Adrian Dodoro: Football’s Biggest Fraud IMO

[Jobe Watson]

Wanted Sinn and Port outsmarted the Dodo to jump ahead, he didn't see it coming. Then was feeling very pleased Draper had slid into his clutches only to be outsmarted twice at the same draft when the Pies jumped ahead.

We were always taking Hobbs. Dodo finessed Port out of a future pick without even trying. Made them pay 2 picks for an injury-prone back flanker. He stays winning.

Draper slid for a reason. Pies got a dud. Lord will be an All-Australian within 3 years.

 

[LoungeLizard]

You seem to have an answer in mind to suit your narrative.

Do I?
If I gave you an answer it would be a guess, but your answers seemed definitive.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

We were always taking Hobbs. Dodo finessed Port out of a future pick without even trying. Made them pay 2 picks for an injury-prone back flanker. He stays winning.

Draper slid for a reason. Pies got a dud. Lord will be an All-Australian within 3 years.

Lord will be an All-Australian within 3 years

Full nuff

 

[faible]

All important. But why has Merrett been more developed than the rest of our list? Is there something innate about him that isn't common on our list?

Is he not working with the same coaches/development staff and strength staff?

Some players will thrive despite a less-than-optimal environment around them. Most won't. He was also sounding like he was going to walk out the door before Rutten took over.

You could try to argue you should only draft those that will thrive without the appropriate development, conditioning or coaching, but you'd be working with a tiny percentage of the player pool. You'd never draft a Dustin Martin for example. It's not realistic.

The recruiting team can only bring in the raw talent for the coaching, development and conditioning staff to work with. The recruiting team also don't work independently of the rest of the club, unless you think Adrian Dodoro just goes out and picks whoever he wants at the draft and the coaches are expected to make it work after the fact.

As I said. Some people seem to think Dodoro is the sole employee at EFC.

 

[faible]

Lord will be an All-Australian within 3 years

Full nuff

I tell you what, if he's right we'll all be impressed with his prescience.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Some players will thrive despite a less-than-optimal environment around them. Most won't. He was also sounding like he was going to walk out the door before Rutten took over.

You could try to argue you should only draft those that will thrive without the appropriate development, conditioning or coaching, but you'd be working with a tiny percentage of the player pool. You'd never draft a Dustin Martin for example. It's not realistic.

The recruiting team can only bring in the raw talent for the coaching, development and conditioning staff to work with. The recruiting team also don't work independently of the rest of the club, unless you think Adrian Dodoro just goes out and picks whoever he wants at the draft and the coaches are expected to make it work after the fact.

As I said. Some people seem to think Dodoro is the sole employee at EFC.

I don't think the Martin analogy is right at all, Martin was the best player at Richmond from the day he got there. He's exactly who we should be drafting.
The culture solidifies around match winners. If Richmond never had Martin and Riewoldt, their system would have never developed, because you need freak stars to give value to the selfless moments which gives it the ability to sustain.

 

[Andronicus]

Yet you think they are successful ... or is Dodo .. just but part of the problem?

Do I?

Tell me more about what I think.

 

[rainwizard39]

We were always taking Hobbs. Dodo finessed Port out of a future pick without even trying. Made them pay 2 picks for an injury-prone back flanker. He stays winning.

Draper slid for a reason. Pies got a dud. Lord will be an All-Australian within 3 years.

Eagles gain the pick not Essendon so how does that help Dodo? Happy to overpay for someone with size, class and speed over being stuck with a mediocre mid.

 

[Metalcrusher]

Do I?

Tell me more about what I think.

Yes.

 

[La Dispute]

At 81 years of age hard to see Alistair Lord winning any AA guernseys.

 

[sydney_gws]

Sorry, not Dodoro related but reading through this thread I found it amusing Essendon supporters still can't say the words "drug cheating", instead calling it "the troubles" or " the saga" or "supplements scandal".

They tried to cheat using unapproved substances.

Just own it and move on.

Not the whole club, just some of the coaches, supported by an appalling attitude from the club president that enabled hird to be untouchable.

 

[Foxx]

If he was a coach, he'd have been sacked years ago.
I understand the extenuating circumstances that has sustained his job. ie drug saga, culture, coaching. But that usually doesn't help any employee in this business.
Regardless if its their fault or not, if the success isn't there they change things up. That's the nature of the business now.

 

[faible]

I don't think the Martin analogy is right at all, Martin was the best player at Richmond from the day he got there. He's exactly who we should be drafting.
The culture solidifies around match winners. If Richmond never had Martin and Riewoldt, their system would have never developed, because you need freak stars to give value to the selfless moments which gives it the ability to sustain.

I disagree.

Martin was kept in-line because of the rest of the people at the club that could keep him in line. The coaches and support staff for example.

It wasn't the list manager who drafted a troubled but talented young man that then kept him going off the rails.

So once again. It's like people think Dodoro is the sole employee of EFC.

