Adrian Dodoro: Football’s Biggest Fraud IMO

[Red Black and Blue]

They're different players, this doesn't somehow prove what you think it proves.

Why does Parish win more clearances than Oliver and Petracca?

Because we have an uneven clearance distribution due to low numbers of inside mids.

To tie it into your favorite coaching methodology. Clarkson and Hardwick didn't value clearances during their premiership runs, but always valued contested ball.

The reason our starting mids win less contested ball is because they lack the talent to do otherwise. It's not a coaching directive.

Coaching is great, but there are a stack of premiership capable coaches out there if they had premiership capable lists. Great coaches have got mediocre lists to flags, but I think it's happened three times in the last twenty years with Sydney 06, Doggies 16' and Eagles 18'. The best 2-3 lists in the competition have got there every other year.

 

[faible]

Because we have an uneven clearance distribution due to low numbers of inside mids.

To tie it into your favorite coaching methodology. Clarkson and Hardwick didn't value clearances during their premiership runs, but always valued contested ball.

The reason our starting mids win less contested ball is because they lack the talent to do otherwise. It's not a coaching directive.

Coaching is great, but there are a stack of premiership capable coaches out there if they had premiership capable lists. Great coaches have got mediocre lists to flags, but I think it's happened three times in the last twenty years with Sydney 06, Doggies 16' and Eagles 18'. The best 2-3 lists in the competition have got there every other year.

Sounds a hell of a lot like coaching matters doesn't it?

Coaching staff? Development staff? Strength & Conditioning staff?

People like to pretend Dodoro is the sole and only staff member at the club sometimes.

Placing everyone at the foot of the list manager is incredibly simplistic, as I said 4 pages ago now.

So can we stop wasting the time of every single person reading this thread?

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Sounds a hell of a lot like coaching matters doesn't it?

In the same way a pilot matters to the aeronautical engineer. Can't fly a plane without any wings, but a lot of planes have autopilot.

Placing everyone at the foot of the list manager is incredibly simplistic, as I said 4 pages ago now.

So can we stop wasting the time of every single person reading this thread?

As answered three pages ago. You can choose to stop replying any time you want mate.

All important. But why has Merrett been more developed than the rest of our list? Is there something innate about him that isn't common on our list?

Is he not working with the same coaches/development staff and strength staff?

 

[Don Won]

Two Essendon posters having a semantic argument that makes the thread unbearable...

Good work guys, keep it up!

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

6,204 days since they won a final and its all his fault.

 

[faible]

In the same way a pilot matters to the aeronautical engineer. Can't fly a plane without any wings, but a lot of planes have autopilot.



You can choose to stop replying any time you want mate.

I mean you've spent two days trying to beat the same drum, whilst also commenting regularly about system and coaching.

So yeah. I think we've cleared it up and wasted enough time doing so.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I mean you've spent two days trying to beat the same drum, whilst also commenting regularly about system and coaching.

So yeah. I think we've cleared it up and wasted enough time doing so.

Because the latter can't exist without the former making it inherently more important in the continuum to success.

 

[faible]

Because the latter can't exist without the former making it inherently more important in the continuum to success.

And the former can't exist without the latter.

On and on we go.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Two Essendon posters having a semantic argument that makes the thread unbearable...

Good work guys, keep it up!

I guess this absolute drivel is one way for Essendon supporters to drive non-Essendon fans out of the thread.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

And the former can't exist without the latter.

On and on we go.

Not true. West Coast 06. Collingwood 10/Geelong 11. All fundamentally simplistic, uncompelling game plans. Even Melbourne now are quite unsophisticated forward of centre. Back six is very polished but everyone since is pretty much ripping off the high defensive line of the Doggies 16' flag.

 

[faible]

Not true. West Coast 06. Collingwood 10/Geelong 11. All fundamentally simplistic, uncompelling game plans. Even Melbourne now are quite unsophisticated forward of centre. Back six is very polished but everyone since is pretty much ripping off the high defensive line of the Doggies 16' flag.

And yet you plucked 4 specific years out of 15 years of Premierships, and specifically mentioned the Dogs '16 game plan.

On and on we go.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

And yet you plucked 4 specific years out of 15 years of Premierships, and specifically mentioned the Dogs '16 game plan.

Never said that good coaching and good lists don't occur simultaneously. Only that the former can't exist without players capable of executing a game plan.

We have had a gamut of "successful" coaches since Sheedy left. Why haven't they been able to execute a game plan to the minimum standard of a winning a single final? Could it be the one constant over that period?

 

[PenAndPaper]

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Why? This is achieving it's desired intent. Sorry for derailing a troll thread that should be on the Bay.

