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[Aucklander]

Last Sunday afternoons ANZAC Test rated 1.450m (942k metro, 508 reg), which was nearly exactly the same as 2014 which was on a Friday night, pretty good result.

48k for the Storm into Melbourne yesterday.

 

[fabulousphil]

It would be interesting to source the reasons for that.

TBH its probably mostly due to the lack of violence, but a female fan I know comments a lot on the physique of AFL players.

It would be interesting what the perception of rugby league players was if they wore singlets instead of shirts amongst woman. Not that I think they should, but I think some woman are misguided enough to believe that AFL men have on average larger biceps then league men because they notice AFL mens biceps more because they are on display, when in fact the exact opposite is true.

I would say there is not one specific reason.

Even back in the 1860/70's it was considered socially acceptable for a woman to be seen and socialize at football games, in the 1870's in Melbourne when the game was played in open parkland women as well as men were joining in encroaching on games, the game was considered a social occasion, even though at that stage the game was played for the footballers and not the supporters.

If we travel a little further in time we find the 1897 Collingwood annual report listed a club membership of 797 and separately listed female membership as 187 and also listed 5 Females in the list of donors, the annual general meetings specifically mentioned and invited men and women, corresponding annual reports from rugby clubs (Eastern suburbs 1903) failed to mention women at all or even reference them at mixed social events.

Wives and ladies were offered the honour of unfurling flags, clocks on grandstands etc and Female hoteliers were often mentioned as ticket agents and thanked for providing meals and support.

I would also think that rugby and rugby league are or have been played along class lines in NSW, Australian football has not been it has always been far more inclusive and accepting.

 

[Our Game]

I would also think that rugby and rugby league are or have been played along class lines in NSW, Australian football has not been it has always been far more inclusive and accepting.

Thats one of the great benefits of our own game even the players can be all shapes and sizes unlike Rugby where the majority have to be built like brick outhouses and thats why the islanders and Polynesians now make up 38% of RL players and they are no where near 38% of the Australian Male population

 

[papabear]

Thank you for your comments about AFL and to be fair, I see that the game is trying to be inclusive.

In respect of rugby leagues inclusiveness, Rugby league has always been open to all people. It is rugby union who only want their game in certain schools who have always punished people for playing league and in general look down on people on the basis of sports.

In terms of inclusiveness to woman in the pro game, league has one club run by a woman, same with the AFL. League has a female commissioner, I don't know who the commissioners for the AFL are but I am sure they are relatively similar.

 

[jatz14]

Sam Mostyn and Linda Dessau currently. Linda Dessau is leaving to become governor of Victoria. One of the new commissioners coming in is Major General Simone Wilkie, former Australian national commander in Afghanistan, and Assistant chief of Staff to General Petraues for the Iraq war surge

 

[papabear]

As for the shapes and sizes argument, I am not so sure that's a huge strength.

You can be any shape and size to play any game on a social level, league like AFL has tag options and then theres touch footy as well.

For a professional game of AFL you are advantaged if you are tall. You can not genetically get more height.

League is all about power, some have naturally more of it, but tbh you can be as powerful as you want depending on your dedication, weight training etc.

Its like NFL and Basketball, you wont see someone poopooing NFL because basketball caters to a position for everyone from 6ft to 7'6, although it helps to be taller. Its just the nature of the rules and size of the field that strength/power plays a lot in rugby league.

To further my point look at league 30 or 40 years ago the players aren't massive like they are now, its just the nature of more money/ time / training methods and the impact that has on the park and on the final product.

 

[bigleague]

NRL set to land $30 million windfall from new turnover deal with betting agencies
The NRL are on the brink of finalising a rich and trailblazing new deal with betting agencies that is expected to net the code more than $30 million over the next three years.

Officials at Rugby League Central have seized on the terms of incoming state government legislation dictating how the proceeds of betting should be directed to sports themselves to switch from a percentage of profit model to a take of bookmakers' turnover on the game.

New three-year agreements with Tabcorp and corporate bookies are forecast to increase the NRL's slice from gambling operators from $5 million a year to between $10m and $12m annually.

The NRL and other sports have been eager to change their betting income arrangements since the landmark High Court case won by Racing NSW in 2012 that saw millions poured into racing via the introduction of a fee of 1.5 per cent of turnover enforced on agencies.

The long-existing NRL deal only returns the code a 5 per cent piece of bookies' profits on rugby league betting, which amounts to a far less generous figure given the low profit margins with wagering on the game.