 

[theyellowsash]

If he was a coach, he'd have been sacked years ago.
I understand the extenuating circumstances that has sustained his job. ie drug saga, culture, coaching. But that usually doesn't help any employee in this business.
Regardless if its their fault or not, if the success isn't there they change things up. That's the nature of the business now.

he's been in the job for 20+ years now right?

and hes had 1 good draft/trade period (last year), and you could argue thats only because he had no choice but to let players go and go to the draft.

 

[faible]

he's been in the job for 20+ years now right?

and hes had 1 good draft/trade period (last year), and you could argue thats only because he had no choice but to let players go and go to the draft.

I mean. I appreciate you trying.

People have bothered to go through the history of players picked throughout his tenure, and he comes out a little above average from memory. A few howlers, a few huge winners, by and large the players play the amount of games they should play at the selections they're taken.

At a guess I'd say Sydney & Geelong would have the best over that period, Hawthorn through the mid-2000s and early 2010's, Adelaide had a very good run for a while there, with Melbourne, Bulldogs and Richmond all being strong over the last 5 or so years.

If you want to critique his drafting, it's mostly around the lack of diversity through the midfield and trying for too long to convert flankers to midfielders instead of simply drafting midfielders. KPP wise he's done reasonably well.

He also hasn't been the list manager for 20+ years.

Why people decide to wade in to these threads pretending they know what they're on about, then swiftly demonstrate they know absolutely nothing, is beyond me.

He's a club administrator you've never met, at a club you don't support, who's actual performance you know nothing about.

 

[Foxx]

he's been in the job for 20+ years now right?

and hes had 1 good draft/trade period (last year), and you could argue thats only because he had no choice but to let players go and go to the draft.

Got to give him a bit more credit than that though mate. His drafting is in the top 5 clubs for AA squad members during his tenure.

 

[dave10]

If he was a coach, he'd have been sacked years ago.
I understand the extenuating circumstances that has sustained his job. ie drug saga, culture, coaching. But that usually doesn't help any employee in this business.
Regardless if its their fault or not, if the success isn't there they change things up. That's the nature of the business now.

I think that’s a cop out and the rationale for unsuccessful businesses. Doesn’t mean it’s right. Sacking Hardwick in 2016, Buckley in 2017 and Thompson in 2006 as you suggest would’ve happened simply would’ve resulted in bad decisions destroying a Premiership reality.

Culture is almost everything in successful organisations. If you haven’t got it, it doesn’t matter how good each part is. Listen to Max Gawn on SEN this morning, he attributes culture being the difference between missing finals in 2020 and winning the flag in 2021. No list manager in the AFL could pull together a capable list that sees premiership success in the environments Essendon created and provided between 2004-2020.

 

[Foxx]

I think that’s a cop out and the rationale for unsuccessful businesses. Doesn’t mean it’s right. Sacking Hardwick in 2016, Buckley in 2017 and Thompson in 2006 as you suggest would’ve happened simply would’ve resulted in bad decisions destroying a Premiership reality.

Culture is almost everything in successful organisations. If you haven’t got it, it doesn’t matter how good each part is. Listen to Max Gawn on SEN this morning, he attributes culture being the difference between missing finals in 2020 and winning the flag in 2021. No list manager in the AFL could pull together a capable list that sees premiership success in the environments Essendon created and provided between 2004-2020.

Yes. But culture doesn't fill pockets. The AFL is a business. The pressure from financial backers and members dictates change.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

The "Introducing the Draftees" Video is mostly Dodoro talking himself up for 6 minutes, thanks a few people, moves on

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Curious to know if we somehow manage to win a flag in the next 3-5 years does Dodoro become a headline for all the right reasons or does Truck and playing group get all the plaudits?

I'm sure the headlines will include a lot on Dodoro given his ability to work the media.

 

[faible]

Dodoro talking himself up for 6 minutes

thanks a few people, moves on

Which one is it?

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I disagree.

Martin was kept in-line because of the rest of the people at the club that could keep him in line. The coaches and support staff for example.

It wasn't the list manager who drafted a troubled but talented young man that then kept him going off the rails.

So once again. It's like people think Dodoro is the sole employee of EFC.

He really wasn't kept in line. He is a party animal, but hes a rare beast that could do it all.

 

[faible]

He really wasn't kept in line. He is a party animal, but hes a rare beast that could do it all.

A rare beast that Richmond almost traded in 2013?

 

[Baird]

A lot of miserable people in this thread who really need a hobby

 

[dave10]

Yes. But culture doesn't fill pockets. The AFL is a business. The pressure from financial backers and members dictates change.

I don’t agree. Culture fills the pockets of every premiership team. Your point reflects poor football clubs that invariably fill the bottom half of the 8 by following the point X Cats President Colin Carter said last year.. That unsuccessful clubs only get 4 or 5 out of 10 decisions right over time. And that sustainably successful clubs get more like 8/10 decisions right.

Cook arrives to fix Carlton,his priority is culture. Brasher review priotised culture. Melbourne fixed culture to win the flag. Geelong, Richmond and Collingwood all defied media and supporter pressure and didn’t sack coaches. These clubs may have deferred their cash registers ticking over for a year or two, but in the end they needed to buy additional cash registers!

Strong football clubs don’t panic and give in to pressures from media and financial backers. They back their plan and stay the course.