 

[La Dispute]

The "Introducing the Draftees" Video is mostly Dodoro talking himself up for 6 minutes, thanks a few people, moves on

Dodoro's been at it 20 years, has a job indefinitely, and regardless whether he's takes the next Darcy Parish or the next Elliott Kavanagh the club coteries will back him until it's his turn to go quietly the night.

No wonder he's chuffed.

 

[emblurr]

When it is his turn, he'll get plenty of offers at other clubs.

 

[Opine]

When it is his turn, he'll get plenty of offers at other clubs.

Austin is proving himself a good judge footy talent, perhaps more-so than SOS before him. But, from outside, negotiating trades and strategy doesn’t seem to be his thing; at least not what CFC supporters have been used to re SOS. If Dodo ever leaves, I’d have him at Blues as head LM in a heartbeat.

 

[dave10]

Austin is proving himself a good judge footy talent, perhaps more-so than SOS before him. But, from outside, negotiating trades and strategy doesn’t seem to be his thing; at least not what CFC supporters have been used to re SOS. If Dodo ever leaves, I’d have at Blues as head LM in a heartbeat.

It could be argued that the Lidt Management and recruitment area has been the best performing department at Essendon for 10 years now. And that’s being serious.

 

[Opine]

It could be argued that the Lidt Management and recruitment area has been the best performing department at Essendon for 10 years now. And that’s being serious.

The reason why many fans are sour on Dodoro is that he’s effectively immovable on getting value from a trade and rarely caves unless no other option exists. Some might stay AFL trading should be a win/win, but that’s a fallacy. It’s a competition on every level.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

Dodoro's been at it 20 years, has a job indefinitely, and regardless whether he's takes the next Darcy Parish or the next Elliott Kavanagh the club coteries will back him until it's his turn to go quietly the night.

No wonder he's chuffed.

Chuffed with what?

List managers are graded on building squads capable of winning flags
Whats he done?

 

[Milanista28]

Chuffed with what?

List managers are graded on building squads capable of winning flags
Whats he done?

I think we're putting together a nice group of players with plenty of talent, the coaching and buy in seems at an all time high, the players love being at the club again, we haven't had that for a long time.

We don't know if this list is capable of a flag yet but it's exciting to finally see the club happy again.

 

[faible]

We have had a gamut of "successful" coaches since Sheedy left.

Now I know you don't watch football.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Now I know you don't watch football.

You don't rate Goodwin, Woosha and Bomber? What constitutes a good coach if not premierships? Even Knights has been a success everywhere else. Richardson/McCarthey/Harvey premiership winning assistants.

You're not suggesting their success had nothing to do with them and it was only the calibre of the lists they were involved with?

 

[faible]

You don't rate Goodwin, Woosha and Bomber? What constitutes a good coach if not premierships? Even Knights has been a success everywhere else. Richardson/McCarthey/Harvey premiership winning assistants.

You're not suggesting their success had nothing to do with them and it was only the calibre of the lists they were involved with?

Yeah, you're really picking bizarre points here.

Knights didn't demonstrate he was anything special as a head coach. Similarly for Hird.
Bomber was once a good coach, but pretty cooked by the time he got to us.
Worsfold was long past it as a tactical coach.

Which of the Head Coaches at EFC have gone on to be successful Head Coaches elsewhere afterwards?

Goodwin was a highly rated assistant, who went on to be a Premiership Coach at Melbourne. He was also a coach at EFC when there was enormous turbulence at the club.

You keep trying to make these really strange points as though it demonstrates the list is the sole and only thing that matters, whilst consistently managing to demonstrate the opposite.

My motivation to bother arguing the same incredibly circular argument for a third day is pretty low though, so feel free to declare it a win for yourself if you wish.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Yeah, you're really picking bizarre points here.

Knights didn't demonstrate he was anything special as a head coach. Similarly for Hird.
Bomber was once a good coach, but pretty cooked by the time he got to us.
Worsfold was long past it as a tactical coach.

Which of the Head Coaches at EFC have gone on to be successful Head Coaches elsewhere afterwards?

Goodwin was a highly rated assistant, who went on to be a Premiership Coach at Melbourne. He was also a coach at EFC when there was enormous turbulence at the club.

You keep trying to make these really strange points as though it demonstrates the list is the sole and only thing that matters, whilst consistently managing to demonstrate the opposite.

My motivation to bother arguing the same incredibly circular argument for a third day is pretty low though, so feel free to declare it a win for yourself if you wish.

It just seems incredibly strange that you think the coaches we have had weren't capable of putting together a competent game plan when they all have elsewhere. Its just pure obfuscation, you can't deny Dodoro has never put together a competent list.