with Tex and Sloane and Talia.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Yes, that is the assumption McClure is wanting you to make.

And yet, that's not what's been put in writing. Only that an ex-player thinks that could have been what happened.

Don't worry, I'm sure the club will clear up any confusion

 

[Idontpullout]

What the hell did the crows do to McClure as a child.
Did they bully him? Steal his lunch money?
Can't believe I actually clicked on the link to give his article more hits.

 

[Cap]

I'm impressed that people could watch our subsequent downward spiral into a need for a cultural overhaul, mass sackings, player exodus and the worst finishing positioning in the history of the club and still downplay it

Surely you look at in the context of all the other shit that went down in that period for scale.

I'd put it well behind Hamstring awareness, woeful list management and a complete inability to develop players (I'm sure I missed something)

It just feels like it was a part of the problem, rather than the problem itself.

However I do admit, I think our players were mentally soft and are a result of our recruitment methods, so on reflection of some of the comments made by other posters about personal information being divulged and used as insults, it could have had a bigger impact that I gave credit.

I also do wonder, in the context of Andrew McLeod's comments, that the failings come back to the lack of identify for players to embrace at the club, so money and personal achievements or even a club culture are an easier sell for managers trying to get players out but also results in our players not being as engaged.