Adrian Dodoro: Football’s Biggest Fraud IMO

[Wosh]

I mean... Archie's got a point

It’s ok here, it’s off season and most people are posting fine in it. It’s not the thread, it’s the people who can’t post reasonably that make the issues…send them to the Bay instead.

 

[dktm]

It is odd how the Bombers win every trade week ands draft but never a final hey.

Perhaps Timmy Watson and Jobe Watson and Mark Robinson and Rohan Connolly and Sarah Jones and all the other footy media geniuses could explain it.

They haven't got time for that.
All of them are doing there darnedest to get Jobes Brownlow back, and to get James Hird knighted as well as exonerated of all charges.

 

[Beerfish]

"I cannot recall"....

Thank you for being a most excellent witness.

 

[Del191229]

They haven't got time for that.
All of them are doing there darnedest to get Jobes Brownlow back, and to get James Hird knighted as well as exonerated of all charges.

It is the biggest injustice since Gladys was also hounded from office by some jobsworth at a so-called "integrity agency" who couldn't handle the fact that great leaders play by their own set of rules.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Back on topic.

1 Are Essendon fans satisfied with Dodoro's performance over his time there? Do you consider his performance to have improved in recent years? Please give reasons

2 For other folk do you believe Dodoro has a justly earned reputation as being difficult?

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Back on topic.

1 Are Essendon fans satisfied with Dodoro's performance over his time there? Do you consider his performance to have improved in recent years? Please give reasons

2 For other folk do you believe Dodoro has a justly earned reputation as being difficult?

1. Get rid of him. Hasn't drafted a superstar in 20 years.

2. No.

 

[La Dispute]

The Dark Knight is the 4th highest rated movie on Imbd and Dodoro cannot believe it slipped through to his Netflix subscription

 

[JayJ20]

Back on topic.

1 Are Essendon fans satisfied with Dodoro's performance over his time there? Do you consider his performance to have improved in recent years? Please give reasons

2 For other folk do you believe Dodoro has a justly earned reputation as being difficult?

1. It's difficult to answer because of the saga and how much it destroyed our list. He improved a lot since the saga, but he has struggled to build a balanced midfield. Selecting Hobbs finally rectifies that somewhat. Obviously I won't be satisfied with his performance until we're contending, but we're on the right track. I will say that I really like what he's done the last two years. He is genuinely showing a change to his approach by selecting based on list needs and focusing on drafting more than trading.

2. Both yes and no.

- Yes because he starts the bargaining process with ridiculous and unrealistic requests. I basically ignore the first week of trade period for that reason. I think it's extremely unhelpful to leave everything to the last day because it causes unnecessary stress for both the player and the list managers.

- No because his final offer is genuinely reasonable. People are fixated on wanting to see Dodoro give up players for unders or trading in players for overs (eg giving up Dunkley for TWO top 10 picks or giving up Hill for more than a second rounder). That's just ridiculous.

The way I see Dodoro, the process of dealing with him is difficult, but the end result is reasonable.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

1. It's difficult to answer because of the saga and how much it destroyed our list. He improved a lot since the saga, but he has struggled to build a balanced midfield. Selecting Hobbs finally rectifies that somewhat. Obviously I won't be satisfied with his performance until we're contending, but we're on the right track. I will say that I really like what he's done the last two years. He is genuinely showing a change to his approach by selecting based on list needs and focusing on drafting more than trading.

2. Both yes and no.

- Yes because he starts the bargaining process with ridiculous and unrealistic requests. I basically ignore the first week of trade period for that reason. I think it's extremely unhelpful to leave everything to the last day because it causes unnecessary stress for both the player and the list managers.

- No because his final offer is genuinely reasonable. People are fixated on wanting to see Dodoro give up players for unders or trading in players for overs (eg giving up Dunkley for TWO top 10 picks or giving up Hill for more than a second rounder). That's just ridiculous.

The way I see Dodoro, the process of dealing with him is difficult, but the end result is reasonable.

Ta for all that. After we were effectively banned from trading for operating within the rules, my mob concentrated on the draft. We have been reasonably successful.

Our list crew keep a low public profile and seem considered as reasonable to do business with. Only three times have we tried to block a player wanting a move - O'Keefe, Papley and Dawson. Generally if a player has reasons better than 'I miss my mum's scrambled eggs', the Club will help out.

My mob has one vice. They do not share info with journos on drafting. Most years, inky fingered scribes get peeved when our fellas call out different names to those journos think we should select.