Exactly what percentage of turnover agencies will now have to fork out to the NRL was on Friday unclear but there will be a sliding scale in place with lower rates paid to the governing body for standard bets, such as head-to-head and higher rates for more exotic wagers.

Betting on rugby league is such big business the TAB has previously reported it holds on average more than $1 million for every Monday night match, its most popular game of the week, and holds nearly $200 million each season. Other estimates place the total turnover for betting on league each round at more than $30m.

The NRL is the first Australian code to strike turnover deals but it has been a long-term objective of the Coalition of Major Professional and Participation Sports, which represents the likes of the NRL, AFL, soccer and rugby.

"The sports have all expressed a wish to receive a higher share of income that's generated from betting on their products," COMPPS executive director Malcolm Speed said. "The team sports are still well behind racing in the percentage they receive and the team sports would like to bridge the gap.

"As betting has grown they are in a position to command a higher percentage. It's good to see that they're now doing better."

The new deals have been begrudgingly accepted by bookmakers.

"We knew this was coming and it's been mooted for a while," said Gerard Daffy of UBet. "We know the world is a changing place and I don't think anyone would argue that any sport is not entitled to their share of the revenue stream. No one will tell you that they like paying more but most of us can see the logic behind it and have an understanding."

There is concern, however, about the prominence of unlicensed offshore betting agencies, which unlike Australian operators - who have integrity agreements with the NRL - are not regulated.

Daffy says there are more gambling agencies taking bets on rugby league overseas, including the Caribbean islands and Sweden, than in Australia itself.

"Their big problem is not what goes on here, it's what goes on elsewhere," he said. "There's now about 100 bookies in the world that now bet on AFL and rugby league and they contribute zero. Some of them bet on a lot of options that we're not allowed to in regards to our agreement with the NRL. I'm hearing of bookmakers overseas that are taking bets off individuals in excess of $20,000 in games of rugby league and AFL."

Daffy also believes the NRL must tighten up its policy around the naming of teams, which occurs on Tuesday night. Teams that have played on Monday night are named less than 24 hours later despite often having no resemblance to the line-up that will actually take the field in the following round. "It's a two-way street and we expect things in return," he said.

Speed said COMPPS and the sports had been arguing for several years for changes to the Interactive Gambling Act in an effort to make local agencies more competitive against their foreign rivals by enabling them to have online in-play betting.

"It's a weakness in the system and we've arguing that it should be rectified," Speed said.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...al-with-betting-agencies-20150515-gh2naz.html

 

[Cmarsh]

Still 25k general public tickets available for Origin I in Sydney. Looks like they will need to reduce entry prices before the game Wednesday week.

This year's ad campaign as "Sports greatest rivalry" looks deflated with flagging ticket sales.

 

[The_Wookie]

 

[papabear]

your nrl fox average has divided the viewers by 5 instead of 4 unless you are going to put the mnf game in.

Also shouldn't the afl include regional fta figures as well as you have done for rl.

 

[The_Wookie]

your nrl fox average has divided the viewers by 5 instead of 4 unless you are going to put the mnf game in.

Also shouldn't the afl include regional fta figures as well as you have done for rl.

NRL figures arent final until today, and I havent done Monday night yet.

Sure. When you find regional afl figures let me know. Hell even RegionalTam isnt updating - hasnt since April.

 

[Our Game]

Some interesting figures there Wookie all three codes the AFL,NRL and A League are down this year and the the A League GF only got 566,000 when they were touting that they would get over a million viewers.

 

[WagonBang]

Some interesting figures there Wookie all three codes the AFL,NRL and A League are down this year and the the A League GF only got 566,000 when they were touting that they would get over a million viewers.

If you go by these numbers which has the regional finger of 103k in it too Gives the A-League GF 694k. Pretty decent result considering how crowded Sunday was. SBS (1 hour delay) was up 23% for Grand Final yet Fox Sports (live) down on last.

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/arti...ock-sbs-set-record-league-grand-final-ratings

 

[bigleague]

Origin 1 rated 3.644m

State of #Origin game one now the highest rating show on Australian TV for 2015

A combined metro and regional average audience of 3.644 million viewers (peak of 4.209 million) watched on the edge of their seats as the XXXX Queensland Maroons narrowly beat the NSW VB Blues in a heart-stopping Game One State of Origin victory. The 2015 State of Origin Game 1 is now the highest rating show on Australian television for 2015, followed by the ICC Cricket World Cup final also broadcast on Nine.

