Autopsy AFL 2023 Round 5 Gather Round - Pies v Saints Sun April 16th 4:50pm AEST (AO)

[Robroy22]

No offence to them, they’re a terrific team, with a great and deep midfield, but they’d have to have one of the least scary forward lines in the comp. Those 3 you mentioned have kicked 3, 9 and 4 goals respectively for the year.

So between the 3 of them they’re averaging 5.3 goals a game. Even Zaine Cordy has kicked more goals than McStay, and he’s IMO clearly the weak-link in our team.

Ash Johnson is averaging a goal a game, while Hill has kicked 7 from 4.

They look to be their 5 main “forwards” and between the 5 of them, they’re averaging 6.75 goals a game. Despite playing in a forward line where the ball is moving in there fast and often.

Mihochek is the most dangerous of them on recent form and Wilkie is as good an option for him as anyone in the comp.

And yet that least scary forward line has helped us to kick the second highest score in the league this season against 3 of last seasons finalists....
I agree your backs will work hard (it is a Lyon gameplan after all) but surely our no name forwards deserve even a modicum of respect?
In fact I'd say one of the reasons that the Saints have been so successful in 2023 is because they're playing a similar "no name forward line" where everybody works for everybody else rather than simply relying on King and Membry as they have in recent years.

 

[Jim Levenstein]

So then if Pies win, you winning is enjoying a Pies victory whilst being $100 lighter?

I will never indulge in this concept either, strange way to enjoy the footy.

 

[Jim Levenstein]

Last time we played the Pies Lipinski was BOG. I believe his omission is being overlooked. Both teams have some significant outs. Steele is a massive out for the Saints. It’s going to be a very hard fought game IMO.

I suspect it will come down to how well the Saints defensive press holds up verse the Pies ability to get through the press without turning it over.

The Saints game is built on turnovers, Pies seem to heavily rely on getting through the press and running ahead of play - which could be very dangerous. High risk reward especially against the Saints who have proven to pressure the ball carrier like no other team thus far.

Like many have mentioned, how the ground holds up will play a big part. I think a boggy wet ground favours pies with Steele out of saints lineup.

 

[CaptainHowdy87]

St Kilda by 50 points

No ruck will be Collingwood's undoing, they should not have traded Grundy!!!

So we should've held onto a 900k a year player as a backup?

Grundy was healed up by finals last year and couldn't get back in the side because of how well Cameron and Cox were doing in the ruck and around the ground.

 

[Xtreme]

So we should've held onto a 900k a year player as a backup?

Grundy is the best ruck in the competition and the key reason why Melbourne will win the 2023 flag!!

 

[projectv]

I will never get tired of how cute it is seeing Saints fans talking about their club like they are at all relevant.

Pies by 50. It will not be close.

Likewise I will never get tired of watching neutrals melt when we're doing well.

Hope you enjoy the game.

 

[triggering bro]

Like many have mentioned, how the ground holds up will play a big part. I think a boggy wet ground favours pies with Steele out of saints lineup.

Steele out is massive. The boggy wet ground may bring Saints small forwards into the game though. Saints are ranked second last for efficiency inside 50 which to the eye is due to constantly getting out marked in their forward line. A wet ball munged inside 50 to Higgins, Butler, etc could provide dividends.

 

[CrowToon]

Likewise I will never get tired of watching neutrals melt when we're doing well.

Hope you enjoy the game.

Ah yes, the ol' once a decade fling with being decent.

 

[mr bagcroft]

Ah yes, the ol' once a decade fling with being decent.

lol blow in supporter tries to flex.
Relevancy = 0.00

 

[#23 Hill]

Surely collingwood have the home ground advantage here. Just as many toothless bogans in Adelaide it will feel like a home game.

You barrack for a team based in Queensland.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I agree with McStay but I also think you miss how dangerous Elliot is when he gets going.
I would probably put Elliot as their most damaging forward and the match up is a hard one for us, who do we go with if Wilkie is on Mihochek because I don't think Battle is quite good enough to nullify Elliot.

I would have thought Paton is our most ideal option for Elliott, with Webster out. Has the speed required and at 187cm is almost half-a-foot taller than him, plus he has an excellent leap, so ought to be competitive in the air. I do realise that Elliott is very capable and dangerous though. Just hasn’t hit the scoreboard so far this year. Perhaps he will this week.

 

[MickG88]

have you watched him play lately? Game has gone past him.

Grundy is the best ruck in the competition and the key reason why Melbourne will win the 2023 flag!!

 

[Xtreme]

have you watched him play lately? Game has gone past him.

He's just staying cherry ripe for September

 

[aussierulesrules]

have you watched him play lately? Game has gone past him.

He’s gotten 6 coaches votes in each of their last two games. Looks to be getting right back to his best.

 

[Veer Right]

have you watched him play lately? Game has gone past him.

Have you?

I am one of his biggest detractors but his last two games have been sensational. Back to his pre contract at the pies best.

 

[MickG88]

Have you?

I am one of his biggest detractors but his last two games have been sensational. Back to his pre contract at the pies best.

Against Bailey Williams and Peter Ladhams, VFL level ruckman at best.
When up against Oscar McInerney, he was putrid. Big test this week against Draper.

 

[aj1992]

You barrack for a team based in Queensland.

And you barrack for a team with more boot laces then teeth.

 

[#23 Hill]

And you barrack for a team with more boot laces then teeth.

Ok, Goober.

 

[projectv]

And you barrack for a team with more boot laces then teeth.

Amazing contribution to the discourse.

GAGF.

 

[timokane]

FB: Murphy Frampton Quaynor
CB: Noble Moore N Daicos
C: J Daicos Pendles WHE
CF: Adams McStay Hill
FF: Elliott Checkers Ginny
R: Johnson Mitchell JDG
INT: McCreery Side Bianco ?
Sub: Ed Allan
Not too sure on that last spot on int.
Was thinking of Will Kelly

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Will Kelly

Age

24

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

5.0

1star

K

4.0

2star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

0.0

1star

MG

108.0

2star

D

5.0

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

1.0

1star

M

2.0

2star

T

0.0

1star

MG

108.0

2star

D

5.0

1star

K

4.0

2star

HB

1.0

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

MG

108.0

2star

or carmicheal.
Johnson to do most of the rucking and as back up maybe kelly or frampton

 

[projectv]

Is Ginnivan going to play or not? I keep hearing different stories.

 

[timokane]

I think he is going to play on and off the bench and pinch hit in the forward line

 

[timokane]

be a close match but pies to be too good at the end they need to organise them selves and if they do and start to click then its pies by say 3 goals

 

[westie]

I can't help thinking that the pressure is now on Collingwood!

 

[Plugger35]

Is Ginnivan going to play or not? I keep hearing different stories.

He might be playing in the ruck for them, he could sit on a teammate's shoulders.

I can't help thinking that the pressure is now on Collingwood!

They have more to lose than us, if they lose their premiership favourites tag takes a big hit but if we lose it doesn't mean much as most people expect it