Some journos and draft gurus are giving us a hiding today because we did not follow their script. Beatson and Dalrymple will be laughing and knocking over a few Stubbies.

 

[FlyHigh18]

2 For other folk do you believe Dodoro has a justly earned reputation as being difficult?

We agree with Essendon supporters, Dodoro is fantastic, we all pray he continues his reign

 

[evo]

Most objective observers acknowledge a list laden with talent.

Observers such as Tim Watson, Rohan Connolly and Robbo.

Who among us could doubt success in the near future is inevitable.

 

[dave10]

It is odd how the Bombers win every trade week ands draft but never a final hey.

Perhaps Timmy Watson and Jobe Watson and Mark Robinson and Rohan Connolly and Sarah Jones and all the other footy media geniuses could explain it.

That’s a

Back on topic.

1 Are Essendon fans satisfied with Dodoro's performance over his time there? Do you consider his performance to have improved in recent years? Please give reasons

2 For other folk do you believe Dodoro has a justly earned reputation as being difficult?

Good questions. A simplistic superficial view would look at the last 20 years performances and conclude he is the list manager during a period the club largely failed on field. However, I’m of the strong belief Dodoro isn’t the central figure in this underperformance.

Colin Carter, X GFC President once said for a club to achieve sustained success it needs to get between 7-8/10 decisions across the club right over a period of years. Poor clubs he said only get, say 4-5/10 decisions right. This is right across an entire club, list management, player development, coaches, tactics, culture and environment, sports science and high performance, medical etc..

Im a big believer in the importance of culture and the higher purpose of a clubs ability to provide a high performance environment. Then for the entire club to buy into this over a sustained period to succeed. Coinciding with this you need all the stuff mentioned above… At least getting most decisions right.

Essendon more than most clubs, Gold Coast and possibly Carlton come close, are a prime example of club that hasn’t
got anywhere near enough decisions right.

The Sheedy era ended in complacency and the club convinced itself it had to go to the bottom and rebuild to succeed. Like Carlton. Hindsight proves this philosophy isn’t true and clubs can regenerate on the run. Colin Carter’s Geelong and Sydney examples of this. Specific to Dodoro, it is known that Sheedy regularly overruled Dodoros choices and made calls on recruiting. He selected aging rejects which was contradictory to Dodoros philosophy however Sheedy prevailed.

Then the club set about developing a new vision and culture under Hird/Thompson in 2011, led by David Evans and Ian Robson. A club that had fallen into a malaise was jolted by the new regime which opted for an aggressive new direction. We found out what soon became a glorious failure of the highest proportions. The saga. Throughout a 5 year period, Dodoro lost 2 years of draft picks and was subsequently unable to trade players with no assets to offer up. Clubs wouldn’t trade with Essendon, a club in crisis. Then I’m 2016 most of its players were suspended. Further, it lost players to a fresh start. Ryder, Melksham, Hibberd and Crameri come to mind. What hope did Dodoro have building a list between 2012-6?.

A new dawn in 2017, however a club healing and feeling the need to support, heal and caress returning players. Unfortunately this created a less ruthless environment, more accepting of lower standards with inconsistent accountability. Further, medical and high performance was underperforming leading the club to be frustrated and unable to get its young talent on the field for several years. Fantasia and Daniher examples. By 2020 a poor culture and an environment that wasn’t set up for high performance resulted in a crisis at end of 2020. Coaches weren’t working well together, players were getting injured and returning only to get reimbursed. Assistant coaches were not developing the young players successfully. Players got frustrated and this saw Fantasia, Saad and Daniher walk out.. Dodoro recruits the players. What happens next is largely beyond his control.

Long winded but you get the drift. It’s not simple. I think he’s a good operator however I see beyond just the wins and losses.

This time club feels aligned and reborn… Again. Early signs promising. I believe list is strong but the other stuff must support this. Time will tell. The list should win finals.

 

[Halftimehero]

That’s a

Good questions. A simplistic superficial view would look at the last 20 years performances and conclude he is the list manager during a period the club largely failed on field. However, I’m of the strong belief Dodoro isn’t the central figure in this underperformance.

Colin Carter, X GFC President once said for a club to achieve sustained success it needs to get between 7-8/10 decisions across the club right over a period of years. Poor clubs he said only get, say 4-5/10 decisions right. This is right across an entire club, list management, player development, coaches, tactics, culture and environment, sports science and high performance, medical etc..