An average audience of 2.432 million viewers across the five city metro market (including 114,000 viewers watching on GEM in Perth) watched Queensland take the game 11-10 with a last minute field goal.

Across the five city, the match was up in audience by 296,000 viewers from the last State of Origin match (Game3 on July 9, 2014 averaged 2.137 million).

The tense game peaked at 2.754 million viewers (including a peak of 151,000 on GEM in Perth) and was the number one program across the five city metro, along the east coast, in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.

In the Regional markets, Game One averaged 1.211 million viewers, peaking at over 1.455 million.

Nine’s State of Origin pre-match show averaged 1.549 million viewers and peaked at 2.061 million across the 5 City Metro. In Regional areas the pre-match show averaged 833,000 viewers.

The post-match wrap-up averaged 1.019 million viewers and peaked at 1.583 million in the five city metro areas. In the regional market the post-game analysis averaged 697,000 viewers.

In Sydney, an average of 1.092 million viewers watched the game on Nine, with a peak of 1.188 million. It was the number one program for total people and all key demographics: 25-54, 18-49 and 16-39. Game one gave the network a massive free-to-air audience share in Sydney with the total people (51.8%), 25-54 (53.9%), 18-49 (56.4%) and 16-39 (60.3%) demographics all switching on to the coverage.

In Brisbane, an average audience of 769,000 watched the game, with a peak of 858,000. The broadcaster had an impressive free-to-air share in Brisbane last night with the total people (54.0%), 25-54 (57.5%), 18-49 (59.8%) and 16-39 (56.8%) demographics.

In Melbourne, an average audience of 380,000 for total people, with a peak of 456,000. Nine achieved impressive free-to-air share last night in the Victorian capital with the total people (26.4%), 25-54 (29.1%), 18-49 (29.6%) and 16-39 (30.0%) demographics.

Origin online on 9jumpin had over a quarter of a million visits and over half a million page views, in 24 hours making it the most viewed site on the platform. Over 49,064 #Origin Tweets were logged last night with a match high TPM of 857 recorded at 10:13pm when the final whistle blew.

The ultimate Origin online experience (http://www.9jumpin.com.au/stateoforigin/) had over a quarter of a million visits and over half a million page views, in 24 hours making it the most viewed site on 9Jumpin.

Over 49,064 #Origin Tweets were logged last night with a match high TPM of 857 recorded at 10:13pm when the final whistle blew.

http://www.mediaweek.com.au/state-of-origin-game-1-gives-nine-midweek-win/

 

[Oneiros]

Serious Perth figures.

 

[HowYouDoin]

Serious Perth figures.

Not really, it's pretty average compared to most programs, and mediocre compared to bigger programs. Shows like house rules and the news usually double those figures.

 

[bigleague]

Not really, it's pretty average compared to most programs, and mediocre compared to bigger programs. Shows like house rules and the news usually double those figures.

114k compares favorably with other shows, especially since it was on Gem, certainly enough to describe it as 'serious'.

 

[The_Wookie]

114k compares favourably to AFL screenings this year that dont involve Perth clubs.

 

[bigleague]

114k compares favourably to AFL screenings this year that dont involve Perth clubs.

And a few that involve Perth clubs.

 

[Oneiros]

20,272 at Perth Oval for Souths v Warriors. The West Australian today reported that there were three games lined up for next year, and that the Wests Tigers reps were in the crowd, looking to be one of those bringing a game over.

 

[Cmarsh]

20,272 at Perth Oval for Souths v Warriors. The West Australian today reported that there were three games lined up for next year, and that the Wests Tigers reps were in the crowd, looking to be one of those bringing a game over.

Perth is a no brainer for a new nrl side.

 

[Oneiros]

Perth is a no brainer for a new nrl side.

It really, really is.

And I think more people are coming around to that.

 

[saviour01]

I don't think too many were ever against it. Just have to make sure it is self sustainable. Don't want a GWS or Suns which need 20m a year.

 

[Cmarsh]

It really, really is.

And I think more people are coming around to that.

The question for the nrl is will it be a new franchise or an existing Sydney club? There are continual questions around the viability of some of the Sydney clubs and relocation may be one option.

 

[Oneiros]

I don't think too many were ever against it. Just have to make sure it is self sustainable. Don't want a GWS or Suns which need 20m a year.

No, there are still a lot who are against it. The "not enough talented players" people, the "Bears and Brisbane 2" people, the "16 teams is perfect" people, a whole host of people have either argued against it, or in favour of other options.

Repeated capacity crowds is making the argument against Perth ever more difficult, though.