Adrian Dodoro: Football’s Biggest Fraud IMO

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well many of us BF tragics shouted North down when they threw the big bucks at Polec and Pittard
paying overs takes time to erode a club but it does happen

I followed Preston way back when Ray Shaw was captain coached so followed Reece's career with interest

picking on North now would be like telling jokes at a funeral

back to Dodoro , he doesn't create club culture , but is a contributor
his negotiating tactics are like a dodgy used car dealer , come in super low , insulting .. shake the bastards up yeah
its deliberate and repeated and has become "thats the way we roll at Windy Hill"
thats childish and Trump like , so there's his contribution thats outwardly visible

you have senior players wanting out , they can want out for a variety of reasons
but what they are NOT doing is buying into club culture and future club prospects

I knew a person that was working in the Club during the Knights/Hird era and was saying it wasn't healthy
and that was said before the drugs saga

now the real Essendon people can comment , much of the clubs board/admin are filled with people from the legal profession ?

now we know their lifes mantra is "who can we screw , how can we screw them and how much can we screw them"
and if you reckon thats cruel or incorrect , lots of people will enthusiatically recommend a doctor , a plumber , a resturant even an account but who does that for a solicitor/layer ?
a few of them are handy but doesn't too many poison the water ?

Dorodo might do due diligence behind the scenes in potential new players and do many parts of the role really well

but does Windy Hill need an off field shake up , and then the new new CEO go to him and say "hey cut that nonsense out" , "were all adults"

Personally I think a lot of what's reported in the media is taking a grain of truth, adding a significant amount of mayo, and reporting it as fact.

People also take "senior players not buying in to the club culture" as a negative thing, when that club culture hasn't won a final in 16 years. Why shouldn't supporters want to see some discontent amongst guys that have been there a long time and not achieved a whole lot?

It seems the new President is quite genuinely reviewing the internal workings at the club; he mentioned Dodoro specifically as working more closely with the coach this period, and has moved Richardson on. Right now isn't the time to turf out your list manager or recruiting staff, but we may well see Dodoro having been put on notice that he needs to perform and get good outcomes this trade & draft period.

Also a lot of the Dodoro stuff seems to be old history, nothing of late suggests he does anything but work in the best interests of the club and when he spoke on the radio yesterday he was far less controversial than the media talking heads would like people to believe he is. Half the stuff reported about him is exaggerated or outright false (e.g. walking Caldwell to the PSD).

FWIW I know at least one decent lawyer you'd have a beer with.

 

[Ceehook]

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FWIW I know at least one decent lawyer you'd have a beer with.

LOL an outcast
played masters footy with someone that became a solictor , he didn't seem to fit that mould
again someone you'd happily have a beer with

I've run that line past a few people , never shouted down , I then add you may have had to use one and got an ok result , but you know you've danced with the devil

 

[Ceehook]

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It seems the new President is quite genuinely reviewing the internal workings at the club...................

and thats the way to do it , trouble is its slow progress, and that can lead to trouble and board spills, supporter and sponsor revolts

 

[Dazb86]

Definitely Essendon due to the fact they are a big four club, people probably thought a few years ago they were due to rise up as the club did given list direction. It's fallen spectacularly flat and I can't say I don't enjoy it.

Having said that if Essendon walks out of this period gaining Dunkley and Caldwell

When we are trading for a player we don't muck about, it's only when we have the leverage where he uses it.
Dogs have every shred of leverage here. They'll get good currency.

The problem with the Dunkley trade is that we're going to use any first rounders this year to pay for our academy kid. So it's going to be hard to manage a fair deal for both parties. Particuarly if its left too late to ontrade your pick to someone else for a player.

 

[Brutalitops]

When we are trading for a player we don't muck about, it's only when we have the leverage where he uses it.
Dogs have every shred of leverage here. They'll get good currency.

Wouldn't say thats the case at all given its been reported he offered a second round pick for Caldwell or he'll take him in the PSD.

 

[The Devils Advocate]

Wouldn't say thats the case at all given its been reported he offered a second round pick for Caldwell or he'll take him in the PSD.

Sam Edmunds has about as much credibility as you.

 

[Brutalitops]

Sam Edmunds has about as much credibility as you.

Show me where its been reported youve offered more than that.

 

[HBF]

He’ll butcher this trade opportunity. Dogs hold the whip hand, he will embarrass all parties with a 30cents on the $1 offer and it will get stuck in quicksand.

I feel like Karma will come back and bite him hard with Dunkley. Dogs can just sit back and wait for Dodoro to come up with a decent trade to get a contracted player.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

What was the last trade target we butchered?

Butchered the Daniher trade last season

 

[Shadow89]

Given the pricetag for both is likely to be 3 first round draft picks, ontop of the fact that essendon must use a first round pick themselves this year, that is quite a shallow analysis of the situation.

You're giving Adrian a pat on the back for creating a fairytale, not bringing one to life.

Lol I wasn't giving an 'analysis.'

If you'd seen my little analogy further back, you would know that I have no problem paying out Dodo at the drop of the hat.

However, I was merely pointing out that if they were to lose Daniher, Saad, Fantasia, and even McKenna, without securing anything themselves - it would've been a disaster.

As it stands, they could gain both Caldwell and an absolute gun in Dunkley, which would really offset a lot of that pain. Was more me giving them some kudos, after giving them a ton of crap at the outset.