Im a big believer in the importance of culture and the higher purpose of a clubs ability to provide a high performance environment. Then for the entire club to buy into this over a sustained period to succeed. Coinciding with this you need all the stuff mentioned above… At least getting most decisions right.

Essendon more than most clubs, Gold Coast and possibly Carlton come close, are a prime example of club that hasn’t
got anywhere near enough decisions right.

The Sheedy era ended in complacency and the club convinced itself it had to go to the bottom and rebuild to succeed. Like Carlton. Hindsight proves this philosophy isn’t true and clubs can regenerate on the run. Colin Carter’s Geelong and Sydney examples of this. Specific to Dodoro, it is known that Sheedy regularly overruled Dodoros choices and made calls on recruiting. He selected aging rejects which was contradictory to Dodoros philosophy however Sheedy prevailed.

Then the club set about developing a new vision and culture under Hird/Thompson in 2011, led by David Evans and Ian Robson. A club that had fallen into a malaise was jolted by the new regime which opted for an aggressive new direction. We found out what soon became a glorious failure of the highest proportions. The saga. Throughout a 5 year period, Dodoro lost 2 years of draft picks and was subsequently unable to trade players with no assets to offer up. Clubs wouldn’t trade with Essendon, a club in crisis. Then I’m 2016 most of its players were suspended. Further, it lost players to a fresh start. Ryder, Melksham, Hibberd and Crameri come to mind. What hope did Dodoro have building a list between 2012-6?.

A new dawn in 2017, however a club healing and feeling the need to support, heal and caress returning players. Unfortunately this created a less ruthless environment, more accepting of lower standards with inconsistent accountability. Further, medical and high performance was underperforming leading the club to be frustrated and unable to get its young talent on the field for several years. Fantasia and Daniher examples. By 2020 a poor culture and an environment that wasn’t set up for high performance resulted in a crisis at end of 2020. Coaches weren’t working well together, players were getting injured and returning only to get reimbursed. Assistant coaches were not developing the young players successfully. Players got frustrated and this saw Fantasia, Saad and Daniher walk out.. Dodoro recruits the players. What happens next is largely beyond his control.

Long winded but you get the drift. It’s not simple. I think he’s a good operator however I see beyond just the wins and losses.

This time club feels aligned and reborn… Again. Early signs promising. I believe list is strong but the other stuff must support this. Time will tell. The list should win finals.

End thread on this note please

 

[Ash1337]

This off season has been poor for his standards. Could only get a FA for the trade period and was a bad draft for him with having players he wants taken the pick before.

 

[Haduken]

I continue to be bemused by supporters of other clubs who hold such a grievance against the dodo? I couldn't even tell you the name of any other clubs chief recruiters nor do I care clubs pick players every year some are busts some are great.I have no complaints but just the fact alone he gets under the skin of opposition supporters is a bonus. Merrett, Parish ,Stringer all during 'the troubles' is a decent enough job for me

 

[LoungeLizard]

I continue to be bemused by supporters of other clubs who hold such a grievance against the dodo? I couldn't even tell you the name of any other clubs chief recruiters nor do I care clubs pick players every year some are busts some are great.I have no complaints but just the fact alone he gets under the skin of opposition supporters is a bonus. Merrett, Parish ,Stringer all during 'the troubles' is a decent enough job for me

I don't think much has changed since the OP.

From what I read most are having a bit of fun.

But it sounds you may be the one with the grievance.

 

[dave10]

End thread on this note please

Something sensible with context was necessary to fumigate all the trolling and cheap shots There are some good posts here but most are written without deep knowledge or understanding of the environment and how it impacts the operating areas.

Melbourne finished 2nd last only two years ago. The basis of a premiership list was in place. However complacency had set in after an unexpected preliminary finals campaign ended in Perth. Players came back unfit, injured and mentally not sharp.

We’ve heard since the necessary moments the club took to refocus, rededicate and realign around a broader ‘enough is enough’ mantra. It addressed the higher purpose gaps and got back on track. A few more additions to the list and a Premiership was won.

Point, talented lists won’t take you to the promised land. You need a focussed, aligned and driven club, AND talent, good coaches, medical, high performance, recovery, development, VFL program, all humming to get there.

If not, and the club only gets 5/10 decisions right, it will forever be a mediocre club. No matter how good a list is.

 

[dave10]

This off season has been poor for his standards. Could only get a FA for the trade period and was a bad draft for him with having players he wants taken the pick before.

You don’t know that! Nor do I.