It's called being unbiased.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

When we are trading for a player we don't muck about, it's only when we have the leverage where he uses it.
Dogs have every shred of leverage here. They'll get good currency.

Why did the Shiel trade go down to the final hours then ? there was reports dodoro was actually asked to leave the room buy gws if Essendon wanted any chance of the trade being completed

 

[Milanista28]

And?

I am not convinced that any established high quality player, ever, has changed clubs because he wanted to go to the club he supported as a child.

Closest you would get is Buckenara trying to break his contract through the courts to get to the newly established WA club. But that was a very different circumstance.

Howe did, but he wasn't the player he is now when he left the Dees.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

When we are trading for a player we don't muck about, it's only when we have the leverage where he uses it.

Like asking for Sam Walsh

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25.1

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13.5

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11.6

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3.2

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3.4

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26.2

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15.4

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10.8

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6.0

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4.8

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or 8+DeKoning for an OOC Saad? Compelling use of leverage.

 

[The Devils Advocate]

Like asking for Sam Walsh

18

Sam Walsh

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.1

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

26.2

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

10.8

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

4.8

5star

or 8+DeKoning for an OOC Saad? Compelling use of leverage.

Well, the man is using a crowbar for leverage, not a candy cane.

 

[The_Steadier]

Lol I wasn't giving an 'analysis.'

If you'd seen my little analogy further back, you would know that I have no problem paying out Dodo at the drop of the hat.

However, I was merely pointing out that if they were to lose Daniher, Saad, Fantasia, and even McKenna, without securing anything themselves - it would've been a disaster.

As it stands, they could gain both Caldwell and an absolute gun in Dunkley, which would really offset a lot of that pain. Was more me giving them some kudos, after giving them a ton of crap at the outset.

It's called being unbiased.

You discussed their potential benefits (caldwell and dunkley in) without mentioning what they will have to give up to get those benefits.

They aren't going to be getting dunkley and caldwell for what daniher, saad and fantasia net them.

The price to land dunkley and caldwell will be much more- you are making the equation sound like it will be:
Dunkley and caldwell in
Saad, daniher and fantasia out

In reality- if they do bring dunkley and caldwell in it will be:
Saad, daniher, fantasia + more trade currency (picks and/or players) out.

Hardly a fantastic result- they are still going backwards.

 

[The_Steadier]

Well, the man is using a crowbar for leverage, not a candy cane.

That's not using a crowbar- that's just opening your trenchcoat up and waving your old fella around.

 

[Hippster]

The man has decades of failures behind him. Essendon finals record shows this.
I expect him to balls this trade period up again. It’s just what he does.

 

[The Devils Advocate]

The man has decades of failures behind him. Essendon finals record shows this.
I expect him to balls this trade period up again. It’s just what he does.

List structure, development and coaching have been our issues IMO more so than drafting the right player.

 

[Laphroaig]

List structure, development and coaching have been our issues IMO more so than drafting the right player.

Is it not true that list structure and drafting the right player(s) are essentially the same subject?

 

[The Devils Advocate]

Is it not true that list structure and drafting the right player(s) are essentially the same subject?

I don't know if it's Dodoro that chooses whether we draft best available or best structural fit?

 

[Shadow89]

You discussed their potential benefits (caldwell and dunkley in) without mentioning what they will have to give up to get those benefits.

They aren't going to be getting dunkley and caldwell for what daniher, saad and fantasia net them.

The price to land dunkley and caldwell will be much more- you are making the equation sound like it will be:
Dunkley and caldwell in
Saad, daniher and fantasia out

In reality- if they do bring dunkley and caldwell in it will be:
Saad, daniher, fantasia + more trade currency (picks and/or players) out.

Hardly a fantastic result- they are still going backwards.

Lol, but that is the equation?

Saad = 8 (apparently)
Daniher = 7
Fantasia = 29 (apparently)

Dunkley and Caldwell for 7, 8 and 29 (most likely split after trading with other
clubs/using their own picks, but that should be the bones of it)

For example, could trade Picks 6 and 29 to us for 13 & Future 1st, give their Future 1st and our Future 1st to Bulldogs for Dunkley - as they don't want picks this year because of JUH -, and give 13 to GWS for Caldwell.

Means a loss of Pick 6, Future 1st, Daniher, Saad and Fantasia

Means a gain of Dunkley, Caldwell, Pick 7 and Pick 8. That's pretty even I'd say.

Am I missing something?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Butchered the Daniher trade last season

Daniher was one of our trade targets? Good one. Can’t come up with a single example

 

[DavyRed]

The papley deal was agreed to buy Sydney and Carlton Sydney offered the picks they would have had to Essendon they said no Sydney were only ever going to trade papley if the Daniher deal was given the green light

A minor point but according to Sydney they never actually offered the Papley pick to Essendon because Dodoro had already told them not to bother as it wouldn’t get the deal done (he wanted players instead).

Edit: sorry, just realised the date of your post and that the conversation has moved on. As you were then.

 

[Marlo]

Ya'll haters. With Trump gone, Dodoro is the last hope to piss everyone off

 

[Laphroaig]

I don't know if it's Dodoro that chooses whether we draft best available or best structural fit?

One would hope the coach has the greatest say in that. But who knows. Power dynamics and decision making authority in football clubs can be very different to what the management structure diagram and common sense would suggest.