It may prove to be a strong result. We won’t know for 3-4 years. There’s high level confidence in Hobbs who adds more class, grunt, competitiveness and leadership to an impressive and emerging midfield. ‘Lord’ brings Hind like attributes. Hind is 26 and we saw in that final against the Dogs how Essendon lacked run and dare with Hind unavailable. The rationale fits an emerging need in future and could release Redman upfield too.

Last year he was criticised for trading in 2nd rated trades in Wright and Hind. Draft ‘Experts’ softly criticised his draft haul for using 3 x top 10 picks on talls and not capitalising on an opportunity to bring in a bigger bodied contested midfielder… Dodoro locked in a high quality spine for 10 years. Then 12 months on he gets arguably one of the best bigger bodied contested midfielders in the draft (Hobbs)!

Time will tell. The list is very talented, becoming quite balanced and only a few holes.

Nit picking aside, it needs another small forward, in knowledge it has quality small forwards via father sons in 2022 (Davey twins). It may (?) need a full forward however Kane Baldwin is turning heads on the track, his ability unquestioned, his body the only query. It may (?) have a beauty in Baldwin. Wait and see.

 

[Oscarman]

I did chuckle on Thursday night when Essendon took 4 minutes 45 to pass and the whole time Adrian was pretending the camera was not on him.

 

[BruceTempany14]

Oh boy I truly hope you’re not categorising yourself as an ‘objective observer’ here.

That was a jarring read.

Agree . It Reeks of desperation.


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[Dangerousfield]

This off season has been poor for his standards. Could only get a FA for the trade period and was a bad draft for him with having players he wants taken the pick before.

Wanted Sinn and Port outsmarted the Dodo to jump ahead, he didn't see it coming. Then was feeling very pleased Draper had slid into his clutches only to be outsmarted twice at the same draft when the Pies jumped ahead.

Loved seeing Dodo throw his fat texta into the desk as the Pies selected Draper - gold!

So the great Dodo didn't win Trade Period or the ND this year. Doing a great job for the other 17 clubs, long may he keep drawing a pay cheque at the Dons.

 

[Lampers]

Are you actually going to puff your chest out about your list management? You won a flag because you sucked for 15 years and have more top 5 picks on your list than most clubs have in their entire history. You were almost there in in 2019 so instead of going again, you tanked for another top 5 pick to push you over the line. Your major list management strategy has been to poach players from GC and adelaide, how original.

The one thing that Melbourne has done well is hit on 2nd rounders well above average.

There are four top five picks on Melbourne’s list.

Petracca and Jackson from ladder position for poor seasons.

Brayshaw from losing a free agent (Frawley), Oliver from trading for the pick with Gold Coast.

It’s hyperbole to say most other clubs haven’t had four top five selections in their entire history.

Port had three top five selections on their list this year (Boak, Hartlett and Rozee) all gained from poor finishes.

If you expand it to top seven picks you can add Wines and make it four - the same as Melbourne.

Port poached Dixon from Gold Coast. Fantasia from Essendon. Preyed on Brisbane to get Rockliff and Polec.

If you’d argued Melbourne have had more opportunities - and screwed most of them up - in their history than other clubs I’d agree. the noticeable difference between Port and Melbourne is a premiership.

But you didn’t, so best not throw stones in your glass house.

 

[Red Bull]

Wanted Sinn and Port outsmarted the Dodo to jump ahead, he didn't see it coming. Then was feeling very pleased Draper had slid into his clutches only to be outsmarted twice at the same draft when the Pies jumped ahead.

Loved seeing Dodo throw his fat texta into the desk as the Pies selected Draper - gold!

So the great Dodo didn't win Trade Period or the ND this year. Doing a great job for the other 17 clubs, long may he keep drawing a pay cheque at the Dons.

Any video of the “texta throw” ?
Would sit nicely alongside the Mosi “fist pump” …

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Personally I rate Dodo's efforts well ahead of Silvagni's, considering degree of difficulty/advantage faced by both.

 

[gbatman]

You can rebuild a list in about 7 or 8 years. Rebuilding culture is far more difficult and takes twice as long to rebuild. I am not sure what's wrong with Essendon but they mirror Carlton is a lot of ways and Carlton's biggest issue over the last 20 years has been culture. That all came about from a combination of poor list management and being gutted by the salary cap scandal. Essendon have gone through a similar thing so it's probably an issue as well.

I don't think Dodoro is terrible from an outsider looking in. He's made some mistakes, the Danaher fiasco being one of them. His rebuild strategy could well be questioned but time will tell whether that's worked or not.